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You make some good points. Obviously I think the long term goal will be to remove reliance on the iPhone, but at the same time - that reliance may keep customers coming back as they are happy with their wearables and Apple still offers a quality phone, which we will likely keep on our person for years to come, although likely smaller. I get the price thing, but this is typical Apple and it has always worked out for them. The competition today very well may force prices down (probably a solid move either way) though and I think that's a great thing for customers. In the end, Apple is still in a very envious position when it comes to tech products and anybody claiming they are in the decline is delusional in my opinion. Do they need to make some changes? For sure, cost being one, they could open up a ton of customization options or other software changes to drive growth, really get aggressive when it comes to hardware, etc. but they have always taken the slow road. The numbers today may force them to accelerate in these areas, which is good for everyone.

I think looking at the past to claim success in the future is always a fools game in tech.

And it's something we all do on tese forums. Whats important is trends. (if we're talking about the business aspect, often times, we discuss business and interchange that with quality of the product).

Where I see a potential issue is the slowdown of sales today causing a potential ripple affect of the future. If prices are so high today that people are opting to just not buy or are opting to buy a cheaper android instead. That's a lost sale that may never return tomorrow.

Enough people start doing that and you end up in a situation where your overall market may decline (Not market share, talking about how many devices are actually out there)

a further Hypothetical Apple needs to be wary of. If say Apple sells in 2019 one million iphones. But, 2 million iPhone 6 devices get retired due to age and end of support, than Apple's overall market to sell their wearables and accessories is now 1 million users smaller.

Apple has to pay attention to ensure that their pricing (which does affect volume of sales) doesn't lower those sales to the point that they're no longer replacing as many as are retired.

Typically though, in tech markets, when a marketplace becomes mature. A vendor has 2 options. Go upscale. Or go volume. Going upscale might bring in a lot of short term revenue, but will typically lower your user base due to higher price points and price elasticity being a thing. Companies that go upscale tend to need something that stands above and beyond the competition as a selling feature that you cannot get anywhere else. Many can argue that Apple is no longer offering compelling enough featureset to warrant $300 more for the device. Hence, the last couple quarters we have started seeing volume declining.

The other option is volume. If people are balking at buying new products because of a diminishing returns on the evolution of the products (The X to the Xs was not a major update), than if you want to ensure you sell volume enough to grow that user base for the sales of other ancillary products and services, than you lower the price to reduce that as a barrier to update.

It's probably why we've seen in the last couple years companies like Huawei and Oppo and other chinese brands do so well. they're offering 90% of the performance and features at 60-70% the price. These lower prices are easier to swallow yearly than higher prices.
 
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Smart phones have become a commodity. Like a refrigerator, or a vacuum cleaner.

When people still had ice boxes and swept the floors with straw brooms, these items were exciting and new. Almost magical.

When was the last time someone busted a nut over a Frigidaire or a Hoover? It's a tool to get work done anymore.

Same thing happened to computers and smart phones. It's just another tool.

Who makes your socket set? Mac or Snap On? Dunno, hand me the 10mm. Shiet, the 10mm is missing.


The 10mm is ALWAYS missing, BTW....
 
I agree. I usually upgrade every year but I think until Apple figures out a full screen iPhone with no notch services is where I may invest this year with Apple

The notch doesn’t bother me at all. For me it’s more the fact that the X works fine for me. I don’t do anything heavy duty on it.
 
I think Apple is very happy:

Statcounter reports that iOS has significantly higher usage share than Android in many developed nations around the world.

Countries where Apple’s iOS dominates Android by web share:

Japan: iOS = 72%. Android = 27%
Australia: iOS = 64%. Android = 36%
Canada: iOS = 64%. Android = 36%
Sweden: iOS = 63%. Android = 36%
Denmark: iOS = 62%. Android = 38%
USA: iOS = 58%. Android = 41%
UK: iOS = 55%. Android = 44%
Norway: iOS = 53%. Android = 47%

And a few other countries where iOS is very close to Android
Singapore: iOS = 45%. Android = 54%
Netherlands: iOS = 44%. Android = 55%

And China is right on the worldwide average for iOS web share – one reason why the glabal average for iOS is dragged down so far:
China: iOS = 27%. Android = 70%

However, more importantly Apple is in fact the dominant OS in all the metrics that actually matter worldwide.

Apple dominates the Business mobile and tablet markets to the tune of 72% - 82% worldwide for example.

iOS users generate an incredible 1,790% greater advertising ROI than Android users, the latter of whom actually lost money for advertisers according to Nanigans.

Google is reliant on the iOS platform for an amazing 75% of their mobile search revenue.

App Annie reports that Apple's iOS platform generates 90% greater 3rd party App Developer revenue than Android.

Apple's iOS platform generates 400% more e-commerce revenue for retailers in the US than the Android platform according to IBM and Adobe.

And that is not even considering Apple's revenue and profit share figures for every industry that they participate in.

I think Apple is reasonably happy with the numbers, but if they settle it may come back to hurt them.
 
Do companies buy thousand of iPhones for American people or alien*? Because if it’s the former I don’t see the point. And really, you want to say numbers are inflated by people that buy more than a phone for themselves?

EDIT: * when I say aliens I obviously don’t mean immigrants.

I was just making the point that the numbers are not just single purchases. My hospital has a payroll of about 15,000. Probably 10,000 were issued phones. So I had my own phone and theirs. Calm down.
 
But those two things are relatively inexpensive compared to the iPhone.
Wearables is a growth area but has years to go before really realized as a huge revenue producer.
Right now, the watch really needs to be tied to an iPhone to utilize its full potential. Sure, iPhone isn’t going anywhere but still needs to keep growing at a good pace. I’ll never give up my iPhone but after 32 years of buying Apple products, they are slipping a little in the innovation leadership/bang for large bucks territory.

That's true, but iPhone is only one piece of the equation. When you consider iPhone, iPad, Watch, AirPods, Apple TV, HomePod, and Services, there is still a ton of opportunity. As long as you are slightly growing in those areas, it will all work out. Just curious on the innovation comment - what are some useful innovative ideas coming out from other companies that are driving growth?
 
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Smart phones have become a commodity. Like a refrigerator, or a vacuum cleaner.

When people still had ice boxes and swept the floors with straw brooms, these items were exciting and new. Almost magical.

When was the last time someone busted a nut over a Frigidaire or a Hoover? It's a tool to get work done anymore.

Same thing happened to computers and smart phones. It's just another tool.

Who makes your socket set? Mac or Snap On? Dunno, hand me the 10mm. Shiet, the 10mm is missing.


The 10mm is ALWAYS missing, BTW....
Which is why Apple is pivoting to services, just like how they pivoted to iPod from Macs, and later pivoted to iPhones before that where traditional desktops and laptops are becoming a commodity.

That’s the nature of business and product cycle. IBM recognized this, and sold their PC business to Lenovo. Kodak failed to recognize the rise of digital camera and they’re gone.
 
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Who cares what “you’d” do? You don’t speak for everyone. The market (reality) disagrees with you and sales of used devices are still going strong.

Reputation is tarnished? Again, reality disagrees with you. Apple has outstanding customer satisfaction ratings. Where are you getting your data to say they reputation is tarnished?
Well, here are a few:

https://gizmodo.com/apple-is-blowing-it-1832153103
https://www.cultofmac.com/517053/hey-apple-fix-your-crappy-software/
https://www.zdnet.com/article/why-has-apples-reputation-taken-a-nose-dive/
https://9to5mac.com/2017/02/28/apple-reputation-ranking-fall/
https://www.latimes.com/business/te...le-store-customer-service-20190507-story.html

Trends are, over the last 5 or 6 years, that Apple has shifted its emphasis to iOS - especially iPhones - and has largely neglected Mac development. The Mac Pro hasn't updated in many years, nor has its price been adjusted accordingly; its laptops have sacrificed function to thin, with few ports, flimsy keyboards, cooling issues, and upgrade/repair difficulty. Obviously, no one at Apple cares what I or other disgruntled former Apple customers think, but I will no longer pay high dollars for Apple laptops - they don't provide the functionality I need (ports, robust keyboards, repairability/upgradability). I won't buy iPhones without headphone jacks or touch id. The jury's out on my next iMac purchase, as price point and tendency to overheat after two/three years are making high end PCs running Linux increasingly attractive. Same with my iPad (2017 Pro) - they no longer have headphone jacks and have had issues with bending. As you say, though, who cares what I think?
 
I think looking at the past to claim success in the future is always a fools game in tech.

And it's something we all do on tese forums. Whats important is trends. (if we're talking about the business aspect, often times, we discuss business and interchange that with quality of the product).

Where I see a potential issue is the slowdown of sales today causing a potential ripple affect of the future. If prices are so high today that people are opting to just not buy or are opting to buy a cheaper android instead. That's a lost sale that may never return tomorrow.

Enough people start doing that and you end up in a situation where your overall market may decline (Not market share, talking about how many devices are actually out there)

a further Hypothetical Apple needs to be wary of. If say Apple sells in 2019 one million iphones. But, 2 million iPhone 6 devices get retired due to age and end of support, than Apple's overall market to sell their wearables and accessories is now 1 million users smaller.

Apple has to pay attention to ensure that their pricing (which does affect volume of sales) doesn't lower those sales to the point that they're no longer replacing as many as are retired.

Typically though, in tech markets, when a marketplace becomes mature. A vendor has 2 options. Go upscale. Or go volume. Going upscale might bring in a lot of short term revenue, but will typically lower your user base due to higher price points and price elasticity being a thing. Companies that go upscale tend to need something that stands above and beyond the competition as a selling feature that you cannot get anywhere else. Many can argue that Apple is no longer offering compelling enough featureset to warrant $300 more for the device. Hence, the last couple quarters we have started seeing volume declining.

The other option is volume. If people are balking at buying new products because of a diminishing returns on the evolution of the products (The X to the Xs was not a major update), than if you want to ensure you sell volume enough to grow that user base for the sales of other ancillary products and services, than you lower the price to reduce that as a barrier to update.

It's probably why we've seen in the last couple years companies like Huawei and Oppo and other chinese brands do so well. they're offering 90% of the performance and features at 60-70% the price. These lower prices are easier to swallow yearly than higher prices.

It's possible, but it go both ways. Apple gets a ton of first time iPhone buyers switching over from Android. I never hear about iPhone users switching to Android (although it obviously happens due to cost). I also think Apple will lower costs slightly this year, putting it more in line with comparable high end phones. The lower cost Android phones with nice specs are more of a threat to Samsung than Apple. Specs and features typically appeal to the Android crowd than the Apple crowd, at least from what I see. You make good points, but Apple is smart and understands where they need to adjust to put them in the position for continued success. YOY revenue growth while declining in iPhone sales is impressive. Tim Cook does a lot better as a CEO than most give him credit for.
 
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Well, here are a few:

https://gizmodo.com/apple-is-blowing-it-1832153103
https://www.cultofmac.com/517053/hey-apple-fix-your-crappy-software/
https://www.zdnet.com/article/why-has-apples-reputation-taken-a-nose-dive/
https://9to5mac.com/2017/02/28/apple-reputation-ranking-fall/
https://www.latimes.com/business/te...le-store-customer-service-20190507-story.html

Trends are, over the last 5 or 6 years, that Apple has shifted its emphasis to iOS - especially iPhones - and has largely neglected Mac development. The Mac Pro hasn't updated in many years, nor has its price been adjusted accordingly; its laptops have sacrificed function to thin, with few ports, flimsy keyboards, cooling issues, and upgrade/repair difficulty. Obviously, no one at Apple cares what I or other disgruntled former Apple customers think, but I will no longer pay high dollars for Apple laptops - they don't provide the functionality I need (ports, robust keyboards, repairability/upgradability). I won't buy iPhones without headphone jacks or touch id. The jury's out on my next iMac purchase, as price point and tendency to overheat after two/three years are making high end PCs running Linux increasingly attractive. Same with my iPad (2017 Pro) - they no longer have headphone jacks and have had issues with bending. As you say, though, who cares what I think?

Oh look, some opinion pieces and click bait articles being passed off as fact. How come you never linked to any articles about things like customer satisfaction? You know, actual real data taken from users themselves?
 
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How surprising, that notch is so beautiful ;)

Do you really REALLY think iPhone sales are slowing down because of such minuscule thing as a notch? REALLY?
You can say, that you don't like the notch, but thinking this is the main turn off is just absolutely laughable. Guess iPhones without notch are selling just beyond fantastic? Or iPhone X wasn't one of the best selling phone of 2017?
Met a guy one time, he was 100% sure iPhones are selling bad (it was when iPhone 6 was the latest model and one of the best selling phones on the planet), because you can't set your own melody as a ringtone...
So, everybody thinks, that this small feature they don't like about iPhone MUST and IS the main and only reason, why iPhone global sales are down any time they go in decline. LOL.
This is just as funny, when YT reviewer with 16k subs makes a video with the classic " ..finally Apple listened to me..."
 
And to think this is about US, Apple's sweetheart market. The situation overseas is measurably worse, as customers are made to pay way more for getting less value: stagnating devices with expedient design choices, lowest denominator out-of-box peripherals, and most of Apple's services being US-centric next to a handful of select countries.

Cook can try all he may to pin it on the "market". The reality is that unless users are compelled to stick with iOS for their personal reasons, there's nothing really to drive Apple loyalty anymore.

Europe alone has been changing quite noticeably. Androids are practically everywhere. It is not anymore the tech for those who can’t buy an iPhone. Androids are being bought for what they offer and iPhones have been caught up by competition.
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Used iPhones are getting cheaper now too especially on Facebook Marketplace. I got me a used iPhone X and iPhone 8 Plus for total of $650 from a co-worker. I saw a lot of iPhone 7 Plus for sale for $200-250 which is still a really good phone imo. Apple Watch is kinda different though some people still want to sell their series 1 for $200 which is ridiculous and funny.

I think Apple Watch is different from the iPhones in terms of the upgrade frequency. I, for one, still use my Series 0 that I bought on the launch in 2015. I do not see any need to upgrade now. Whereas I have upgraded my phone once since 2015. Prior to 2015, I would upgrade every year.
 
That’s your opinion and preference. Doesn’t change the fact of the market. In the US, for example, most smartphones are sold through carrier contracts and/or some type of leasing programs. That’s the fact of the market, and I believe this is my original point that since that’s the case, Apple should be pushing its iUP program further. Your insistence about your choice doesn’t really change the facts.
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So it’s me twisting it despite you read my post wrong? Ok buddy, just stop it before you embarrass yourself further. Enough.

That’s because majority of people think this way. They think credit can solve everything and give them ability to purchase things they can’t afford. Most people will just think just other 40 dollars per months or whatever. They don’t realized that they could save lots of money for going purchase a cheaper and affordable past generation iPhone or Android and going for prepaid route.

There is thing. I used to working at banks for past few years and then I moved on for different role. I have seen so many people are buried with debt and there are no way out for them. Lots of them carries most recent iPhone, they drive cars that clearly they can’t afford, they purchase houses that they could handles.

If everyone think credit is good thing, then of course, carriers and Apple would offer leasing program. If everyone think credit is not such good thing, then people would think twice about their purchases.

To me the only accept thing to financing through is the property. I saved up enough (by putting 900 dollar monthly aside and saved for four years) for my new car. I was driving a 2008 Malibu for almost 6 years (past down by my parents). I could have leased or financed through dealer, but i rather not. I already have monthly mortgage payments, property tax and condo fee to pay. Last thing i want is put other monthly installment.
 
Top of the line phones from any manufacturer, Apple or not, are too expensive to justify replacing them every year for many people. A decent laptop is about the same price and an entry level laptop is hundreds less. New “features” on most phones are not automatic must have features for most people either.

My personal opinion is that Apple should make their phones thicker, mostly to improve battery capacity but also to get rid of the camera bump which, from the way people on this site describe it is going to cause the collapse of civilization. And try to lessen the cost of their flagship phone without lowering quality, in either build or features. Simple to say but not simple to do.

But making the case thicker and adding battery capacity wouldn’t take a lot of additional engineering so it’s a low risk technologically. I’m not going to pretend that I understand fashion so I don’t know if they would lose market over increasing thickness by a millimeter or two.
 
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There is just really no reason to upgrade unless you are one of those early adopters for the hell of it or if you are currently using an old device. iOS is pretty much the same on every device nowadays and at the end of the day you just end up going back into the same Apps which are optimized to run just as well on old devices anyway
 
Apple doesn't really care. They're riding the phone train into the services business they way they ran the computer train into the phone business. For the next decade it'll be all about services and the machines are simply delivery vehicles. We are, in a way, going back to the 70s with dumb terminals ... bright, shiny, fast, and over course, being Apple, wafer-thin!, dumb terminals, but dumb terminals just the same. The computer industry spent a couple decades trying to convince everyone to buy a computer and once the internet came along they succeeded. Then they spent a couple decades trying to convince everyone to buy a phone and once the internet came to THAT they succeeded. Now that we're entrenched with things and stuff, they need to start getting what's really valuable: control of our information.
 
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I think looking at the past to claim success in the future is always a fools game in tech.

And it's something we all do on tese forums. Whats important is trends. (if we're talking about the business aspect, often times, we discuss business and interchange that with quality of the product).

I just feel that a lot of the discussion here tends to be quite superficial in nature.

Where I see a potential issue is the slowdown of sales today causing a potential ripple affect of the future. If prices are so high today that people are opting to just not buy or are opting to buy a cheaper android instead. That's a lost sale that may never return tomorrow.

Enough people start doing that and you end up in a situation where your overall market may decline (Not market share, talking about how many devices are actually out there)

a further Hypothetical Apple needs to be wary of. If say Apple sells in 2019 one million iphones. But, 2 million iPhone 6 devices get retired due to age and end of support, than Apple's overall market to sell their wearables and accessories is now 1 million users smaller.

Apple has to pay attention to ensure that their pricing (which does affect volume of sales) doesn't lower those sales to the point that they're no longer replacing as many as are retired.

Except that the reality is that Apple's active iPhone user base continues to grow. We have 900 million active iPhones as of end January, and I think Apple is well on track to get its 1 billionth user by the end of this year or early next year.

What people seem to fail to acknowledge is that 2nd-hand iPhones tend to hold their value fairly well, and there is a rather healthy market for such products. That's probably why Apple is actively encouraging users to trade in their older iPhones. On one hand, trading in an older iPhone helps offset the cost of upgrading to a newer iPhone, making the prospect more palatable.

It's likely also why Apple is willing to support older iPhones for so long with software updates. While a 2nd-hand iPhone might not bring Apple any money directly, it's still an extra device which can bring in revenue in other ways, from the sales of accessories (eg: apple watch and AirPods) to apps and services. I suspect a larger install base also gives Apple leverage in negotiating for a higher fee from Google in order to keep google search as the default on ios. In short, Apple has no shortage of means to continue monetising their existing user base after the sales of the initial device. Something android handset OEMs can't do.

This does make me wonder what Apple does with all those iPhones traded in. Do they get torn down for spare parts, or does Apple have their own channel for reselling those devices in the grey market?

Typically though, in tech markets, when a marketplace becomes mature. A vendor has 2 options. Go upscale. Or go volume. Going upscale might bring in a lot of short term revenue, but will typically lower your user base due to higher price points and price elasticity being a thing. Companies that go upscale tend to need something that stands above and beyond the competition as a selling feature that you cannot get anywhere else. Many can argue that Apple is no longer offering compelling enough featureset to warrant $300 more for the device. Hence, the last couple quarters we have started seeing volume declining.

See my argument above as to why I feel the criticism of Apple going upscale (lower device sales) is more than a little shortsighted.

The high-end segment of the market is getting saturated. Apple knows this, and has been taking steps to wean themselves off their dependence on iPhone sales. This comes in the form of higher prices, more hardware and more services.

In short, Apple has chosen to pivot from selling iPhones to selling to people with iPhones. I think that this will prove to be the right move in the long run.

The other option is volume. If people are balking at buying new products because of a diminishing returns on the evolution of the products (The X to the Xs was not a major update), than if you want to ensure you sell volume enough to grow that user base for the sales of other ancillary products and services, than you lower the price to reduce that as a barrier to update.

I don't see volume sales working for Apple. For one, that Apple's margins have more or less remained constant (or even fallen slightly, as was the case when Apple lowered their prices in overseas markets like China to counter the lower exchange rate). The simple reason is that Apple devices are costing more partly because they are costing more to make. So I fail to see the logic in selling more devices at dramatically lower margins (because that hasn't really worked out for many an Android OEM who has gone down this route).

That and Apple does sell cheaper iPhones (usually older models sold at a discount) for people looking for a lower-cost device. That's why the 5c didn't work. Apple has aggregated the best customers. History has shown that people don't want cheap iPhones. They want the best (or at least, what was once the best), and are generally willing to pay for it. That's why we are Apple customers.

And if you want to grow your user base, then Apple has demonstrated that a combination of an array of iPhones at varying price points, plus a healthy grey market for used iPhones is working in achieving a similar effect to what you are proposing, while allowing them to still rake in healthy amounts of profit.

It's probably why we've seen in the last couple years companies like Huawei and Oppo and other chinese brands do so well. they're offering 90% of the performance and features at 60-70% the price. These lower prices are easier to swallow yearly than higher prices.

I think the reality is that these Chinese brands are more of a threat to Samsung than Apple. Apple has its ecosystem, which gives users a very strong incentive to keep using Apple products (or at least, a very strong disincentive not to). Samsung has no such moat, which puts them at a disadvantage against companies who are not afraid to slash prices in order to garner market share.

Samsung is increasingly forced to rely on their hardware chops to compensate for their lack of software or services platform, but this is an uphill battle against Chinese OEMs who seem capable of mimicking whatever Samsung does for much cheaper. Not to mention that more hardware specs doesn't always result in a better user experience. For example, I don't think that 8gb of ram would matter any more to the average consumer over 6gb of ram.

Conversely, I believe it is much more difficult to replicate the unique Apple experience in its entirety, for the simple reason that they lack the tight-knit control over hardware, software and services that Apple does. The way I see it, Apple will continue to leverage this integration to create an even-stronger ecosystem of devices, which will serve to not only strengthen its customer relationships, but also attract new customers

Just so we are clear, I don't think that Apple is invincible, but I do believe that Apple is a lot more resilient than many critics here give them credit for. Their much-maligned services keynote in March gave me the impression that Apple is moving rapidly to consolidate power within its own ecosystem, and it fills me with confidence in Apple's future, rather than dread or pessimism. I see the emergence of a new world order where companies like Google and Facebook increasingly play second fiddle to Apple (especially as Apple shows that it is not averse to encroaching on their territories and offer its own alternatives to their offerings).

And I look forward to being a part of this brave new world that Apple seeks to usher in. One where Apple is no longer in equilibrium with the other FAANG companies, but has ascended all the way to the top.

Now won't that be a sight to behold?
 
Yes they are.

  • Company A sells 80 million units for $20 billion revenue and $2 billion profit.
  • Company B sells 40 million units for $31 billion revenue and $6 billion profit.

Which company is doing better? Obviously B. But Android fans would like to pretend A is doing better because they sold more units. It’s like they have a complete lack of any business sense.
Android phones as a whole are doing quite fine. As with PCs, the individual companies producing Android phones face tough competition among themselves and their fortunes may vary. This also has the tendency, if they don't waste effort emulating everything Apple does (good and bad), for Android phones and PCs to innovate and improve. You'll occasionally get clunkers, like the Samsung Note 7, but gaffs like that provide lessons on what not to do (in this case, sacrifice battery safety for the sake of thinness of chassis). Comparing Apple fans to Android "fans" is more like comparing actual apples to citrus fruits. If you really like apples more than any other fruits, high quality oranges or grapefruits aren't going to change your mind; if you like lot of different citrus fruits, but don't care for apples, you might go for grapefruits sometimes and oranges at others, depending on the year and quality of each. You still likely won't buy apples, especially if they cost a lot. Apple's strength, and also its potential weakness, is that it has total control over both hardware and software. If the company gets things right, and produces high quality hardware wedded to tightly integrated software, that's a big advantage over Android phones and PC producers. It's only a weakness when Apple gets things wrong. Over the years, it was customary to pit Apple against Microsoft (and now Android) as a competitor. That was (and is) only a true comparison in regards to software. MS and Google only have peripheral control over PC and Android hardware - they specify a generalized hardware spec' required for their systems to run. Apple creates and controls its hardware spec' down to the smallest details. To truly compare Apple to non-Apple products is two pronged - iOS/MacOS vs Android/Windows/Linux; Apple devices vs Samsung/LG/Motorola/Dell/Lenovo/HP/System76/(etc). Apple will nearly always beat out individual non-Apple companies for hardware; not so with software, which is why Microsoft and Android command a large market.
 
Apple needs to sit down for a year, focus on being innovative yet again and release something that is tried and true and not a better version of something Samsung put out. I think fans and consumers are tired of seeing the same old same old and the sales are reflecting this. You have people who have a 6Plus, 7Plus and 8Plus still as well as the X and aren't budging.
 
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Android phones as a whole are doing quite fine. As with PCs, the individual companies producing Android phones face tough competition among themselves and their fortunes may vary. This also has the tendency, if they don't waste effort emulating everything Apple does (good and bad), for Android phones and PCs to innovate and improve. You'll occasionally get clunkers, like the Samsung Note 7, but gaffs like that provide lessons on what not to do (in this case, sacrifice battery safety for the sake of thinness of chassis). Comparing Apple fans to Android "fans" is more like comparing actual apples to citrus fruits. If you really like apples more than any other fruits, high quality oranges or grapefruits aren't going to change your mind; if you like lot of different citrus fruits, but don't care for apples, you might go for grapefruits sometimes and oranges at others, depending on the year and quality of each. You still likely won't buy apples, especially if they cost a lot. Apple's strength, and also its potential weakness, is that it has total control over both hardware and software. If the company gets things right, and produces high quality hardware wedded to tightly integrated software, that's a big advantage over Android phones and PC producers. It's only a weakness when Apple gets things wrong. Over the years, it was customary to pit Apple against Microsoft (and now Android) as a competitor. That was (and is) only a true comparison in regards to software. MS and Google only have peripheral control over PC and Android hardware - they specify a generalized hardware spec' required for their systems to run. Apple creates and controls its hardware spec' down to the smallest details. To truly compare Apple to non-Apple products is two pronged - iOS/MacOS vs Android/Windows/Linux; Apple devices vs Samsung/LG/Motorola/Dell/Lenovo/HP/System76/(etc). Apple will nearly always beat out individual non-Apple companies for hardware; not so with software, which is why Microsoft and Android command a large market.

Android only has a high market share because most of their sales are $50 “feature” phones. Those customers aren’t buying them because they run Android - they’re buying them because they’re inexpensive.

And those customers aren’t very valuable to the ecosystem (accessory makers, developers, content providers and so on).
 
Smart phones have become a commodity. Like a refrigerator, or a vacuum cleaner.

When people still had ice boxes and swept the floors with straw brooms, these items were exciting and new. Almost magical.

When was the last time someone busted a nut over a Frigidaire or a Hoover? It's a tool to get work done anymore.

Same thing happened to computers and smart phones. It's just another tool.

Who makes your socket set? Mac or Snap On? Dunno, hand me the 10mm. Shiet, the 10mm is missing.


The 10mm is ALWAYS missing, BTW....
Your first statement is completely untrue. People do not move in and out of iOS or use Android as a replacement, particularly in the US. Period.
 
Why they shouldn’t ? Apple has always positioned its products in the high end band of the market. What many people seem unable to understand, despite being quite obvious, it’s that when a company make this decision they are not going for market share. People that can’t afford > 800 dollars phone will never buy an iPhone, because they can’t. And it’s the majority of people. Perhaps privileged people forget sometimes how the world works and convince themselves it’s a matter of choosing the best model, while 90% of the time it’s a matter of fitting the budget. It’s not about innovation when you don’t have the money, it’s about what your wallet can afford. The great majority of smartphones sold are under 300 dollars phones, not the “innovative” phones, and that makes your point totally moot, because in all it’s history Apple has never made a product for the equivalent price band in any segments. Going for market share means offering a lot of products and accept very little profits for them. You. An innovate how much you want, most people in the world don’t have the money to buy innovation at 1000 dollars or at 750, because they can’t afford. Innovation as a reason to buy something it’s for a little minority of privileged people.

Coincidentally” Europe in the last many years is suffering a relatively big economic crisis and purchase power here is at its lowest. “Coincidentally”.
Doesn't change the numbers; infact Android is still doing 85.81% of the mobile OS market despite of the numbers:

http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/europe
 
Android has "85.81%" market share iOS has "13.21%" you can bitch and moan about "who" makes the money (a stupid arguement because anyone including YOU can use Android in a product; you can't make an iOS product). Are you telling me Apple are happy with these numbers?

http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/europe
Apple is happy with owning most of the profit in the space. Their strategy in mobile isn't market share above all else. Of course they'd like more share if it meant they could be as profitable, but they picked the correct strategy if they are making 90% of the profit.

Android only has 85% share because many of their phones are under $100.

You don't think Apple could make headway in market share if they cared about it more than profit? It's way harder to sell $1,000 phones than $50 phones.
 
Doesn't change the numbers; infact Android is still doing 85.81% of the mobile OS market despite of the numbers:

http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/europe

You’re really hung up on market share.

Too bad all those that count (like developers - which I mentioned originally) don’t care about market share. Which is why iOS makes developers 4X as much money as Android.

Edit: And what’s with linking a chart from Europe? Twice. Cherry pick much?
 
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