It's going to take the richest company on the planet two years to come up with a new tower?
That's . . . pathetic.
That's . . . pathetic.
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Apple's Revamped Mac Pro to Launch in 2019
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All of their best people are working on the next iPhone. There is only so much the janitor and night guard can do. They are charged not only with a MP, but also a mini, airport, and display. All that but the VR headset comes first.
Exactly, only that this is also the exact reason I believe they simply won't come up with a tower. If they wanted to do that, we already would have it now or soon. I guess they will try to reinvent the wheel again, because they think they invented it the wrong way the last time. Now that's pathetic!
Actually, one could say that the 6,1 already was a reinvention of the reinvention, because such a type of machine existed before, albeit with a different target audience. This machine had the same problems in many ways: for example technically, especially when it came to thermals.
Guess what that machine was
I’m curious about your thinking. I’m genuinely not trying to be a smart ass here. You have a cheesegrater that you’ve obviously had for a number of years, 6-8? Now you’re considering an iMac pro but do you think it’ll last you anywhere near as long as your cheesegrater? If not then why would you even consider it? Especially considering the price point.
I understand spending upwards of 10K for a machine that will last close to 10 years, even 8. But to spend say, 7K and 4-5 years from now another 7K just doesn’t make sense to me.
Like I already said, I’m not trying to be a jerk or a troll. I’m just trying to understand why you consider an AIO computer in a professional environment. No matter what might go wrong with it you lose the entire computer for however long it takes to fix it. That down time is money lost, no?
Still annoyed after all these years that they made the SSD slot in the mid-2014 MacBook Pro some proprietary nonsense instead of a standard M.2. That was a pure money grab.
It's disappointing for me merely because I'm an Apple fan. I have zero need for a Mac Pro and I would never buy one. My iMac and MBP are overkill for what I do as is.
However; for those that do need the power to make a living---haven't those folks moved on? Is there anyone still truly holding out for the next Mac Pro?
Because Apple wouldn't be Apple if they did precisely that.
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The user base who wants an updated Mac Pro is likely more the minority (albeit a very vocal one) than the norm. But I have no idea what Apple is thinking here. On one hand, they were reluctant to update the Mac Pro (and likely designed the iMac Pro as a stopgap measure), yet they now seem willing to spare no expense to redesign the next-gen Mac Pro even when it's clear this is a very low-volume product.
Even when Jobs was CEO of Pixar, they were buying Dell boxes for 3D modeling and animation, running Linux.
Jobs could only persuade them to use Macs for video editing.
Curious to see what Pixar will make of the new machine.
Jobs could only persuade them to use Macs for video editing.
Curious to see what Pixar will make of the new machine.
no problem apple we all know that by the time that new mac pro is out, the iPhone line is going to be around iPhone 11 S plus, right, who cares for the Mac Pro, well I do, I got news for you there are people out there that still like desktop or simply don't like mobile devices that much. the only real and original PRO the Mac Pro shortly after that, the name Pro became a joke, naming everything Pro just for hype when we all know that is far from being Pro. make justice to the name and stop the madness.
Apple has also been hiring award-winning artists and technicians in an effort to understand the real workflows that creative professionals use to better tailor its products to them. The individuals shoot real projects and then use Apple's hardware and software to find "sticking points that could cause frustration and friction" for pro users.
But I thought it was the Mac user's job and the industry's job to conform to Apple's designs. Since when do the builders tell the tool makers how their tools should work?
Apple is not like Microsoft that has large teams or departments on each part or product line of their company (like having companies within a company). Apple said they moved the team to focus on other things like the iphone, the new iMac Pro, probably the recent MacBook etc. therefore they left the Mac Pro outside in the cold after they found the thermo ceiling issue with the design. It probably required a major redesign, so they probably did not Have the time to do it and work on updating their other products.
WE had to accept it if we wanted to stay with Apple. The Mac Pro 2013 is a nice machine for what it does and I use it for video editing. I bought it two years ago and it was way over priced for the older technology in the can, (even at that time) before they reduce the price by $1,000 shortly after....but....it is a nice machine and does what I need it to do.
The good thing about it is that if they discontinue it in 2019, it should “by the book” not go obsolescent until 2025. That would make it the longest running Apple product not obsolete if memory serves me well. Not sure that would happen and hope to use it for another 7 years.
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We should be happy about this, but it shows that Apple lost touch some on the needs of their customers. Again, I like the current Mac Pro if it was able to be updated, even if we could have Apple upgrade it for us, like upgrade the graphic cards and CPU, SSD etc. (I would pay), but overall it did not suit the majority of Pro users.
Now..Apple has to listen since they lost (it seems) a lot of pro customers if they want them back.
I find it's a little bit of both.
Apple tries to predict what the user needs and builds a product optimised around delivering that need. If your need just so happens to be in line with how Apple opts to implement that workflow, it's awesome (like the new screenshotting feature in iOS 11, which I use multiple times a day). But if it's the direct opposite, it's like trying to jog through quicksand and just results in more frustration and inconvenience for the end user.
So in a sense, Apple isn't entirely blind to the needs of their users. They just have funny ways of implementing their solutions sometimes.
Or, Tim Cook's platitudes about pro customers are just market-speak, and they simply don't give a flip anymore about non-iOS products. Not very funny to people who make real-world business decisions.
You can't build a long-term business plan that stakes your customer base on the assumption that you'll have a Mac/iMac/iPod/iPhone-scale revolution every 2 years, especially if you don't have any clear picture of what the next big idea is going to be.
2007 in an alternate universe. Steve Jobs takes the stage holding a small black slab:
Hey guys, you may be wondering why we haven't updated the iPod or Mac for three years - well, we've been working on this new thing called iPhone - it will do everything your old iPod would, plus its a phone, all for only $600 plus a $100/month contract with AT&T - what? no no, that's the only carrier its available on - and you'll get - what? 3G? No, not yet - you non-USA guys will have to stick with iPods... what's that you say? The iPod was discontinued in the EU because we didn't implement the latest headphone volume regs? Well, that's just us being courageous - we have great stuff for you in the pipeline - meanwhile, with the new iPhone you can browse... Eh? Third party Apps? Hmm, no, they would wreck the seamless experience - you can run web apps... Flash? No, because that would.. Java? No, listen, you can run webapps written in Javascript/HTML... yes, I know nobody is writing those yet - who let you in here? Look matey, see those guys in the black polo-neck Apple-logo sweaters over there waving wads of $50 bills shouting "shut up and take my money"? This is for them. Shove off and buy a Walkman.
Of course, back in the real world, the iPhone went on to be a wild success despite all of those real flaws with the first iteration, which were mopped up in later generations, and did go on to pretty much kill the iPod (if Apple hadn't done that, Nokia, Blackberry or Sony would have, eventually). However, Apple didn't let their iPod and Mac business wither to obsolescence before the iPhone was launched, let alone established: they kept on updating Macs and iPods, even producing the iPod touch as a "bridge" between iPad and iPhone. Nobody was forced to be an early adopter of the iPhone, which, bereft of hindsight, could easily have been a failure.
Apple have let the powerful/expandable headless Mac (which was part of their range until ~2010) die before they had a viable replacement. They've also let the MacBook Pro slide further towards portability at the expense of flexibility. The Mac Mini is a joke (...it was the original PPC Mini that persuaded me to switch back to Mac & eventually buy other Macs). They can't afford to take risks with exotic MacPro ideas until they have plugged the "powerful/expandable headless Mac" hole in the lineup.
Now, maybe Apple's main business is now the iPhone (hence the iPhone 8 for those who don't want an X - although the 8 is still expensive, and if you want a smaller/cheaper phone with a headphone jack you're stuck with 2-3 year old designs) and the Mac can be gambled with... Still not good news for Mac users - and, probably, the mistake was made in 2010 when they lost interest in the cMP and is too far gone to fix.
The fact that they are spending so much time on this tells me they are going to screw it up. It will be a larger trash can or have some ridiculous touchbar gimmick on it. What we need is simple. Give us a large box where we can add hard drives and attach peripherals. Silver, space grey? Doesn't matter. I'm really afraid they are going to use this to launch their own processors like we've been hearing about. Whatever it is, I just have a bad feeling about it.
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Lets see if I have the gist of this thread so far
We were mad at Apple for making the Trash Can non upgradeable
We are mad and accused them of ignoring the Pro User base.
We are mad because Apple is highly successful and profitable with the iPhone
We are mad when Apple makes only quick sight spec improvements to Mac Pro .
We are mad that Apple is taking too long to make significant improvements to Mack Pro.
We are mad because Apple claims it is now listening even more to the Pro user community
We are mad and accuse Apple of this Pro user team being a PR ploy.
And if we are not mad about all of this and completely suspicious of everything Apple is doing, then we are apologists or fanboys
Did I miss anything ?
We were mad at Apple for making the Trash Can non upgradeable
We are mad and accused them of ignoring the Pro User base.
We are mad because Apple is highly successful and profitable with the iPhone
We are mad when Apple makes only quick sight spec improvements to Mac Pro .
We are mad that Apple is taking too long to make significant improvements to Mack Pro.
We are mad because Apple claims it is now listening even more to the Pro user community
We are mad and accuse Apple of this Pro user team being a PR ploy.
And if we are not mad about all of this and completely suspicious of everything Apple is doing, then we are apologists or fanboys
Did I miss anything ?
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The Trash Can is upgradable. You can upgrade RAM, SSD and even the CPU. You can't however upgrade the GPU a lot.
If Apple used regular blade SSDs and provide the Trash Can with TB3 for external GPU support, it would be very much upgradable to infinity
If Apple used regular blade SSDs and provide the Trash Can with TB3 for external GPU support, it would be very much upgradable to infinity
I think people forget that if a desktop comes out people will stop buying the iMac. Only reason people buy an iMac is because there is nothing faster on the market and have no choice. In a sense there it's not in apples best interest to put out a desktop because it will last long and you won't bother to buy another for a long time. Case in point, the Mac towers still being used today and working for over 10 years.
They want you to upgrade every 2 years just like their iPhones.
It's not rocket science to develop a desktop since they don't have to work about size constraints or heat issues, they are full of it....shame on apple monopoly.
They want you to upgrade every 2 years just like their iPhones.
It's not rocket science to develop a desktop since they don't have to work about size constraints or heat issues, they are full of it....shame on apple monopoly.
It's a message board for a very passionate user base, with mow many members? Thousands? Shouldn't be surprising.
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Who is going to stop buying iMac?
Content creators?
We'd all be fascinated to learn the source of your data for that assertion.
A Mac Pro will almost certainly cost more than any standard iMac (non iMP), and Apple would probably prefer to sell you a $4k MP that is easier to ship, easier to service, presumably more reliable, and so on.
Unfortunately, it (Apple) has all but admitted it didn't listen to what its customers for such a machine needed, and, hence, their credibility and goodwill in that space is non-existent. That's a completely self-inflicted wound, and it has given zero evidence to show it understands that part if the market any longer.
Price out a HP Z, for example, with 24 cores, and compare that to the Apple equivalent. Oh, wait - you can't. Because there isn't one.
RAM - yes, SSD - very limited, CPU - limited choice and bye bye warranty/support plan (something many Pro users who start losing $/hour if their computer goes down).
Anyway, the "pro" market is less worried about mid-life upgrades but does want a good choice of CPU/GPU when they buy, and something with up-to-date CPU/GPUs when the their upgrade cycle comes around 3-4 years later.
...but they'll be buying the desktop instead, and maybe a MacBook Pro for those places the desktop can't reach, and ordering an iMac for their assistant who doesn't need such a high-end system, and buying their software and peripherals from Apple or Mac specialist suppliers...
However, if they switch to PC because (e.g.) they need a better choice of GPU then they'll probably switch their workflow to PC so they definitely won't be buying an iMac for themselves or for their assistant, nor a MacBook for the road, nor will they be buying software and peripherals from Apple or specialist Mac suppliers (who will then have less incentive to support Mac) or recommending Mac to their friends and family, nagging their employers to support Macs in the workplace...
10 years ago, desktop/under-desk towers were still the go-to computer for the majority of users, so the so-called xMac probably would have cannibalised laptop and iMac sales - then. Now, the majority of people want laptops or all-in-ones: the Mac Pro would be there to stop the strategically important minority who needed the extra flexibility defecting to PC.
If people want iMacs, they'll buy iMacs: they're nice machines and are pretty good value for money if your list of requirements includes a 5k glossy "prosumer" 27" display with an OK-ish GPU.
They had the cheesegrater and its predecessors - and the Mac Mini - in their line-up alongside iMacs for years without problem.
The sort of fancy small-form-factor Tesla X that Apple are probably hatching would be more likely to divert iMac/iMac Pro sales than the boring old resurrected Cheesegrater pick-up truck (that would be very quick, cheap and easy to develop) needed to keep pros, enthusiasts and power-users on the platform.
This exactly!
I just love Apple products and I can't do anything about it. I love the crew, I love the keynotes, I love the core group and I love the marketing department. Its kind of my family. And look at that campus in cupertino. That stuff is expensive, but at the same time I have not been disappointed with any product ever. My 5.1 lasts and performs great. Even my iPod 1st gen from 2007 is still great.That stuff just works and works and works. For everyone that can't understand it I recommend to buy Steve Jobs book and watch his speech at the university. If there is anything left of values in this world, it is Steve Jobs and his heritage.
I just can't buy china plastic stuff without a soul, I just can't, no matter the lower price tag.