Apple's Subnotebook 'Delayed' Until Late 2007/Early 2008?

Erasmus · Apr 28, 2007

mlarkin said:
A rumor about a product with a rumored rollout date and a rumor that the rumored product won't meet the rumored rollout date and now its a 'fact' that the product is late.

MacRumors, you are clueless idiots. Cut the goddamn crap. Who the **** ever said the product was promised at any point in history.

And worse, the board is full of asswipes crying like babies that 'Apple is late again'.

Grow the **** up.

Oh my GOD, man. You're right! We really are just asswipe babies crying and complaining!!! Do you think we should be more like you, randomly insulting people? That's cool. You're my new hero, man.

So, did you enjoy the sarcasm???

Welcome back to MacRumours. If all you have to say is trollish attacks on members of this forum, perhaps you should leave? I'm sure your two posts won't be missed.

Oh well, at least you used proper spelling and punctuation to do your trolling, which most trolls don't bother with.

I WAS the one · Apr 28, 2007

ok ok , please tell me... what does Steve Jobs will be showing in June? just the iPhone release? c'mon! at first the Leopard was cancelled, then the thin Mac book release was cancelled, even the quad iMac "rumored" was cancelled.. what will Steve will show us in June deside the iPhone? anyone?

MacinDoc · Apr 28, 2007

I WAS the one said:
ok ok , please tell me... what does Steve Jobs will be showing in June? just the iPhone release? c'mon! at first the Leopard was cancelled, then the thin Mac book release was cancelled, even the quad iMac "rumored" was cancelled.. what will Steve will show us in June deside the iPhone? anyone?

No announced product has been cancelled. This is a rumor site, and a large of threads here are based on mere speculation. Leopard's release date has been postponed, but none of the other products ppl are complaining about (iLife, iWork, ultraportable, etc) have even been officially announced by Apple, as far as I know.

Erasmus · Apr 28, 2007

I WAS the one said:
ok ok , please tell me... what does Steve Jobs will be showing in June? just the iPhone release? c'mon! at first the Leopard was cancelled, then the thin Mac book release was cancelled, even the quad iMac "rumored" was cancelled.. what will Steve will show us in June deside the iPhone? anyone?

Leopard secret features, the new Santa Rosa Macbook Pro, iMac and Stoakley-Seaburg Mac Pro.

Plus iLife'08, and a few minutes on the release of the iPhone, and how well AppleTV, iPod and ITMS are going.

Rocketman · Apr 28, 2007

I WAS the one said:
ok ok , please tell me... what does Steve Jobs will be showing in June? just the iPhone release? c'mon! at first the Leopard was cancelled, then the thin Mac book release was cancelled, even the quad iMac "rumored" was cancelled.. what will Steve will show us in June deside the iPhone? anyone?

JPark · Apr 28, 2007

400-500 million???

That's 4-5x as many iPods as have ever been sold (including hard drive units). If there's any truth to that rumor, Apple must be working on something big--either the subnotebook or a flash based 6th Gen. iPod with Video.

mkrishnan · Apr 28, 2007

JPark said:
That's 4-5x as many iPods as have ever been sold (including hard drive units). If there's any truth to that rumor, Apple must be working on something big--either the subnotebook or a flash based 6th Gen. iPod with Video.

Note a 4GB product would have eight of these equivalents, and a 8GB one would have 16. Giga*BIT*.

DTphonehome · Apr 28, 2007

Peace said:
All these delays bring me to believe all new apple hardware is being optimized for Leopard.

Yeah, I agree. Maybe super hi-rez screens for the resolution independent OS, and hybrid HDs.

I would like an Apple subnote, but frankly, my MacBook's screen feels way too small for me, and I thought I would sell it for a 15" MBP when Leopard is out. This complicates things...if the subnote is amazing, I might want that (given a high enough screen rez).

JPark · Apr 28, 2007

mkrishnan said:
Note a 4GB product would have eight of these equivalents, and a 8GB one would have 16. Giga*BIT*.

Interesting. I read that and assumed the "Gb" was a typo. Is this how flash is sold for the existing line of iPods? Does a 4GB nano have 8 of these things in it?

Erasmus · Apr 28, 2007

JPark said:
Interesting. I read that and assumed the "Gb" was a typo. Is this how flash is sold for the existing line of iPods? Does a 4GB nano have 8 of these things in it?

Yes. For example, Ram and Hard Disks are marketed as Gigabytes (GB), while broadband internet and Ethernet are marketed as Gigabits (Gb). Gigabit is better used for low level physical amounts for hardware developers, because that's how many little switches it has, or how many zeros and ones are transferred per second, but gigabyte is better conceptually for computer storage comparison by consumers, because information is saved in bytes.

Well, at least that's what I think.

scrambledwonder · Apr 28, 2007

Rocketman said:
I have an "old" prediction in reply to that. So far so good BTW.

Warning, long . . .

https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=3389965&rocketman#post3389965

Next Generation Intel Platform (Santa Rosa) Tracking For May

Page 4 Post #86

Timing

I seem to have my ear to above average ground and many of my "predictions" have been pretty close.

So here we go . . . . .

iTV 3-07
https://www.macrumors.com/2007/02/26/apple-tv-delayed-until-march/
https://www.macrumors.com/2007/02/10/apple-tv-shipments-pushed-to-march/
https://www.macrumors.com/2007/03/05/itunes-7-1-apple-tv-support-and-quicktime-7-1-5/
https://www.macrumors.com/2007/03/12/apple-tv-orders-being-charged/
== CONFIRMED 2 of 12

iPhone 6-07
https://www.macrumors.com/2007/02/28/apple-coo-on-iphone/
https://www.macrumors.com/2007/01/21/xscale-arm-cpu-in-iphone/
https://www.macrumors.com/2007/01/1...-500mb-flash-vs-hard-drive-iwork-integration/
iMac Santa Rosa 6-07
https://www.macrumors.com/2007/02/25/next-generation-intel-platform-santa-rosa-tracking-for-may/
https://www.macrumors.com/2007/04/23/santa-rosa-shipping-next-month-may/
Mac-Mini C2D 6-07
https://www.macrumors.com/2007/03/07/ipod-nano-mini-announcements-this-month/
MacBook Pro Santa Rosa late 7-07
https://www.macrumors.com/2007/04/17/intels-penryn-chip-boosts-speeds/
MacBook Santa Rosa 9-07
iMac C2Q late 7-07 dieshrink version
https://www.macrumors.com/2007/03/12/power-efficient-quad-core-xeons/
https://www.macrumors.com/2007/03/30/apple-quad-core-processors-in-new-macs/
https://www.macrumors.com/2007/04/17/intels-penryn-chip-boosts-speeds/

MacPro Octo announced at NAB, shipping 7-07
https://www.macrumors.com/2007/02/20/hd-mac-pros-at-nab/
http://news.yahoo.com/s/macworld/20070301/tc_macworld/nabevent20070301_0
https://www.macrumors.com/2007/03/20/apple-nab-media-event-invites/
https://www.macrumors.com/2007/04/04/apple-releases-8-core-mac-pro/
== CONFIRMED 3 of 12

MPO bundles:
Adobe CS3
https://www.macrumors.com/2007/02/21/adobe-photoshop-creative-suite-3-on-march-27th/
https://www.macrumors.com/2007/03/05/adobe-to-ship-cs3-march-27th/
== CONFIRMED 1 of 12

FC Extreme (studio)
https://www.macrumors.com/2007/03/02/final-cut-pro-6-final-cut-extreme-details-displays-again/
https://www.macrumors.com/2007/03/20/apple-nab-media-event-invites/
https://www.macrumors.com/2007/04/13/apple-nab-special-event-this-weekend/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/296277/
https://www.macrumors.com/2007/04/15/nab-apple-updates-final-cut-studio/
== CONFIRMED 7 of 12

Logic Extreme / Audoi apps
https://www.macrumors.com/2007/02/28/revamped-logic-on-the-way/
https://www.macrumors.com/2007/01/17/logic-8-thursday/
https://www.macrumors.com/2007/03/20/apple-nab-media-event-invites/
Leopard 10.5.0 May 1 and 10.5.1 delivered at WWDC-07 in time to be installed on most "new" Macs.
http://www.amazon.com/Mac-OS-Version-10-5-Leopard/dp/B000FK88JK
https://www.macrumors.com/2007/03/22/mac-os-x-10-5-leopard-still-waiting/
https://www.macrumors.com/2007/04/12/apple-delays-leopard-release/
== CONFIRMED FAILED 4 of 12 (first failure)

There. Anything "sooner" is a win. Anything missing entirely or more than 2 months later is a loss.
I am shooting for a 70% record. Buy Apple stock.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/15837290/?q=AAPL

ATV
http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/Ou/?p=406
http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=2951&p=1

==
4-1-07

A better question is since there IS a press event with Steve Jobs present,
what might he announce as "one more thing"?

Primary:
EMI content on iTunes
https://www.macrumors.com/2007/04/02/emi-apple-press-conference-coverage/
https://www.macrumors.com/2007/04/02/behind-the-apple-emi-deal/
https://www.macrumors.com/2007/04/02/emi-apple-press-conference-coverage/
== CONFIRMED 5 of 12

Likely:
Watermarked vs DRM format
https://www.macrumors.com/2007/04/02/emi-apple-press-conference-coverage/
== CONFIRMED 6 of 12

Apple loseless format
HD 720i music videos

Less Likely:
iMac Quad with some music related software (Logic Extreme, Garage band 4 or something)
Apple BUYS EMI (they already own the Apple trademark free and clear)
https://www.macrumors.com/2007/04/17/intels-penryn-chip-boosts-speeds/

So no MacBook Pro revision in June, huh? None at all? Not until July? That's your prediction?

Makes sense, though, considering that everything else in the line is getting long in the tooth, especially the iMac.

Ugh.

-D

mkrishnan · Apr 28, 2007

JPark said:
Interesting. I read that and assumed the "Gb" was a typo. Is this how flash is sold for the existing line of iPods? Does a 4GB nano have 8 of these things in it?

When they say equivalent, I think they use 4Gb equivalents as a metric for measuring the volume -- I'm not sure that it's necessarily 16 separate 4Gb chips -- it might be a mix of some kind of that and larger modules (I think larger capacity ones exist).

But yes, memory chips are always in bits. Note how memory modules for computers almost invariably have four or eight RAM chips on the card.

Erasmus · Apr 28, 2007

mkrishnan said:
When they say equivalent, I think they use 4Gb equivalents as a metric for measuring the volume -- I'm not sure that it's necessarily 16 separate 4Gb chips -- it might be a mix of some kind of that and larger modules (I think larger capacity ones exist).

But yes, memory chips are always in bits. Note how memory modules for computers almost invariably have four or eight RAM chips on the card.

Yep, and so any RAM chips with four 4Gb chips on them are 4GN RAM modules : ) (GigaNybble for those not in the know (hope it's spelt right) 1 Nybble = 4 bits!)

Cult Follower · Apr 28, 2007

I think if this product ever does make it out, it will be something amazing. I already want one.

So here;s to hoping its earlier than later.

Rocketman · Apr 28, 2007

scrambledwonder said:
So no MacBook Pro revision in June, huh? None at all? Not until July? That's your prediction?

Makes sense, though, considering that everything else in the line is getting long in the tooth, especially the iMac.

Ugh.

-D

You didn't have to repost the whole quote

I say traditionally they do the 15" MacBookPro first, work out any kinks and then release the 17". A month or TWO later the MacBook. Fully debugged and ramped-up to handle the onslaught of demand.

It seems the onslaught is getting worse every quarter.

BTW doesn't the plastic case have better wireless reception than the Al one?

Rocketman

My TiG4-400 Rev A has a RESET BUTTON on back (and an IR port with no remote).

Ludde · Apr 28, 2007

johnee said:
I'm thinking sub-notebooks will replace macbooks.

3 lines of laptops might be too much. The price point would have to be $1000

I find your statement most unlikely

Episteme · Apr 28, 2007

AidenShaw said:
Your statement assumes that you revisit the same block every 4 GB - but in reality filesystems tend to have "hot spots" in the meta-data files.

Every time you create a file, you need to write to the space allocation bitmap and to the file header (and probably a file header allocation bitmap) and to the directory.

These hot spots are the problem, not the file data.

Modern flash controllers -- which are part of the flash itself -- have wear-levelling algorithms which spread writes around. So, when you "rewrite" stuff, it'll write it to a physically different block. Because it's flash, "fragmentation" doesn't matter. A change in write strategies, essentially.

Then there's OS-level threads that handle file system maintenance usually, to keep stuff from being "too static", stuff like that. Usually done when the system is in use but otherwise idle, probably restricted to when AC powered in the case of a notebook.

There's a bunch of whitepapers around on this stuff. I recall reading one from MS based on stuff they did for WM5, which changed their design focus from battery-backed RAM to flash.

So, this is a problem that's already been solved for the PDA and PDA/Phone convergence markets. Granted, the devices have a limited expected lifespan of something like 4-5 years, but that's all the majority of the subnotebook market likely expect anyway...

I was contemplating that solid state HDs for the data and a Robson-esque separate cache where the majority of the OS lived might also work well.

Just so long as the flash parts are user-replacable, I think it'd work out okay.

Episteme · Apr 28, 2007

Erasmus said:
Yes. For example, Ram and Hard Disks are marketed as Gigabytes (GB), while broadband internet and Ethernet are marketed as Gigabits (Gb). Gigabit is better used for low level physical amounts for hardware developers, because that's how many little switches it has, or how many zeros and ones are transferred per second, but gigabyte is better conceptually for computer storage comparison by consumers, because information is saved in bytes.

Well, at least that's what I think.

Yup, that's pretty much it.

Traditionally, network equipment was rated in bits because it was serial and thus sent one bit at a time -- so that measurement makes the most sense.

RAM is described as such because, depending on chip and system design, a full byte may not be stored on a single chip, but rather split up across multiple chips. These days, a full 32bit longword is usually stored across 4 chips but designs vary.

Once we get outside of hardware design, we're not really interested in bits, 'cause addressing works in terms of bytes. So that becomes a more useful measurement.

Of course, Nintendo and Sega also used to use the Megabit rating for their carts, way back -- but that was because it made 'em sound a lot bigger

shigzeo · Apr 28, 2007

damn well said

Anawrahta said:
The whole idea of subcompacts is that they're made out of strong composite materials, like Panasonic's tough books, or Sony's carbon VAIOs. That said, who drops their laptop? I've never dropped any of mine, and if you're clumsy enough to drop it hard enough that it breaks, then you should pay the price.

Apple bought over designers FROM Sony to design their current crop of notebooks. The very first Powerbook was DESIGNED and built BY Sony. To say that Sony's electronics division is not a true innovator is simply ignorant. Heard of the CD?

The subcompact VAIOs are not entertainment experience computers, they are meant for people working on the go, and the Japanese market that prefers more compact devices. Apple is shrinking in the world's second largest market. They need this computer over here.

personally, i cannot even think of carrying a laptop as they are heavy and/or bulky. apple laptops look good and i think are the best but only on a desk - you cannot effectively use them on the go.

on the go does not mean american - in the car, on your desk, to a meeting. try carrying one all day on the train, then walking home from the train (2k or so) and trying to make sure it does not snap during rush or something.

apple is dying out in japan yes... this needs to be fixed. you cannot design hamburgers for people who do not eat them, you need to innovate

MrFusion · Apr 29, 2007

localoid said:
You heard wrong...

Not entirely. Both were involved. So we are both right (you: sony, me

hilips) and wrong (me: not knowing about sony, you: not giving credit to philips).

Wild-Bill · Apr 29, 2007

mlarkin said:
MacRumors, you are clueless idiots. Cut the goddamn crap. Who the **** ever said the product was promised at any point in history.

And worse, the board is full of asswipes crying like babies that 'Apple is late again'.

Grow the **** up.

I see a vacation from the forums in your future. If you don't want to hear people whining about product rumors, DONT COME TO A MAC-RUMORS website. You are the only clueless idiot I see.

mlarkin - macrumors nOOb. Joined in 2004, and has a whopping TWO posts.

avus · Apr 29, 2007

shigzeo said:
apple is dying out in japan yes... this needs to be fixed. you cannot design hamburgers for people who do not eat them, you need to innovate

dying out in japan...? DYING? Shrinking, yes, but you must keep in mind that the entire PC shipments were DOWN in 1Q/07 compared to 1Q/06 there, so IMHO Apple did as well as it could, despite some strong comments by Peter Oppenheimer in the conference call last week.

I think Apple is still relevant there, iPod being very popular. However, I doubt that any Mac, even a sub-notebook a la PowerBook 2400, would have much impact because the main focus in Japanese IT field had shifted from PC and MP3 player to cell phone and game console - only the localized iPhone would do it there.

Shagrat · Apr 29, 2007

Wow, slow news day...

Personally i think this is coming across as just about the most useless thread ever at MR...even I have absolutely nothing of interest to man nor beast, to add to this already stultifying thread!

I want to vote 0, not +ve or -Ve, BTW...

Counter · Apr 29, 2007

BREAKING NEWS JUST IN: Apples Subnotebook delayed because developers had to be pulled from the project to work on iQuiz, the all new quiz game for the popular iPod music player.

MonkeyClaw · Apr 29, 2007

God I love this place, its the only place I can go to read a bunch of children complaining about a non existant product being delayed. I thought Mac users were smarter, guess not...

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