Apple's Workforce is Slightly More Diverse This Year

[oneMadRssn]

I will never understand the significance of reports such as this. Yes, diversity is a wonderful thing and shouldn't even be an issue in 2016 - but surely the person most qualified should be given the job, regardless of whether they are black, white, gay, straight or whatever you like.

Oh who gives a flying Rattata. Just hire good people. End of story.

I feel like we have this conversation every year.

Lots of people say the best person for the job should be hired, regardless of non-work related characteristics like race and gender.

The issue is that even if a company is hiring without considering those factors, disparaging results occur. The issue starts from the bottom, but it should be addressed from both the bottom and the top.

For example
- The % of women engineers at Apple should be approximately the % of women graduating with engineering degrees (it's actually less).
- The % of women graduating from engineering school should be about the % of women engineering engineering school (it's also less).
- The % of women entering engineering school should be close to the % of women earning high-school diplomas (it's a lot less).

Why is that, at each of these above stages, the % drops off for women?

It shows that college recruiters aren't doing a good job recruiting women into this important education, that college administrators aren't doing a good job supporting women students, and that hiring managers at huge companies aren't doing a good job recruiting women. Changes must be made at each stage, from college admissions to hiring practices in the private sector.

There is so much more to ensuring proper diversity than just "not considering race, gender, or religion" during the hiring process.

 

[melendezest]

So what happens when whites are a minority? Will our rights be protected? Doubt it

YES.

Why?

Because if whites in America become the minority (non-power-wielding, that is) they will be in a system where those making decisions will have a first-hand experience and understanding of what it is like to be the victim of racism.

 

[smokesletsgo]

I agree 100%.

The problem, however, lies in the fact that those doing the hiring are human beings, which grow up in the under-the-rug-hush-hush racist society that is the United States today, and thus are subject to their sub-conscious pollution of the mind.

Therefore, all things (qualifications) being equal, people would still hire whites over non-whites, which is the reason why these issues get reported on now and there are programs trying to mitigate them.

Until we ADMIT to ourselves that the problem exists, we will NEVER be able to fully overcome it.

A racist in a position of hiring people will NEVER admit he/she is a racist. Many people honestly don't even realize they are racist themselves.

So again, I'm with you. But hiring someone is often subjective, and that is why you interview and not just submit a form and call it good.

While there may be true racists, overall I highly doubt any person hiring would deny a useful, preeminent blackman/asian/mexican/whatever just because of his race, it's stupid. No sane, rational individual cares about race instead of company's success.

Race is simply a scapegoat and it's exploited hard by minorities. Not to mention this victim mentality feeds racism itself.

 

[melendezest]

Um excuse me??? Putting these thugs in to jobs will just cause riots and looting!!!!!!

We need to go back to hiring purely on merit! When my father got me a job in his business I'd earned it, I didn't even cry when he got me a lamborghini instead of a maserati for the 3rd anniversary of me failing at business school. Pablo can keep mopping the floors until he learns some work ethic!!!!!

The DONALD is in the house!!!

Freakin' hilarious, mate.

 

[JamesPDX]

What if employers eliminated any and all boxes to check on employment applications? Perhaps even residential addresses, too? How would that go? How much AI is involved with making the short-list? -Like when you apply for a credit card online: A human is not making that 5-second decision, a bot is. Probably the same for pre-screening prospective employees. Three words: Resume. Keyword. Scanning.

There are no races:

"Whatever, just wash your hands..."

 

[melendezest]

There is no problem. People like you and who scream "RAYCISSS" every time they fail at something are making this a problem.

While there may be true racists, overall I highly doubt any person hiring would deny a useful blackman/asian/mexican/whatever just because of his race, it's stupid.

Race is simply a scapegoat for failed people and it's exploited hard by minorities. Not to mention this victim mentality feeds racism itself.

Thank you for making my point, and not understanding a WORD I posted.

 

[RedOrchestra]

they will be in a system where those making decisions will have a first-hand experience and understanding of what it is like to be the victim of racism.

I'm not sure that theory is working out, as you say, in South Africa, where the country is now ruled by the majority but there remains a severe imbalance between the rich and the poor within that majority.

 

[thisisnotmyname]

Oh who gives a flying Rattata. Just hire good people. End of story.

That will happen when Rattata fly.

(I don't really have anything to say about your statement, just wanted to talk about Ratata and their inability to fly)

 

[derek4484]

Who cares?! Simply hire the best person for the job and who cares about gender or race or sexual orientation?
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Yet somehow throughout history the opposite has happened. The top positions in companies are mostly white males who aren't the majority in America. If you really want to reflect the US, then most positions should be held by white women.

That's stupid. White males are the demographic that has the majority of the qualifications to hold these top positions. Like it or not white males make up the majority of people with advanced business degrees and decades of experience. That is why they hold the positions.

 

[melendezest]

I'm not sure that theory is working out, as you say, in South Africa, where the country is now ruled by the majority but there remains a severe imbalance between the rich and the poor within that majority.

Hence my caveat of "non-power-wielding". Money is power, after all.

That said, my post was based within the confines of the US's cultural history, background, and dynamics.

I cannot speak for SA, but I'm pretty sure these things are quite different there.

 

[Cineplex]

Eliminate racism by classifying race. Genius.

People always need a cause. Even when there is nothing to have a cause over.

 

[indychris]

So the picture used to celebrate diversity is a photo of three african-american women?

I'm with Freeman. This whole issue has a much greater chance of becoming a non-issue if we'd simply stop searching every nook and cranny for the opportunity to make it an issue.

 

[blackcrayon]

So what happens when whites are a minority? Will our rights be protected? Doubt it

At least you're admitting that rights are not currently protected for non-whites. LOL. Better than the standard "we're all equal, just don't treat me like THEM!" mentality...

 

[2010mini]

That's stupid. White males are the demographic that has the majority of the qualifications to hold these top positions. Like it or not white males make up the majority of people with advanced business degrees and decades of experience. That is why they hold the positions.

Wow. Do you even know how ignorant of history that sounds?

 

[melendezest]

So the picture used to celebrate diversity is a photo of three african-american women?

I'm with Freeman. This whole issue has a much greater chance of becoming a non-issue if we'd simply stop searching every nook and cranny for the opportunity to make it an issue.

I agree.

It should be reported if someone or an Agency specifically asks.

That said, I believe the US is in a catch-22 situation: the cultural division will continue to infect the labor force distribution.

It probably comes with living in a non-homogeneous society, so we should keep trying to eliminate it while accepting that there will always be a jackass out there who's teaching their kids racist garbage.

Racism in the US military is actually illegal. Displaying the rebel flag anywhere on-base, for example, is an offence. Where I live, I have to drive past a giant one on my way to and from work, every day.

There are still racists in the military though, I encountered plenty (not just white, either). But the military culture allows you to overcome the household indoctrination through first-hand experience, which takes time. I actually had good friends who admitted that was the case for them (grew up in a racist household).

In the civilian community this becomes way, way more difficult, as people generally segregate themselves based on what they have in common. But we're making progress, no question. Slowly, but surely.

So in the end, I hope this is simply a matter of time. There are good and bad people. Period. Race has nothing to do with it.

 

[KdParker]

I would argue that Apple is TOO diverse.

Whites make up 72% of America, yet Apple has only 56%?
Asians make up 4.75% of America, yet Apple has a whopping 19%?

wow...so there should be a quotas based on race?

 

[cableguy84]

At least you're admitting that rights are not currently protected for non-whites. LOL. Better than the standard "we're all equal, just don't treat me like THEM!" mentality...

You see what they do to whites in zimbabwe? O let's not talk about that , doesn't fit the anti white agenda

 

[KdParker]

Sad to see meritocracy get ignored by top companies for the sake of pants to skirts ratio.

There are so many things wrong with that statement. Not even sure where to start.
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So what happens when whites are a minority? Will our rights be protected? Doubt it

So what is your point exactly? No one should have their right protected, because you might not be part of the majority someday?

 

[bladerunner2000]

There are so many things wrong with that statement. Not even sure where to start.

So start. Tell us why meritocracy should be abolished in favour of handouts.

 

[Urban Joe]

Why does there have to be an invisible hand to enforce some subjective model of diversity? This whole diversity agenda is nothing but sugar coated racism. In an inclusive society it should be a non-issue and using the power of the federal government to force each and every workplace to conform to some concocted version of what things should be is very divisive. If you don't realized there are hidden agendas behind centralized social engineering you need to find better sources of information. The mainstreem media and most social media will have you living in a fantasy land where your thoughts and emotions are manipulated like a person under hypnosis.

 

[SBlue1]

The person most qualified should be given the job, regardless of whether they are black, white, gay, straight or whatever you like.

Yeah, in a perfect world.

Just as an example. In Germany, if a totally equally qualified man and a woman apply for a job, the job must go to the woman. The brother of my wife is a recruiter, and he just told us that he does not want women. They may get pregnant and leave for a year or two so he has to recruit again. But with that law he has to take women if they are really talented. This may help women and I support this since I saw how hard it was for my wife to find a job when we had no kids. Oh and to piss of recruiters, more and more German men stay at home after birth. Modern times.

 

[sudo1996]

I'm so sick of all this diversity crap.

LISTEN UP, APPLE: the only thing that matters is merit. If 100% of your workers are white, male and middle-aged, I couldn't be more delighted, as long as they are hired on merit and merit alone.

To be pro-diversity is to be anti-merit. It's no wonder Apple is going to hell in a handcart with Tim Cook at the helm and his insufferable prejudice against hiring the best man for the job.

I don't think Apple really cares or does anything about it. The numbers don't suggest that they're favoring certain races or gender. This is more of an issue at private schools.
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So what happens when whites are a minority? Will our rights be protected? Doubt it

Whites are the minority at the university I attend, and I haven't seen any protests over rights for whites. There's nothing public sector discriminating against them here, but there definitely things that would cause uproar if they were the other way around. For example, many private scholarships do not allow white applicants.

 

[bladerunner2000]

Yeah, in a perfect world.

Just as an example. In Germany, if a totally equally qualified man and a woman apply for a job, the job must go to the woman. The brother of my wife is a recruiter, and he just told us that he does not want women. They may get pregnant and leave for a year or two so he has to recruit again. But with that law he has to take women if they are really talented. This may help women and I support this since I saw how hard it was for my wife to find a job when we had no kids. Oh and to piss of recruiters, more and more German men stay at home after birth. Modern times.

That's just sexism but nobody has the balls to call it out because they fear the wrath of the likes Anita Sarkeesian and other new age social justice warriors that favour women but not actual equality.

 

[Toutou]

As a completely sane European I can't even believe anyone would waste their time on this diversity ********. Who the hell cares? They're supposed to sell computers and phones. I don't give a damn if there are 99% female midgets, three Italian barbers and one transgender antelope.

 

[nt5672]

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It shows that college recruiters aren't doing a good job recruiting women into this important education, that college administrators aren't doing a good job supporting women students, and that hiring managers at huge companies aren't doing a good job recruiting women. Changes must be made at each stage, from college admissions to hiring practices in the private sector.

It is just ignorance to suppose that hiring ratios should have the same racial, sexual, etc. percentage as anything. What if women in general do not want to be engineers? Hiring practices have favored certain people over others for 100s of years without it being racism, sexism, etc. If someone wants to hire someone less qualified because they are more similar to themselves, then they will. It is up the company or organization to make sure the people they put in charge of hiring are hiring the best candidates. That check happens with hiring reviews, not meeting percentages. Hiring practices 100 years ago even excluded qualified whites, unless they attended the correct school, knew the right person, etc. Diversity is a made up term used to separate people and set preferences that force the hiring of those less qualified. Any time you say, "We have to hire that person in order to increase the number of minorities, females, etc., we have on staff", you have just exhibited racism, sexism, etc. These terms define selecting someone based on their physical characteristics, rather than the best match to the job requirements.