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Apple's U.S. Market Share Continues to Grow
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When it states it as 
Market Share are they referring to:
Combined:
Mac OS X (Computer and Server)
iPhone OS X (iPhone and iPod Touch)
or
Just Mac OS X (Computer and or Server)
If this is the case it could be the iPhone and iPod Touch contributing to the majority of the increase.
It states Mobile PC have the most growth, does this state that the iPhone and iPod Touch are considered a Mobile PC.
Market Share are they referring to:Combined:
Mac OS X (Computer and Server)
iPhone OS X (iPhone and iPod Touch)
or
Just Mac OS X (Computer and or Server)
If this is the case it could be the iPhone and iPod Touch contributing to the majority of the increase.
It states Mobile PC have the most growth, does this state that the iPhone and iPod Touch are considered a Mobile PC.
nice way of saying "no chance" .....
im getting tired of all these data already, every now and then apple put out some data from somewhere claiming itself good as gold, its been "outpace industry" for years. And still 8.5% in a quarter shipment...
I don't really care these number anymore. Apple is rich, i get that. next time show me global user base number when it reaches 10%, if ever.
this is great news!! but I hope Apple doesn't get too big, too big means Microsoft...Apple has to keep it's edge!
There's a big problem for Apple: the world doesn't end at the US border (as surprising as it may sound for some people).
I'm sorry, but I still see very difficult to justify a 1900 euro MBP versus a 600 euro HP or DELL if all I'm going to do is check my email, browse the internet and watch some videos. Because, and that's an absolute truth, most people don't use their computers for work,a nd even if they do, they use Office-like programs and little more. You don't need a Mac Pro or MBP for that.
If you are a gamer and you are ready to pay the extra price (instead of buying a PS3 or Xbox or whatever which are actually designed for that purpose), again Apple doesn't offer the right product anyway.
I'm European, and all people I know have computers at home, but no one owns a Mac. Only some of them use them at work. I work in Science and 10 years ago you couldn't see a PC in a lab: only the new PowerPC G3s were there (still one working in my former lab). Nowadays I would say is 50/50 and the tendency is to reduce the number of Macs, at least in some countries, and leave them for specific tasks. You have to do very specific things like Image/video/sound editing or use very demanding software in order to see a clear difference.
I'm sorry, but I still see very difficult to justify a 1900 euro MBP versus a 600 euro HP or DELL if all I'm going to do is check my email, browse the internet and watch some videos. Because, and that's an absolute truth, most people don't use their computers for work,a nd even if they do, they use Office-like programs and little more. You don't need a Mac Pro or MBP for that.
If you are a gamer and you are ready to pay the extra price (instead of buying a PS3 or Xbox or whatever which are actually designed for that purpose), again Apple doesn't offer the right product anyway.
I'm European, and all people I know have computers at home, but no one owns a Mac. Only some of them use them at work. I work in Science and 10 years ago you couldn't see a PC in a lab: only the new PowerPC G3s were there (still one working in my former lab). Nowadays I would say is 50/50 and the tendency is to reduce the number of Macs, at least in some countries, and leave them for specific tasks. You have to do very specific things like Image/video/sound editing or use very demanding software in order to see a clear difference.
huh? What do you work in science as ? a secretary?
Some of the best science software for Apple comes from scientists in Europe. Just check out what these guys have been doing
http://mekentosj.com/
I find it hard to believe that given here how many guys I know here tinker with OSX and/or Linux, and others that I know from Europe that what you are saying is just nonsense.
Thats exactly the type of people I would recommend an Apple for, either a macbook or an iMac. Why? No viruses, OS keeps going for years, less technical support needed. Why do so many people recommend macs to their mum / family relatives / granny?
I think if you look at the global market share the figures speak for themselves. Apple have an excellent customer base in the US which continues to grow - although I need to check to see if growth rate has increased or if it's running at the 35-40% for 2008 - but outside of that they're a minor player.
Insulting someone on the basis of anecdotal evidence when the sales data doesn't support your position isn't exactly clever.
iPhone as a computer
Arn/ Mods - is there any way of showing the projected iPhone 3G sales on top of this?
The Gartner numbers show per 1,000's sold - i.e. 1,000 on the numbers on the chart = 1,000,000 = 1 million. With Apple estimated to have sold > 1,000,000 handsets over the weekend alone, surely you could reclassify the iPhone as a Personal Computer that does telephony?
The figures are for a quarter. So From Table 1:
2008 Shipments based on quadrupling the estimate -Preliminary Worldwide PC Vendor Unit Shipment Estimates for 2008:
HP 52,112
Dell 44.8 million
Acer 27.0 million
Lenovo 22.3 million
Toshiba 12.5 million
Others 128.6million
Total 287.4 million
Looking at the US market, using Table 2:
Table 2
Preliminary U.S. PC Vendor Unit Shipment Estimates for 2Q08 (Thousands of Units)
2008 Shipments (as before, just quadrupling figures. It's a rough estimate, don't grumble!)
Dell 21.0 million
HP 16.6 million
Apple 5.5 million
Acer 5.3 million
Toshiba 3.6 million
Others 13.7 million
Total 66.0 million
Data includes desk-based PCs, mobile PCs and X86 servers.
So to put that another way, the iPhone 3G has *already* sold over a quarter of the units Toshiba plans is roughly projected to sell in the whole of 2008...
The iPhone can do VNC, it has a full blooded OS, so why not call at leasta personal computer by proxy?
Arn/ Mods - is there any way of showing the projected iPhone 3G sales on top of this?
The Gartner numbers show per 1,000's sold - i.e. 1,000 on the numbers on the chart = 1,000,000 = 1 million. With Apple estimated to have sold > 1,000,000 handsets over the weekend alone, surely you could reclassify the iPhone as a Personal Computer that does telephony?
The figures are for a quarter. So From Table 1:
2008 Shipments based on quadrupling the estimate -Preliminary Worldwide PC Vendor Unit Shipment Estimates for 2008:
HP 52,112
Dell 44.8 million
Acer 27.0 million
Lenovo 22.3 million
Toshiba 12.5 million
Others 128.6million
Total 287.4 million
Looking at the US market, using Table 2:
Table 2
Preliminary U.S. PC Vendor Unit Shipment Estimates for 2Q08 (Thousands of Units)
2008 Shipments (as before, just quadrupling figures. It's a rough estimate, don't grumble!)
Dell 21.0 million
HP 16.6 million
Apple 5.5 million
Acer 5.3 million
Toshiba 3.6 million
Others 13.7 million
Total 66.0 million
Data includes desk-based PCs, mobile PCs and X86 servers.
So to put that another way, the iPhone 3G has *already* sold over a quarter of the units Toshiba plans is roughly projected to sell in the whole of 2008...
The iPhone can do VNC, it has a full blooded OS, so why not call at leasta personal computer by proxy?
Are Apple going for maximum market share though?
They aren't a pile 'em high and sell 'em cheap manufacturer like Dell.
They will always be fairly niche, unless they drop the prices and go for hard sell.
But then they wouldn't be Apple. They'd just be another computer company.
They aren't a pile 'em high and sell 'em cheap manufacturer like Dell.
They will always be fairly niche, unless they drop the prices and go for hard sell.
But then they wouldn't be Apple. They'd just be another computer company.
I have seen them, sitting on shelves at wal-mart
But seriously, we had a couple of people at one company I worked with buy one for their personal use. they were asking our I/t shop why they couldn't use it for work as it kept freezing up.
Really, there a couple here or there - but even the casing and keyboard look and feel cheap. I seen maybe 1 or 2 in a couple of homes, but not really. I think they are at 8% as people may be buying them for their kids in elementary school as an introduction to a first computer. after all the ones I have seen are sub-$400
If Apple sold a sub-$1000 machine that is better than the mini - then they will over take market share, just on the better OS and the better software by 3rd-party vendors over what is available on windows.
However, I would not want to sacrifice quality to get there. right now (aside from Apple) there are 3 things lacking in the computer industry....
1. Good reliable systems.
2. Good Customer Service
3. Innovation.
Apple does a good job at all 3.
Apple could be number one, if there machines broke just before the warrenty period and Apple did not honor warrenties and gave hassles on trying to use your Apple care - forcing you to buy a new machine everytime (Hell, that is what Dell does - I have experienced it first hand).
But then again, who wants to be like that? Would you want to be another weed in the pile of doo doo, or would you want to be the beautiful Rose that everyone stops and looks at?
PLus, I think Acer only has marketshare listed so high because:
Acer Buys Gateway and eMachine - Club CDFreaks - Knowledge is PowerYo- Another acquisition that may be good for the consumer - or not-eh! Read about it here: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2175913,00.asp.
Acer buys 75% of Packard Bell parent - Network WorldJan 31, 2008 ... Taiwanese PC vendor Acer has purchased 75% of the parent company of European electronics maker Packard Bell for 31 million ($45.8 million), ...
www.networkworld.com/news/2008/013108-acer-buys-75-percent-of.html - 79k - Cached - Similar pages
Electronista | Acer buys E-TEN, leaps into smartphonesMar 3, 2008 ... News on - Acer buys E-TEN, leaps into smartphones.
www.electronista.com/articles/08/03/03/acer.buys.e.ten/ - 89k - Cached - Similar pages
Acer Buys Pivotal Networking - IT Channel - IT Channel News by CRN ...Boosting its networking portfolio, Acer Inc. has acquired Pivotal Networking Inc., a maker of multifunction access routers.
www.crn.com/it-channel/18805587 - 22k - Cached - Similar pages
Acer buys up Asian HP sales outfit
To compete the better with its competitors
MAJOR TAIWANESE MANUFACTURER Acer has bought a majority stake in a firm which sells Hewlett Packard kit in Taiwan.
The firm told the Economic News that it paid nearly seven and a half million US dollars for Ivan Information Technology, a spin off of HP that started on the island in 1992.
Acer will use the subsidiary to assist Hewlett Packard to compete with IBM in Taiwan and will provide computer services to distributors in the region.
But the tie up will also mean redundancies of products that Ivan was touting, and therefore quite probably a few jobs will lapse too.
Acer and HP will work together to sell products, some of which will be made by the Taiwanese company's subsidiary, Wistron
This is why Acer's numbers are so high... they are buying everything up and also assisting HP overseas. I bet all the company's sales numbers get rolled under Acer in the reports, which would be mis-leading
However, I would not want to sacrifice quality to get there. right now (aside from Apple) there are 3 things lacking in the computer industry....
1. Good reliable systems.
2. Good Customer Service
3. Innovation.
Apple does a good job at all 3.
Apple could be number one, if there machines broke just before the warrenty period and Apple did not honor warrenties and gave hassles on trying to use your Apple care - forcing you to buy a new machine everytime (Hell, that is what Dell does - I have experienced it first hand).
But then again, who wants to be like that? Would you want to be another weed in the pile of doo doo, or would you want to be the beautiful Rose that everyone stops and looks at?
PLus, I think Acer only has marketshare listed so high because:
Acer Buys Gateway and eMachine - Club CDFreaks - Knowledge is PowerYo- Another acquisition that may be good for the consumer - or not-eh! Read about it here: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2175913,00.asp.
Acer buys 75% of Packard Bell parent - Network WorldJan 31, 2008 ... Taiwanese PC vendor Acer has purchased 75% of the parent company of European electronics maker Packard Bell for 31 million ($45.8 million), ...
www.networkworld.com/news/2008/013108-acer-buys-75-percent-of.html - 79k - Cached - Similar pages
Electronista | Acer buys E-TEN, leaps into smartphonesMar 3, 2008 ... News on - Acer buys E-TEN, leaps into smartphones.
www.electronista.com/articles/08/03/03/acer.buys.e.ten/ - 89k - Cached - Similar pages
Acer Buys Pivotal Networking - IT Channel - IT Channel News by CRN ...Boosting its networking portfolio, Acer Inc. has acquired Pivotal Networking Inc., a maker of multifunction access routers.
www.crn.com/it-channel/18805587 - 22k - Cached - Similar pages
Acer buys up Asian HP sales outfit
To compete the better with its competitors
MAJOR TAIWANESE MANUFACTURER Acer has bought a majority stake in a firm which sells Hewlett Packard kit in Taiwan.
The firm told the Economic News that it paid nearly seven and a half million US dollars for Ivan Information Technology, a spin off of HP that started on the island in 1992.
Acer will use the subsidiary to assist Hewlett Packard to compete with IBM in Taiwan and will provide computer services to distributors in the region.
But the tie up will also mean redundancies of products that Ivan was touting, and therefore quite probably a few jobs will lapse too.
Acer and HP will work together to sell products, some of which will be made by the Taiwanese company's subsidiary, Wistron
This is why Acer's numbers are so high... they are buying everything up and also assisting HP overseas. I bet all the company's sales numbers get rolled under Acer in the reports, which would be mis-leading
I wonder when will they take that challenge? Here in Germany there is no Apple store. There is nearly no advertising and if there is advertising it is usually for iPod. Deparment stores and computer shops almost never sell Macs. You won't find Macs here in the edu sector (unless the institution is media or design related).
I work for a small games company. Whe have ported one of our games to the Mac, the GM is ready, but it was not even possible to find a distributor willing to sell the Mac version here. We are going to do it ourselves (online).
Christian
I dunno about that one. Granted, I haven't had that many problems, so things are ok. But, when I called to get help with the fact that my Macbook Pro was dropping wifi (a HUGE problem posted EVERYWHERE and affecting thousands) the three separate instances I called, they had no idea what I was talking about and no suggestion other than to reset my router.
Dell's sales figures
I wonder if Dell's sales figures are flawed and mis-leading in some sense.
Here is why:
Dell has teamed up with Goodwill Industries (state assisted program / thriftstore for those who have special employment needs -also offers programs to get welfare, former drug/alcohol addicted people, and handi-capped - skills and get them back into the work force). What happens here, is for every computer that is donated (regardless of brand) does not go directly on the store shelves. Instead, they are sent to Dell, where they strip all the working parts out of them, and then:
1. Sells or donates the parts separately back to goodwill to put on their shelves.
2. Assembles Older Dell Computers and sells them at goodwill (under a Dell Poster) for like $100. Listing the specs and what the computer would be good for.
I do not know how the program truely works - whether they are sold back to Goodwill as working computer, or Dell donates them back....... I would have to research the program more.
The Goodwill in Mount Airy NC has a large computer section with Dell Tested/Certified PC's. I was shocked that they had about 100 Linksys routers (the home blue ones that CompUsa used to sell for $70) for $10. they also had 6 Dell PC's that day selling for $100-$200. Most running XP.
This is one thing that I will not bash Dell for, as this type of program is needed in our area. I was kind of doing the same thing, except I was giving them away rather than re-selling them.
But I would hope that Dell is not figuring that into their sales firgures, as they are potentially reselling the same machine 2 or 3 times over.
I wonder if Dell's sales figures are flawed and mis-leading in some sense.
Here is why:
Dell has teamed up with Goodwill Industries (state assisted program / thriftstore for those who have special employment needs -also offers programs to get welfare, former drug/alcohol addicted people, and handi-capped - skills and get them back into the work force). What happens here, is for every computer that is donated (regardless of brand) does not go directly on the store shelves. Instead, they are sent to Dell, where they strip all the working parts out of them, and then:
1. Sells or donates the parts separately back to goodwill to put on their shelves.
2. Assembles Older Dell Computers and sells them at goodwill (under a Dell Poster) for like $100. Listing the specs and what the computer would be good for.
I do not know how the program truely works - whether they are sold back to Goodwill as working computer, or Dell donates them back....... I would have to research the program more.
The Goodwill in Mount Airy NC has a large computer section with Dell Tested/Certified PC's. I was shocked that they had about 100 Linksys routers (the home blue ones that CompUsa used to sell for $70) for $10. they also had 6 Dell PC's that day selling for $100-$200. Most running XP.
This is one thing that I will not bash Dell for, as this type of program is needed in our area. I was kind of doing the same thing, except I was giving them away rather than re-selling them.
But I would hope that Dell is not figuring that into their sales firgures, as they are potentially reselling the same machine 2 or 3 times over.
Apple does sell a sub $1000 machine
It's called an iphone, and while most people still want to look at it as a smartphone, I submit that it's the best way for Apple its platform into the hands of users outside of the US. They may never buy a Mac, but they sure will be using their iphone as an computing platform. And the biggest irony is all other sub $1000 systems have puny margins - Apple has figure out a way to do this with margins above 30%. Brilliant!
I would also like to see dollar share vs. unit share - that's one metric that can open a lot of eyes - throw in Apple's margins and you would see how Apple's >10% share could easily be more valuable that another companies > 20% share.
It's called an iphone, and while most people still want to look at it as a smartphone, I submit that it's the best way for Apple its platform into the hands of users outside of the US. They may never buy a Mac, but they sure will be using their iphone as an computing platform. And the biggest irony is all other sub $1000 systems have puny margins - Apple has figure out a way to do this with margins above 30%. Brilliant!
I would also like to see dollar share vs. unit share - that's one metric that can open a lot of eyes - throw in Apple's margins and you would see how Apple's >10% share could easily be more valuable that another companies > 20% share.
They're not - these are estimated new unit sales only and don't count the refurb market (which, if they did, wold also boost Apple's sales).
On a slightly different topic, does anyone have the absolute numbers for Apple PC sales for the last eight quarters? I'm trying to get a feel for whether the growth rate is accelerating or stable.
Sorry to ruin the party but in the same amount of time Vista gained 355% market share putting it from 4.54% to 16.14% -- that's more than double the Mac.
Because they are too lazy to give free tech support all the time!
(Quote from a Linux developer: The family has a Mac in the living room, so that I have time to play with the Linux box in the basement
)