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Apple's Revamped Mac Pro to Launch in 2019
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I don't think I'm the first to notice this, but the lengthy development time they've given the project might in part be owing to the fact that they want their eGPU support up to a certain point before launching anyway. Perhaps they'd even go so far as to create a first-party GPU module that can also be plugged into iMac/iMac Pros. It's out-of-the-box, sure, but they're obviously working on something pretty exotic or it wouldn't be taking them 2+ years.
I'd tentatively expect NVIDIA support by then too.
I'd tentatively expect NVIDIA support by then too.
I think they meant something else. They threw out the words "fiscal reasoning" as one of the reasons why they wanted to be so upfront about the timeline for the product so that companies that are making upgrade decisions can make the appropriate one knowing that they would be hanging on for another year if they were desperate for an upgrade. It would be the worst PR ever if they said that because they were admitting that they wanted to delay the release to make more money on iMac Pros... which could be true to some extent, but nobody would ever say it on the record.
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Especially if eGPU support expands and improves. If someone needs a little extra juice for some more demanding pixels, you can augment their setup and move it around to other people if it's not a permanent need.
Not sure if you are serious. Have you seen Apple’s recent “pro” offerings? Benchmarks show how the iMac Pro, for example, will thermally throttle before it even attempts to spin up fans. The trash can Mac Pro has no standard ports, slots, or room for expansion. This more than anything else killed the Mac Pro. MacBook Pro has compromised performance for the sake of “thin”.
Don’t think I am just some anti-Apple poster. I like Apple but their product lines clearly demonstrate a lack of clarity. There was once a clear distinction in product lines where consumer products (MacBook, iMac) and prosumer (Mac Pro, MacBook Pro) segments were designed (and priced) to match their purpose. It seems like too many tonerheads were responsible for decision making and every computing product has suffered... what we now have are more fashion accessories than serious computers.
Off course, no Apple rep with such attitude lol. I'm just summarized some desperate hopeless guys hoping next Mac Pro would be better.
Also, those tall tale is taken from true experience, just described in horrendous way.
By happy they do anything at all. I suspect Apple power user community is so small they will not be able to sustain the cost of development of the Mac Pro line. The 17 inch laptop was axed, probably because it did not pay itself. Mac pro is likely in the same position.
A professional work flow team is an excellent idea but will not necessarily cater for the enthusiasts, the odd scientist and one man/woman businesses. They may though influence that NVIDIA GPUs is a configurable choice.
"Modular per definition" probably means no user accessible slots.
A professional work flow team is an excellent idea but will not necessarily cater for the enthusiasts, the odd scientist and one man/woman businesses. They may though influence that NVIDIA GPUs is a configurable choice.
"Modular per definition" probably means no user accessible slots.
To be honest i'm really confused.Away from Intel in 2020,Mac Pro in 2019,Mini..?,Ipad pro as a real computer,Project Marzipan,no quad cores in the 13 but an Air still between Macbook and Pro.I want to make an investement but with all those rumors and lacklustin' line up i can't understand.I'm swinging between waiting for a never coming Mac Book pro 13-quad and a refurbished Macbook Pro 15 quad with thunderbolt 3.
I don't make a bucket load of money from my Mac Pro, I make enough to keep me ticking over and buy a new computer ever 7 or so years. I have been at the point of needing a replacement for a few years. I normally buy the recommended config for the workstations. Did that with my previous G4 and the last Mac Pro. Sadly with what Apple currently offers that option is no longer there.
Whilst the I would jump at the chance to buy a new tower built Mac Pro from them, I don't think i'll be able to keep my 08 Mac Pro alive until the end of 2019 (likey). I don't really want to have to start looking for Windows version of the older software I use.
It's a shame but I have a feeling 2018/19 is the time frame our household moves away completely from Apple. The iPods are a complete joke for the storage they offer, need a new one but canot justify £200 for 32GB.
Whilst the I would jump at the chance to buy a new tower built Mac Pro from them, I don't think i'll be able to keep my 08 Mac Pro alive until the end of 2019 (likey). I don't really want to have to start looking for Windows version of the older software I use.
It's a shame but I have a feeling 2018/19 is the time frame our household moves away completely from Apple. The iPods are a complete joke for the storage they offer, need a new one but canot justify £200 for 32GB.
WHAT A JOKE !
so apple will do it again. like in 2013 they will suprise us with an abomination of a computer, that will not follow any industry standard, will be expensive, outdated after 1 yr, not be upgradeable on your own and forgotten by apple 1 week after its release.
what we need is a simple tower with single/dual xeon configs, supporting standard components (memory, drives and gpus). we do not need a special consulting pro-team @ apple. we just need a damn standard computer with a nice case, as we had it perfectly in 2012 where a mac pro was upgradeable with standard non-apple-memory at market price, you could insert a standard nvida gpu and about 6 standard drives. its not rocket science. every technology is there, they just have to build a box. also eGPU is standard by now, and nothing has to be invented. all this stuff works if you buy a modern windows pc and we just want the same with macos running on it. it is as simple as that. but no, apple thinks we want something else.
i'm really to old to go on with that b$, they produce in that bagel in california.
sorry apple, big time fail in strategy. you just dont get it what pros need.
im off to windows for my next CG computer.
so apple will do it again. like in 2013 they will suprise us with an abomination of a computer, that will not follow any industry standard, will be expensive, outdated after 1 yr, not be upgradeable on your own and forgotten by apple 1 week after its release.
what we need is a simple tower with single/dual xeon configs, supporting standard components (memory, drives and gpus). we do not need a special consulting pro-team @ apple. we just need a damn standard computer with a nice case, as we had it perfectly in 2012 where a mac pro was upgradeable with standard non-apple-memory at market price, you could insert a standard nvida gpu and about 6 standard drives. its not rocket science. every technology is there, they just have to build a box. also eGPU is standard by now, and nothing has to be invented. all this stuff works if you buy a modern windows pc and we just want the same with macos running on it. it is as simple as that. but no, apple thinks we want something else.
i'm really to old to go on with that b$, they produce in that bagel in california.
sorry apple, big time fail in strategy. you just dont get it what pros need.
im off to windows for my next CG computer.
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Maybe it will the first ARM chip equipped... who knows?
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ARM is very unlikely, since this machine requires alot of performance. Even if they were able to create a CPU with the power of current Intel Tech, alot of programs will have to be emulated at first, slowing them down alot.
ARM will most likely start in the Macbook (not Pro) and Mac Mini at first.
ARM will most likely start in the Macbook (not Pro) and Mac Mini at first.
that was the time when we had a real mac pro.
until 2012 one computer line was serving for purposes of a nowadays lowrange imac to maxed out mac pro.
that was modular and everybody was totally happy.
except apple.
Yeah, well, that's made sense for over a decade at this point and Apple has avoided it like the plague for fear of cannibalizing the outdated all-in-one iMac concept, something that should have been put to rest ages ago. I don't see why they would have a sudden change of heart so I doubt it. I'd love to be wrong about that, BTW, but I wouldn't bet on it.
The problem is that those two affirmations are contradictory, because it’s not that “it’s all about the money”, but “it’s all about the money from teens and from facebook fans and from storing the user data”. They mistakenly believe the Mac Pro belongs to that same market, but that’s false. We’re not teens, we prefer to avoid facebook, and we prefer to have our data private and stored in our local drives. So, we’re not going to find any coolness in proprietary modules, we’re not teens going to our parents asking for a new module for our birthday. Whatever people are in charge of the new Mac Pro design, are very wrong, and yes, it will cost them three years to arrive to a new design with will fail in the market as badly as the MacCylinder.
I think thats pretty much the accepted story isn't it? Didn't Apple concede as much last year?
I think it's pretty likely late in 2016 they had already decided to cancel the trashcan and the iMac Pro was half finished. Then the MBP 2016 launch happened and Apple got the most severe bloody nose in recent memory. That launch reception was brutal (and congrats to all who piled on btw), and left Schiller and co looking at the iMac Pro art piece on Jony's desk, and thinking, 'we're going to get literally murdered for this.' Then they announced the iMac Pro with the most awkward, embarrassed, apologetic non-launch I've ever seen. We've got this, sorta Pro thing, but there's something else coming along real soon, promise.'
Now it's equally obvious the iMac Pro isn't selling either, and they're trying to unfumble that launch and make out their 'Pro' strategy is more about 'workflows' than any one specific bit of (absurdly late) hardware. I'm not buying that. They had years to get their graphics drivers right. Its almost insulting to see their marketing team boast about solving a workflow issue by discovering that <gasp> there was a bug in the graphics drivers! Yes, we know there's bugs in your drivers - our software vendors have been telling you that for years, including that very one you're boasting about. (I'm going to take a guess that the slow-opening window in a 3D app is Maya's Hypershade which has been notoriously slow for 10 years)
I don't think anyone has remarked upon it here, but the trashcan Mac Pro was launched with a demo of VFX software Mari 2. Mari was originally developed on OSX, and originally launched on Linux on OSX. Last year Mari 4 launched on Windows and Linux. The Mac version 'needs more time' and still isn't shipping.
Why cant they just make a very configurable Mac, and super powerful, even with design of it fitting in the 4U Rack?
Apart from Rack usage that could decide on form factor. Most of it is just pure hardware performance. The Pros needs that, and they know exactly what they want, very much the opposite end of consumer markets.
By 2019, they could have an iMac Pro that double the performance, memory of the current iMac Pro. It sort of fits even 90% of the "Pro" use cases.
Apart from Rack usage that could decide on form factor. Most of it is just pure hardware performance. The Pros needs that, and they know exactly what they want, very much the opposite end of consumer markets.
By 2019, they could have an iMac Pro that double the performance, memory of the current iMac Pro. It sort of fits even 90% of the "Pro" use cases.
Hardware engineering at Apple and Mac Pro, high performance display (and Mac Mini):
A snail with broken legs arguing about the best tactics for selling then new iMac Pro and to simulate working hard on pending tasks and talking a lot of air
Mac Pro 2013 was a mental and physical desaster initiated by Jony Ive who should better care of designing iPhones and AirPods - same wrong he did with Mac Book and Mac Book Pro - dear Mr. Cook, please let him retire a.s.a.p.! Thanks
A snail with broken legs arguing about the best tactics for selling then new iMac Pro and to simulate working hard on pending tasks and talking a lot of air
Mac Pro 2013 was a mental and physical desaster initiated by Jony Ive who should better care of designing iPhones and AirPods - same wrong he did with Mac Book and Mac Book Pro - dear Mr. Cook, please let him retire a.s.a.p.! Thanks
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The problem Apple gave itself is you want to keep the product on the shelf for sale, but if you bring pricing down, that means the replacement will cost an awful lot more. People would be screaming at how much the price increased. So I think they painted themselves into a corner with pricing on old hardware when they should have made at least an half azzed attempt at keeping the product fresh.
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Just bring back the old Mac Pro Tower in a nice space grey to match the iMac Pro and make it super easy to switch internals. That's all we want.
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See your problem there is that you're not a millennial asking for watch straps and TV shows.
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See your problem there is that you're not a millennial asking for watch straps and TV shows.
So it took them 7 years from the last Tower in 2006 to the trashcan in 2013. And now another 6 until the next one. "Our pro customers are very important to us". Yeah right.
I'd put money on the new Mac Pro not being the computer that people are waiting for.
Well, it looks like Apple is making a problem out of things, that was not a problem before.
Reinventing hot water again?