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nt5672

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. . . . At least in the workplace, once I saw going through the system wasn't going to help me, I decided it was okay to take care of it myself with a well placed elbow to the most obnoxious creep's gut and a hard stomp with a sharp heel to his foot. But that is assault and I am lucky he didn't report me and have me arrested!

Good for you. To your latter point, you usually don't have to worry about being reported because the people that behave this way are usually ignorant weak cowards. They may try to hid it, but its there. They only prey on what they think are weaker people because they have been given authority they did not deserve and they think they can get away with it. I would not feel bad about the elbow or heel one bit, not that I, in this politically correct world, would ever recommend or approve of violence, except in self defense.
 
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When you seek diversity, hopefully it's based on who's best instead of who's different.
Well, no. I seek out those who find it difficult to get work in our industry based on its historic lack of diversity. And in turn that has been wonderful to us. We're only small but due to the popularity of our work it's no problem to take a few months off to relax or whatever. As I say - it's done well for us.
 
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The ignorance is your assumption that the the minorities in question are not EQUALLY QUALIFIED candidates. You automatically assume they are just doing this to fill a quota. And are "lowering" their standards to do so. Why do you think that? Hmmmm????

Minorities can't be hired because they are equally qualified? They can only be hired to fill a quota or dress up an image?
God damn...You're killing me. I never made that assumption. I simply pointed out what Apple and other companies have to do these days for improving their diversity numbers.

You're exactly why it's hard to fight for minorities and underrepresented groups because you're so worried about being on their good side and being PC about everything that you're actually doing more harm than good.
 

2010mini

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God damn...You're killing me. I never made that assumption. I simply pointed out what Apple and other companies have to do these days for improving their diversity numbers.

You're exactly why it's hard to fight for minorities and underrepresented groups because you're so worried about being on their good side and being PC about everything that you're actually doing more harm than good.

And you are still being thick headed. Companies do not have to just hire any minority just to fill a quota. There are many qualified minorities the world over they can hire. They do not have to lower any standards to do so. Any that do are idiots and deserve to fail.

To see PC in any employer that reaches out to qualified minorities is twisted. And frankly insulting. I myself have come across that attitude. After working my ass off... Coming in early. Staying late. Taking on additional tasks. I still find morons who think I got my job/promotion because of my skin colour.
 
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And you are still being thick headed. Companies do not have to just hire any minority just to fill a quota. There are many qualified minorities the world over they can hire. They do not have to lower any standards to do so. Any that do are idiots and deserve to fail.

To see PC in any employer that reaches out to qualified minorities is twisted. And frankly insulting. I myself have come across that attitude. After working my ass off... Coming in early. Staying late. Taking on additional tasks. I still find morons who think I got my job/promotion because of my skin colour.
Still missing the point... I never said there weren't minorities who work just as hard or harder than their white colleagues. To assume such a thing would be an antiquated and asinine mentality. However, you have to admit that companies are worried about their diversity numbers. Those numbers can mean big money from the government in the form of grants, tax breaks, and perhaps even things we haven't heard of yet because they're such astronomically large amounts of money.

All that being said, do you really still think that a company as powerful and secretive as Apple wouldn't do whatever they had to in order to get those financial perks? Over-hiring under-qualified minorities suddenly doesn't seem so far fetched now, does it?
 

2010mini

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Still missing the point... I never said there weren't minorities who work just as hard or harder than their white colleagues. To assume such a thing would be an antiquated and asinine mentality. However, you have to admit that companies are worried about their diversity numbers. Those numbers can mean big money from the government in the form of grants, tax breaks, and perhaps even things we haven't heard of yet because they're such astronomically large amounts of money.

All that being said, do you really still think that a company as powerful and secretive as Apple wouldn't do whatever they had to in order to get those financial perks? Over-hiring under-qualified minorities suddenly doesn't seem so far fetched now, does it?

Neither is hiring under-qualified whites. As I said, they do not have to resort to that. Not in this day and age where talent can be found the world over. Any employer that uses the excuse that finding talented minorities to fill positions is hard, is being extremely lazy in their hiring process. You might've gotten away with that excuse 30+ years ago. But not today.
 

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God damn...You're killing me. I never made that assumption. I simply pointed out what Apple and other companies have to do these days for improving their diversity numbers.

You're exactly why it's hard to fight for minorities and underrepresented groups because you're so worried about being on their good side and being PC about everything that you're actually doing more harm than good.

If it were that simple, it clearly is not. Especially when companies with better products don't always make it to the top of the industry. Otherwise everyone would then have to admit that Windows is better than MacOS, Linux, OS/2, BeOS, AmigaOS - how long a list would people like in terms of comparing competition based solely on product quality and not on what's most sold? Or TV shows, just because it's actually good doesn't mean it's well liked...
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Neither is hiring under-qualified whites. As I said, they do not have to resort to that. Not in this day and age where talent can be found the world over. Any employer that uses the excuse that finding talented minorities to fill positions is hard, is being extremely lazy in their hiring process. You might've gotten away with that excuse 30+ years ago. But not today.

Found? Or trained in? (And often by people who spent a hell of a lot more money...) And if the goal is to raise a standard of living worldwide, then how come so many more people have seen theirs decline, even those being trained in after a certain point? But, like details, facts are useless things - at least to Reagan's followers.
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How "diverse" is the executive staff?... is diversity measured by the employment of underlings?

I'm sure one of the folk around here will finally answer that question. I've a few theories but choose not to bring any up. Assuming we're not on the same page, that is... :)
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Ever notice how "diversity" pushers ignore facts, evidence and thousands of yeas of evolution?

Hire by relevant talent with honeable skill, not by skin color regardless of ability. Many fields require unique intelligence types or other innate traits that not everybody is born with. That much has been true since day 001. How we treat workers is no less important than putting their traits to profitable use. Our economy should make use of people, not make them disposable. Is that a bad thing?
 
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