Apple's U.S. Workforce Continues to Diversify Per Latest Federal Data

[dk001]

I don't see why it matters either way...

Just at a large tech event and the talk of promoting lots of women to the board basically astounds me, promote who ever from where ever based on ability nothing more or less.

Sadly base ability gets you onto the playing field, nothing else. After that it is who you know and the current political climate.

 

[macswitcha2]

Choosing someone because his skin color is correct is the worst form

Agreed. Seems the current day thinking by the media or special interest groups is that diversity should override qualifications.

What makes you think diversify means overlooking qualifications?

So it's very likely that I can get a job at Apple now because I'm not white. Yay for me!
[doublepost=1453210521][/doublepost]So it's very likely that I can get a job at Apple now because I'm not white. Yay for me!

If that's what the method of diversifying means but I highly doubt that's what it means. Getting a black person to be interviewed is half the battle I think.

How about the best person for the job? Based on skillset, character and work ethic.

Again, why is it assumed that diversifying would mean that the above criteria is neglected?

 

[bpeeps]

Suppose they start improving the equality with your job? It's easy to say, "let a few white guys suffer for the greater good" until it bites you in the butt.

Why is injustice against a few white guys acceptable?

White people aren't suffering.
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Seeing how it's been proven that women do get this kind of bias in their favor, I wouldn't think twice if the same applied to race as well. Here's a link if you don't believe me:
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/04/13/opinions/williams-ceci-women-in-science/index.html

Notice how the article is tagged as opinion, in the opinion section of the website, with no sources besides their own. Seems pretty unbiased to me. 🙄

 

[dk001]

Two potential employees.

One white one black

White one slightly more suited for the job
"Oh wait we need to be diverse, sorry white".

This is still racism. You're noticing someone's colour/race, when we are meant to ignore all that and take someone for who they are.

This has been going on since forever. The latest impact point is AA and female.

Example: (personal). I finished my military time (1988) and submitted to the local police department. Out of 400 applicants, I scored in at #2. There was one (1) opening for a white male (the #1 candidate was also a white male). There were significant openings (80) for other genders and races. This is nothing new, just a new area of the ballpark.

Yes, I call it discrimination from the other side however it isn't covered by the laws in the same fashion / form. 🙁

 

[macintologist]

To be honest, I don't know why someones skin color/genetalia is such a large concern when it comes to employment. All that should matter is that you reach the necessary qualifications. If that means you end up with an all asian, or an all black, or an all white group of employees, so be it. As long as they are doing their work, that is what should matter

This is fine to say, but show me one company in the tech industry that is majority black.

 

[unlinked]

This is fine to say, but show me one company in the tech industry that is majority black.

They are probably pretty common in countries that are majority black.

 

[nagromme]

Let's shed a tear for poor white males like me.

Don't worry, I'll be just fine 🙂

Racism exists. Changing hiring trends ARE a positive sign of the slowly changing, and should be applauded. If it troubles you, just give some money to a white male computer science major and feel good about setting things right.

I like the made-up scenarios where the while male is the more qualified one and gets a rejection. You realize you just invented that as a hypothetical? Here's another hypothetical: the white male is LESS qualified and gets the job anyway. Which of those two thought experiments do you think happens more at present? We have numbers on this...

 

[MacLC]

A day after we celebrated the man who told us to judge people based on the content of their character here we are, back to the mindset of judging Apple for hiring people based on the color of their skin so long as that color isn't white.

(BOOM) How true is that. MLK is a personal hero so it is sad to see people abusing his memory by evoking his name to promote the exact opposite of what he DREAMED.

 

[dk001]

This is surely what happens. /s

Have seen it and had to do it. 🙁

 

[HenryDJP]

This has been going on since forever. The latest impact point is AA and female.

Example: (personal). I finished my military time (1988) and submitted to the local police department. Out of 400 applicants, I scored in at #2. There was one (1) opening for a white male (the #1 candidate was also a white male). There were significant openings (80) for other genders and races. This is nothing new, just a new area of the ballpark.

Yes, I call it discrimination from the other side however it isn't covered by the laws in the same fashion / form. 🙁

Just to confirm your post, is this true that the police department can post jobs stating the position available is for a "white male"? How is this not against the law?

 

[felt.]

I think white males need to start a movement to demand equal rights.

 

[DUCKofD3ATH]

White people aren't suffering.
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Notice how the article is tagged as opinion, in the opinion section of the website, with no sources besides their own. Seems pretty unbiased to me. 🙄

If a white guy misses out on a job because he's white, how is he not suffering?

 

[0098386]

It's time we start seeing each other as simply that ... human beings.

Exactly. If the US wasn't such a racist place (don't worry, lots of places are but we're talking about Apple in this discussion) this strive for workplace diversity wouldn't be needed.

 

[DUCKofD3ATH]

Let's shed a tear for poor white males like me.

Don't worry, I'll be just fine 🙂

Racism exists. Changing hiring trends ARE a positive sign of the slowly changing, and should be applauded. If it troubles you, just give some money to a white male computer science major and feel good about setting things right.

I like the made-up scenarios where the while male is the more qualified one and gets a rejection. You realize you just invented that as a hypothetical? Here's another hypothetical: the white male is LESS qualified and gets the job anyway. Which of those two thought experiments do you think happens more at present? We have numbers on this...

Discrimination is against the law. Can't get anymore fair than that.

Do you honestly believe that prejudice will disappear when work and school is diverse? Do you think minorities don't harbor prejudices?
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Exactly. If the US wasn't such a racist place (don't worry, lots of places are but we're talking about Apple in this discussion) this strive for workplace diversity wouldn't be needed.

It amazes me how the comfortable are so quick to decide who succeeds and who fails.

 

[0098386]

Suppose they start improving the equality with your job? It's easy to say, "let a few white guys suffer for the greater good" until it bites you in the butt.

Why is injustice against a few white guys acceptable?

I own a private company. And I already look "further afield" as it were when it comes to hiring new talent. But also you assume I'm a white guy? I didn't have it easy in my own country because my family isn't from here originally, that's why I run my own company instead of trying to work for someone else.

 

[Jason83]

This is surely what happens. /s

It does, they just don't tell you that straight up.

 

[bpeeps]

If a white guy misses out on a job because he's white, how is he not suffering?

Because he never missed out on the job because of his race. Someone really needs to college level 101 walk you through what diversity and privilege is. It doesn't mean hiring uneducated and unqualified minorities to fill quota like you think it does.

 

[MacLC]

I like the made-up scenarios where the while male is the more qualified one and gets a rejection. You realize you just invented that as a hypothetical? Here's another hypothetical: the white male is LESS qualified and gets the job anyway. Which of those two thought experiments do you think happens more at present? We have numbers on this...

Both are wrong but in many cases, such as college entrance in the US, where "yellow" and "white" people are "overrepresented", the state's own policy is to discriminate against the "yellow" and "white" people.
University of California regents and other execs have gone on public record defending that discrimination.
Hapas get double screwed. Such is life. The other freedoms in the US make up for that though, for now.

 

[0098386]

It amazes me how the comfortable are so quick to decide who succeeds and who fails.

I'm comfortable as well as white now? Please don't assume anything. If you're unsure about me please ask.

 

[DUCKofD3ATH]

I own a private company. And I already look "further afield" as it were when it comes to hiring new talent. But also you assume I'm a white guy? I didn't have it easy in my own country because my family isn't from here originally, that's why I run my own company instead of trying to work for someone else.

Empathize much? Can't you put yourself in someone's shoes who's being passed over for an opportunity because his ancestors may have done wrong?

 

[Precision Gem]

Years ago I worked for a division of General Motors in the engineering department. Myself and 4 other white males were let go, to be replaced by minorities. Is that discrimination based on race and gender? Or it doesn't count as it is discriminating against a white male.

 

[\-V-/]

Exactly. If the US wasn't such a racist place (don't worry, lots of places are but we're talking about Apple in this discussion) this strive for workplace diversity wouldn't be needed.

Racism is everywhere, sadly ... but it still seems incredibly rampant in the U.S..

 

[0098386]

Empathize much? Can't you put yourself in someone's shoes who's being passed over for an opportunity because his ancestors may have done wrong?

I'm going to pass over someone to hire someone who has, historically and recently, been passed over because of their religion, gender, background.
Like I said earlier if we do achieve a completely equal society then this won't be a problem and we won't need to even consider diversity when hiring. Don't you agree? What are you doing to try and balance out the inequality in your country, or industry?

 

[DUCKofD3ATH]

I'm going to pass over someone to hire someone who has, historically and recently, been passed over because of their religion, gender, background.
Like I said earlier if we do achieve a completely equal society then this won't be a problem and we won't need to even consider diversity when hiring. Don't you agree? What are you doing to try and balance out the inequality in your country, or industry?

You make discrimination illegal. Anything you do after that to favor one person over another based on skin color is hypocritical and racist.

 

[unlinked]

Just to confirm your post, is this true that the police department can post jobs stating the position available is for a "white male"? How is this not against the law?

I love how you think it might be illegal to have 1 job advertised for a white male not that 80 were advertised as not open to white males.