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Love all these "it will do X" comments. Yeah, no... NONE of you know what it will do, won't do, or what it'll look like. Stop pretending to have info, you're members of the public like we all are, YOU DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING.

You might be surprised.
 
Of course i'm not. If you cannot ship a product to people who speak Mandarin, Cantonese and Spanish your prospects are not good. Let alone not supporting German and French.

I'm not saying the Echo is going to die it's just that in 2 years this AI battle will be between Apple and Google.

Nonsense. Multi language support means nothing to the end user if the product is garbage. When an English speaking user attempts to use Siri and gets a poor result they don't think "Oh well at least Siri is available in Cantonese". All you are left with is a poor product that is available in multiple languages.

As I've already mentioned in post #239 their HomeKit developer platform is a mess also.
 
I know what caused this to be announced. A couple weeks ago, I invested in five Echo devices, having given up on waiting for Apple to introduce such a device. This same thing happened with the Apple Watch. Years of rumors but I take the plunge and get a Pebble, sure enough, the announcement is made. All I can say, is "You're welcome."

Can we please get you to buy an all-in-one PC so we can finally get some new iMacs?
 
Half thinking that there might be a range of HomeKit devices. Perhaps coupled with Workflow, Apple could offer something much more customisable and powerful than the current products on offer.
 
Nonsense. Multi language support means nothing to the end user if the product is garbage. When an English speaking user attempts to use Siri and gets a poor result they don't think "Oh well at least Siri is available in Cantonese". All you are left with is a poor product that is available in multiple languages.

As I've already mentioned in post #239 their HomeKit developer platform is a mess also.


Apple has acquired 3 companies that use Machine Learning. They're very serious about delivering AI products. As an English speaker I can be ignorant of the needs of others across the globe but the reality is even with poor recognition the fact that an iPhone understands 18 languages is huge. All the sales that Amazon has clawed up to will be matched and usurped shortly by Apple based on global coverage.

This market isn't big enough for 3 big players. I'll reserve judgement on HomeKit until after WWDC. I'm not worried about its future but a nice evolutionary jump will be nice.
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Half thinking that there might be a range of HomeKit devices. Perhaps coupled with Workflow, Apple could offer something much more customisable and powerful than the current products on offer.

The Workflow acquisition is really intriguing
 
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Apple has acquired 3 companies that use Machine Learning. They're very serious about delivering AI products. As an English speaker I can be ignorant of the needs of others across the globe but the reality is even with poor recognition the fact that an iPhone understands 18 languages is huge. All the sales that Amazon has clawed up to will be matched and usurped shortly by Apple based on global coverage.

This market isn't big enough for 3 big players. I'll reserve judgement on HomeKit until after WWDC. I'm not worried about its future but a nice evolutionary jump will be nice.

Three years and we've seen an app for the iPad. Can't wait.
 
Are you telling me there are people out there in the market for such a device but they're looking down their noses at the Echo and Google Home thinking "I wouldn't sully my home with one of those monstrosities".

In this case I think it is talking about the built-in audio. I have an Echo and the built-in audio, although just fine for voice responses, is pretty poor for listening to music.
 
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I am not trying to troll but this seems kind of silly to me because I can just say "hey Siri" and my phone will come to life and answer what I need. I don't know why this would make any sense at all. If someone could explain why this would be different from "hey Siri" on an iPhone, I might change my mind.

I don't understand it all either, and I don't believe in this product category. I'm surprised to find that Apple does (allegedly) believe in this category. I have to believe they have a different angle in mind - like it does something else that would convince someone like me that this product should even exist.

I'm not going to yell across the room (or the house) for a device in a corner to do something for me. I have an iPhone and an Apple Watch....

It makes sense to me. I don't have an echo or google home, but from what I've heard the real killer aspect of it is just speaking into the air. The multidirectional microphones are supposed to be pretty good. An iPhone is usually tucked away in the pocket, an apple watch needs to still be raised and can be disruptive to your flow. Neither of them provides a good speaker.
 
LOL They probably had to repeat every Siri question and now conclude every outcome of a y/n has 50% chance
 
Apple: leading from behind under the leadership of Tim Cook. If all you care about is profits and stock price, then Apple has never been better.

Spot on. Tim is doing a great job in that regards.
 
Yes, we all know Apple prices their products at just the right price so they can barely show a profit...oh, wait...

What "for profit" company would use a strategy like that? They make the majority (by far) of the profit in mobile and are the most highly valued company in the world on the market today. Seems like they're doing exactly what they should be doing... If their products were too expensive, people wouldn't buy them - and I'm sure there are many who make exactly that choice for that reason. Somehow they're muddling by with sales to the remainder of their customers.
 
Every single year there's a rumour about hardware releases at WWDC and every single year they're wrong. When will they not get it through their skulls that it's for SOFTWARE not hardware.
 
First, I hope they learned from Amazon's Echo and provide a full on Echo equivalent as well as an Echo Dot equivalent. I don't need a standalone speaker to play my music.

Second, I hope they also release updates to improve Siri - both accuracy and an understanding of context.
 
I am not trying to troll but this seems kind of silly to me because I can just say "hey Siri" and my phone will come to life and answer what I need. I don't know why this would make any sense at all. If someone could explain why this would be different from "hey Siri" on an iPhone, I might change my mind.

Your phone is not speaker like Google or Amazon. Apple needs you to buy another product when they could have integrated to Apple TV.
 
Apple, just stick to making ****ing computers already.... geeeesh.

Voice commands is the future of computers. This is critical. I already use the Echo for some things that I would otherwise use a computer, tablet or phone for. And Echo stinks. But just talking out loud from anywhere in the room without using my hands or reaching for a device is a KILLER app. I get my weather and news update nearly every morning from my Echo. Because I will trust Apple's privacy policies much more, Siri will be able to do much more for me.

And having better microphones will make Siri much more effective. Echo is very limited but what it does it does with a very satisfying success rate. The tech is so powerful and it will be so very powerful for the mainstream user because of its simplicity. These devices will be as big as the PC market in just a few years. They are that useful.
 
Echo is better. I've had 2 in my house for about 8 months now. It's definitely more useful than Hey Siri, especially if your hands are full with other things (think children). The music part of the echo is nice but we don't use it very much. We mostly use the echo for automation tasks, lists, and checking on random things. It's better than a party trick which is an unfair characterization.

Most likely the people you met who feel that way just don't have the same needs/expectations. If the echo (or future Siri unit) has voice print recognition to switch between accounts automatically it can be even more useful with integration into the ecosystem.

I'm sure everyone's experience/expectations are different. But it's not just me and my friends who found the Echo fairly useless... the web is littered with people who consider the Echo a gadget and/or an expensive alarm clock.

For hands-free home automation, setting reminders/timers, controlling music, Apple Watch is still the best way to go IMO. It does everything most Echo users use Echo for and a whole lot more.
 
I as thinking this as well. If they could somehow make this a router/hub/speaker combo, it MIGHT be worth looking into. Right now I just don't see the value.

Then it becomes super expensive and becomes a Toaster/Refrigerator combo. Buyers of this product already have good wifi in their homes. So why pay more? Many people already back up to the cloud. Other people just connect a cheap hard drive and backup. The folks who want to backup but haven't solved that issue and are willing to pay for a backup solution is a very small set of folks. Besides for this to work, you need this in multiple rooms in your house and at least one for each floor of your house. Do you need your data backed up on every floor of your house? Also you may not need a mesh wifi network on multiple levels. So there would be so much extra wasted parts to your suggestion.

However, everyone wants (once they've used it in their own home) a microphone that serves as a user interface for a computer. These devices will be as popular as smartphones in just a few years. Just right now folks don't "get it". Amazon got it right by selling the Dot at $50. These things are going to be everywhere very very quickly. And folks will trust Apple enough so they will buy it.

If you want one of these, pre-order it or expect many months of delays in getting one.
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I'm sure everyone's experience/expectations are different. But it's not just me and my friends who found the Echo fairly useless... the web is littered with people who consider the Echo a gadget and/or an expensive alarm clock.

For hands-free home automation, setting reminders/timers, controlling music, Apple Watch is still the best way to go IMO. It does everything most Echo users use Echo for and a whole lot more.

The other solutions are too difficult. Echo just works. I set my Mom up with an Echo Dot by just plugging it into her stereo system. She learned how to play music and the darn thing works pretty much like magic to her. Cost was $40. Amazon music is $5 a month or something like that which is basically not much different from free.

The folks who post on the web about tech are the upper 5% of tech sophistication. They have more diverse needs and the ability to use more interesting stuff. However they are not representative of the general consumer market. You and me pay attention to this stuff. But most people need a much much easier solution before they will incorporate tech into their life. Echo can do this and Apple with Siri can do it better. At least that is my guess.
 
I'd buy if it worked with home kit and Apple Music. I can't see why it wouldn't. Right now that is my only issue right now with amazon eco and google home they don't support Apple Music. Which isn't really their fault lol.
 
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