According to their PR Verizon is starting their LTE roll-out in 2010... something like 10 or 15 markets.. so it will be some number of years before an LTE-only phone is viable.
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Apple's U.S. Carrier Arrangements for iPhone and Tablet Remain Muddled
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According to their PR Verizon is starting their LTE roll-out in 2010... something like 10 or 15 markets.. so it will be some number of years before an LTE-only phone is viable.
What about the monthly cost?
A big question is what that data is going to cost tablet users.
Are they charged $30/month (like a smartphone)
Or $60/month (as with a laptop USB card)
for the whopping 5GB/month before hefty overage fees?
At $30/month, it'll be an attractive tethering solution (official or not) if the OS can be "jailbroken"
A big question is what that data is going to cost tablet users.
Are they charged $30/month (like a smartphone)
Or $60/month (as with a laptop USB card)
for the whopping 5GB/month before hefty overage fees?
At $30/month, it'll be an attractive tethering solution (official or not) if the OS can be "jailbroken"
And what if Apple figured out a way to go the Kindle route and includes broadband service for free as long as you're subscribing via iTunes for music, video, magazines, books, newspapers, etc.?
If that were based on the $30/ month supposed streaming service, id do it in a heartbeat... though i would rather not have a cap if your streaming movies
Does anyone know the status of that big server farm Apple was building in one of the Carolinas? I'm curious how close that is to completion, since many believed it to be a key part of Apple's media plans, and if this tablet is the keystone of their media solution, the two should be online around the same time, yes?
What, like the preloaded Stock market and other apps on the iPhone that Apple doesn't let people delete?
Or Apple not allowing certain apps, like Sling over 3G, Googe Voice, and so forth, that we can use on any other phone.
Or Apple leaving out all sorts of useful Bluetooth profiles?
Or Apple only allowing us to download apps from their single app store, and then only apps that they approve and get a cut of?
Apple's control over the iPhone is far greater than anything Verizon or the carriers have ever done.
Agreed, that sucks. Yet it looks like Bing might become standard on all iPhones, if Microsoft and Apple get together.
If you're using data over WiFi, or if you use Skype over 3G for voice, you can. But I agree, it's too bad it's not built-in as a 3G option, even though the separation is why Verizon won't suffer from voice drops as data users ramp up, like ATT does.
This has all the markings of a typical internet urban myth.
Ever read the Google Maps or iTunes terms of use? Verizon's policy is very similar: it's about using data within its internal branches for sales or when you ask for help.
Why would they build a tablet that could only tether to an iPhone. All tethering is doing is either supplying a modem interface or TCP/IP interface to the internet that the phone has acess to. From the Tablet/Slate/Pad side of the issue it shouldn't matter if it is two hamsters on a treadmill as long as the industry standard data moves back and forth!
There a vastly larger market they can tap into if the iPad taps into "not so smart" or "not as smart' phones rather that requiring the only way to get to the internet is through an iPhone. That is the most myopic approach they could possibly take.
The Kindle doesn't include it for free. They estimate a certain amount of baseline internet usage and include it upfront in the product price. They also attached a internet usage fee to the larger (they guess) amount of content you will be explicitly downloading from their site through a purchase. So they just piggyback the rest of the costs on other charges you are incurring.
Those are also relativly small download compared to bulking stuff like huge multimedia albums, glitzy magazines , or least cost effective of all , quality resolution video.
because it is lighter *and* less expensive ( *and* if they manage to do it right lasts significantly longer on battery power) . That leaves more money in your wallet to buy content or something else.
if the device weights about the same as the newspaper and/or book/magazine you might have, you can exclude those and still be at the same travel weight.
The question is why would by buy an more expensive , heavier, and less longer lasting device that is the MBP?
Similarly if someone asks you to proof read a multipage document or check out a details at a website oriented toward regular desktop browsing, is that going to be easier to do on a tiny iPhone screen or on a iPad?
[there are good reasons to if the work you need to do requires a machine with those properties that is more capable (or less capable in the iPhone case). However, if primarily looking for information (web , email, video conference, lightweight stuff) and entertainment .... what is the possible value add for those additional drawbacks?
Likewise if the work required MacOS X then have some more justification. ]
Kindle files are essentially text files.
Most novels are only a few hundred kilobytes in Kindle form.
Even on 2G (@1xRTT/EDGE speed) Kindle files are quick to download.
Most novels are only a few hundred kilobytes in Kindle form.
Even on 2G (@1xRTT/EDGE speed) Kindle files are quick to download.
And yet they still add a hidden network surcharge to each one of them.
Likewise being text only is a obstacle to richly formated and/or multimedia content. [ Yeah know you can put rich formatting in ala TeX , RTF, etc. but for the most part the kindle throws that under the bus. ]
Yes. it is much easier to hide the incremental network costs here and to get "free passes" on most data bandwidth providers' networks.
Tablet, schmablet. -- Kimme Global BT Keyboard for the iPhone!!
Tablet, schmablet.
All I want is an iPhone that can use a physical keyboard -- preferably a foldout BlueTooth keyboard -- globally (for use with all Apps).
Me and, like, 10 million other people.
All I f'in' DON'T need is an oversized iPod Touch -- STILL with NO keyboard!!!
Tablet, schmablet.
All I want is an iPhone that can use a physical keyboard -- preferably a foldout BlueTooth keyboard -- globally (for use with all Apps).
Me and, like, 10 million other people.
All I f'in' DON'T need is an oversized iPod Touch -- STILL with NO keyboard!!!
i wouldn't say ANY. but in regards to carrier issues and hardware, I agree. I do think that they might announce an SDK for iphone 4.0 will be arriving in a few days.
as for the tablet and carriers, perhaps there's nothing about talks and such because there aren't any. no one is going to have exclusive rights to the tablet. it will be sold unlocked. and both ATT and Verizon have popped up in the rumors cause it will be both GSM and CDMA. and for those that don't feel the need for the added cost, 3g is optional.
so no need to make any arrangements.
you can follow the event on several sites including probably macrumors.
also the Verizon thing is said to be an internal webcast from their home office NOT the apple one. and happening after Apples. so there is probably something they need to send out to their peeps in response to whatever comes out in the morning.
I disagree. If even half the rumors are true, the tablet is much better positioned to be a gateway device to pull in new switchers. and thus Apple would want to encourage as many sales as possible. Requiring 3g and then forcing it on one next, especially that that has proven they can't handle the iphone AND is still pushing off tethering, doesn't make sense. It makes more sense to let ATT keep the phone until 2011 or whenever but thanks to a carefully worded initial contract not have to give them sole rights to a data only cell device. Spread the wealth and snag the folks that don't want to leave their better Verizon service and such.
you are going to see a dance. but thats not Steve. That's the iSteve. a robotic replica of Steve Jobs continuously backing up Steve's brain via a secured wifi link directly to the man himself.
that way the next time there's rumors of Steve's death, everyone can rest assured that the company can control with the iSteve and not fall apart (since everyone else that works for the company are apparently uncreative morons that just do what Steve tells them to).
and check out that moonwalk, and oh no iSteve did not just do the crotch grab. oh yes, he did.
would that be a change to the original contract. if so then you might be able to break your contract without an ETF. wouldn't that be a great call
"well yes, so long as I'm a subscriber you can release my information. but under law XYZ if you change the terms of my contract I can break it with no fees. And since I just bought an iphone, I done with you. Buh bye"
Did The Steve say this tomorrow?
You're taking hype and rumour and presenting it as fact. Nobody can argue about the "intent" of the nonexistent Itablet.
Why "leaving AT&T"? Makes no sense at all.
"Adding Verizon" makes sense - and if AT&T is unlucky we'll hear that.
"Choice" is good, regardless of Cupertino's beliefs.
Perhaps Apple is still negotiating with AT&T and Verizon and their choice of tablet carrier won't be decided until midnight tonite. That would certainly prevent the decision from leaking!
Yeah, I know! I have been dreading this too... How will one keep a 7-10" exposed glass screen from cracking? Get some kind of hard shell case/lid? This will just bulk it up to proportions of a standard netbook-- at which point I would rather that extra bulk contain a keyboard!
fwiw, my in-laws' next-door-neighbor (I know this sounds like a line from Spaceballs) works for Verizon and has since his group was ConTel. He (his name is Ron) says the tomorrow a verizon iphone will be announced.
I do not know how he would know this specifically, whether he is confusing the iphone with the tablet, or what.
I imagine that Verizon is going to have its hands full with some of the data problems AT&T had, but otherwise I can't imagine why this announcement would be out to miscellaneous employees.
but it's the most credible thing I've heard yet on this.
As far as the iphone and who the next carry will be. I do not see verizon because the network can not handle the ability to surf or do anything else while on a phone call. Unless they have be secretly refreshing the services but I doubt it. Next T-moblie which I run now because at&t is not that good in my area.T-mobile is not that bad the down fall is no 3g on tmobile but I can live with edge speeds plus the price are a lot better for full package. as nuch as at&t and apple have history i can see them pushes hard for the rights to both the iphone and the tablet. who wouldn't but here is the kicker at&t rolled out some sort of 7.2 thing and nobody has put much thought into. but if they were about to lost the iphone why bother, some said the iphone was bogging down their network right. also apple is going to go with who allows them to get a large % of the iphone or ipad/itablet sales. with that being said at&t will most likely get ipad/itablet and iphone esp. if they are talking about tethering between the two of them. me personal i would open both devices to all networks and set a standard % from all carriers who could handle FULL capabilities of the devices
I agree.
We should all remember how much Verizon sucks about data transfers between phone and computer, and how much of that has to go through their network (ch-ching).
Would Verizon be changing that, when they pick up the iPhone, or will the iPhone accommodate that really lousy system?
If you're talking about stuff like picture transfers from simple dumbphones to a computer, you could always do that for free using BitPim over a USB cable.
Smartphones are treated very differently from dumbphones. They're totally open. You can transfer any way you want, via USB, with email, over Bluetooth to your desktop computer, or whatever way you can think of. Any theme, picture, ringtone, app, or any other kind of data.