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Appleworks Updated to 6.2.9
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I like Appleworks. I also like scroll wheels. It is sort of strange that it didn't work with scroll wheels before. Oh well all for the better now.
U Let it GO! (Re: Let it go....)
it is NO old argument - it is a FACT that a 2nd or 3rd mouse button is missing.
u know how crap it is to use an ibook without a mouse - oh man.
"Simplicity. The original designers of the Macintosh wanted the user to be able to learn to use the computer simply by watching. If you have multiple buttons its not as easy to learn. And yes I realize that learning to use a multi-button mouse isn't THAT hard but there are more factors.""
this is what i CAN understand partly,
still 2 buttons and a wheel that CANT be used as a 3rd button is really "LEARNABLE"
put the wheel at the thumb to the left (or right for lefthanders), add 2 buttons in the middle or add a 3 buttons mose in the BTO options that is exactly the same but got 3 buttons for 49 more.
ppl that dont NEED it wont ADD it.
i know that many ppl get confused on 5button mice with 2 wheels and crap.
"Need. The average computer user doesn't NEED a second button or a scroll wheel. "
thats really crap - while there is NO NEED for scrollwheels, they can make life easier, esp. for stupid noob users who use their mouse for everything.
"Yes those of us who regularly visit these forums probably do, but you have to remember, we aren't a very good sample of the whole Mac community. "
totally true, still i think ONCE mousewheel that DOESNT function as a button and one button more for right click is really useful AS WELL AS learnable.
"We represent the high end users, so its a bad idea to assume that our needs reflect the needs of all Mac users."
personally i like your type of switching positions to other ppls perspective.
still you are wrong
"No market. Face it, there are a TON of great third party mice/trackballs out there."
thats true, but an apple mouse is an apple mouse, and maybe peeps want a mouse that looks like the rest of their machine - esp apple users.
i would include a mouse with 2 button and nonbutton scrollwheel and would add a bto for a 3button mouse with separate nonbutton wheel
Kensington, Logitech, Macally, Microsoft even make great USB mice from the most basic to the most advanced of features in a huge price range.
MX550 rox - what i dislike is that the material goes away where my thumb is after a while :<
"Why should Apple spend the time and money creating something that it doesn't need to."
the R&D costs for a new mice wont exceed those they had for the G5 ;p
(what i wanted to say: it wont be a problem i guess)
"So quit waiting for Apple to make an uber mouse, spend $15 and you can find a nice multi-button, scroll wheel, optical mouse, or spend more money to get all the bells and whistles. "
i want it all in one package.
i dont wanna go out and buy a mouse, look if the mac drivers are shipped with it, argue that it doesnt look like the rest of us... eh the rest of my mac.
futher i want my mouse to be part of the 3yrs warrenty covered by applecare ;p
it is NO old argument - it is a FACT that a 2nd or 3rd mouse button is missing.
u know how crap it is to use an ibook without a mouse - oh man.
"Simplicity. The original designers of the Macintosh wanted the user to be able to learn to use the computer simply by watching. If you have multiple buttons its not as easy to learn. And yes I realize that learning to use a multi-button mouse isn't THAT hard but there are more factors.""
this is what i CAN understand partly,
still 2 buttons and a wheel that CANT be used as a 3rd button is really "LEARNABLE"
put the wheel at the thumb to the left (or right for lefthanders), add 2 buttons in the middle or add a 3 buttons mose in the BTO options that is exactly the same but got 3 buttons for 49 more.
ppl that dont NEED it wont ADD it.
i know that many ppl get confused on 5button mice with 2 wheels and crap.
"Need. The average computer user doesn't NEED a second button or a scroll wheel. "
thats really crap - while there is NO NEED for scrollwheels, they can make life easier, esp. for stupid noob users who use their mouse for everything.
"Yes those of us who regularly visit these forums probably do, but you have to remember, we aren't a very good sample of the whole Mac community. "
totally true, still i think ONCE mousewheel that DOESNT function as a button and one button more for right click is really useful AS WELL AS learnable.
"We represent the high end users, so its a bad idea to assume that our needs reflect the needs of all Mac users."
personally i like your type of switching positions to other ppls perspective.
still you are wrong
"No market. Face it, there are a TON of great third party mice/trackballs out there."
thats true, but an apple mouse is an apple mouse, and maybe peeps want a mouse that looks like the rest of their machine - esp apple users.
i would include a mouse with 2 button and nonbutton scrollwheel and would add a bto for a 3button mouse with separate nonbutton wheel
Kensington, Logitech, Macally, Microsoft even make great USB mice from the most basic to the most advanced of features in a huge price range.
MX550 rox
- what i dislike is that the material goes away where my thumb is after a while :<"Why should Apple spend the time and money creating something that it doesn't need to."
the R&D costs for a new mice wont exceed those they had for the G5 ;p
(what i wanted to say: it wont be a problem i guess)
"So quit waiting for Apple to make an uber mouse, spend $15 and you can find a nice multi-button, scroll wheel, optical mouse, or spend more money to get all the bells and whistles. "
i want it all in one package.
i dont wanna go out and buy a mouse, look if the mac drivers are shipped with it, argue that it doesnt look like the rest of us... eh the rest of my mac.
futher i want my mouse to be part of the 3yrs warrenty covered by applecare ;p
about iWrite/iOffice/iWorks
while i dislike ms and while office and its propertary ****ty formats are a pain in arse i dont see any better office package around for mac os x.
nomral office peeps need
Word
Exel
PowerPoint
(some need Access and some need Workgroup stuff)
if apple released an Office Suit, lets say for 49 or 99 ;p - shipped free with each major mac os x version that would include following - then there might be the right time for a switch:
-Word with all the most used features MS Word offers + support for the OpenOffice format + its own format that need to be opened + pdf editing capabilites + 100% ms word import and export of version 2k3, xp, 2k, 97, (95/6)
-Exel with all the most used features of MS exel + 100% import and export of version 2k3, xp, 2k, 97, (95/6) + capabilities or reading writing OOffice
-powerpoint, same as above
+ workgroup support, with checkins, checkouts, user based document comments, access and edititing right management and all the stuff.
if they really brought it out i would ship it for 49 or 99.
there would be the need for the server (to use the project/workgroup features)
if you worked in workgroups / companies which would bring in some money for the development.
for sure they could sell it for 99
i guess the day apple releases such an app will never come ;p
but who knows.
while i dislike ms and while office and its propertary ****ty formats are a pain in arse i dont see any better office package around for mac os x.
nomral office peeps need
Word
Exel
PowerPoint
(some need Access and some need Workgroup stuff)
if apple released an Office Suit, lets say for 49 or 99 ;p - shipped free with each major mac os x version that would include following - then there might be the right time for a switch:
-Word with all the most used features MS Word offers + support for the OpenOffice format + its own format that need to be opened + pdf editing capabilites + 100% ms word import and export of version 2k3, xp, 2k, 97, (95/6)
-Exel with all the most used features of MS exel + 100% import and export of version 2k3, xp, 2k, 97, (95/6) + capabilities or reading writing OOffice
-powerpoint, same as above
+ workgroup support, with checkins, checkouts, user based document comments, access and edititing right management and all the stuff.
if they really brought it out i would ship it for 49 or 99.
there would be the need for the server (to use the project/workgroup features)
if you worked in workgroups / companies which would bring in some money for the development.
for sure they could sell it for 99
i guess the day apple releases such an app will never come ;p
but who knows.
The are other alternatives.
Nisus writer has been updated for OSX, but it has a fraction of its former options. It can now use Word files for those who are interested. But, it will be awhile before it will be back to its former glory.
I am happy with Think Free on my iBook 600. It handles the basics. AppleWorks is just pathetic. Sad.
Nisus writer has been updated for OSX, but it has a fraction of its former options. It can now use Word files for those who are interested. But, it will be awhile before it will be back to its former glory.
I am happy with Think Free on my iBook 600. It handles the basics. AppleWorks is just pathetic. Sad.
With Apple releasing this date it shows that Apple hasn't forgotten about AppleWorks and may be working on v7 as we speak.
Actually 4.0 was the last version with any major new features. After that, all of the original developers left the project, and Apple basically put the project in maintenance mode. There were later negotiations for bringing the original team back, but they didn't quite pan out. More info at http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bob/clarisworks.php.
It's a real shame ClarisWorks/AppleWorks has been left to slowly decay. It used to be really cool, honest!
It's of interest that on the Apple home page iLife '04 is billed as "Microsoft Office for the rest of us." Odd that Apple make use of the Empire's name .... unless they are planning to scrap Appleworks and the new Office 11 will be more Apple-like, with services compatibility, integration with Address Book and iCal, etc., with Apple conceding that Office is just going to be the default word processor / spreadsheet, etc., henceforth.
Well, I managed a kernel panic from the installer with other things running.
There were over 1300 things installed, mostly .htm files. Even in maintenance mode, I'm glad they're working on it minimally. I wish they'd fix the Japanese support though. Characters have been cut off since the Mac OS X version.
There were over 1300 things installed, mostly .htm files. Even in maintenance mode, I'm glad they're working on it minimally. I wish they'd fix the Japanese support though. Characters have been cut off since the Mac OS X version.
I don't love this program nor hate it, i just hated the fact that scrolling wasn't incorporated into it, other than that its okay and all i need.
Apple read my mind. I've been using AppleWorks more than usual the last two weeks, and I was getting more and more annoyed at the lack of scrollwheel support. Given how old it is, I really wasn't expecting Apple to make changes to this product. Thanks, Apple!
Re: Let it go....
As others will doubtlessly point out: What about laptops!??! I don't want to be carrying around a mouse with me everywhere I go and to be brutally harsh if someone is stupid enough that they can't figure out what a right mouse button does after 5 minutes of use they need to be cut out of the gene pool anyways. Survival of the fittest digital style. They need to be put into a foam room because they probably hurt themselves on all those sharp corners out there in the big bad world.
For the love of god people this is a right mouse click! We arent talking brain surgery here. ALL functionality of a mouse should remain on the mouse. Having a secondary key that needs to be pressed on a keyboard to use the mouse is counterintuitive. The fact of the matter is that the single button mouse is being called easier because its what people know. Have a Windows person jump on a Mac for the first time and I can almost guarantee you they will be baffled with the what was it? alt? ctrl? button mouse button combo to right click. God knows the first time I walked into the apple store it took me 3 minutes to figure out which button it was that gave you the right mouse click. LOL its not even marked on the keyboard. So much for ease of use.
As others will doubtlessly point out: What about laptops!??! I don't want to be carrying around a mouse with me everywhere I go and to be brutally harsh if someone is stupid enough that they can't figure out what a right mouse button does after 5 minutes of use they need to be cut out of the gene pool anyways. Survival of the fittest digital style. They need to be put into a foam room because they probably hurt themselves on all those sharp corners out there in the big bad world.
For the love of god people this is a right mouse click! We arent talking brain surgery here. ALL functionality of a mouse should remain on the mouse. Having a secondary key that needs to be pressed on a keyboard to use the mouse is counterintuitive. The fact of the matter is that the single button mouse is being called easier because its what people know. Have a Windows person jump on a Mac for the first time and I can almost guarantee you they will be baffled with the what was it? alt? ctrl? button mouse button combo to right click. God knows the first time I walked into the apple store it took me 3 minutes to figure out which button it was that gave you the right mouse click. LOL its not even marked on the keyboard. So much for ease of use.
Can anyone help me get the AppleWorks update .smi icon off of my desktop?
I tried to download the update, but IE crashed.
I decided I didn't need it anyway, so I ditched it from the Download Manager.
Now I can't throw away the icon.
I get a message saying, in effect, the item is being used by another task right now.
Anyone have a suggestion?
tia
I tried to download the update, but IE crashed.
I decided I didn't need it anyway, so I ditched it from the Download Manager.
Now I can't throw away the icon.
I get a message saying, in effect, the item is being used by another task right now.
Anyone have a suggestion?
tia
Appleworks and AppleMoney?
OK back on topic. Appleworks. I disagree with people stating that they need to ****can the app. I look at Appleworks as I see MS Works. A slimmed down productivity suit. I think Apple should update this but only so far as to make an app for those not willing to shell out $300+/- on MS Office. Apple should NOT compete head to head with MS Office but they can cash in on those who will not spend the cash to use MS Office. $80 for Appleworks is a very fair price IF they did some serious revamping to the software.
PS- I also think Apple should get into the personal financing application business. As easy as Ive found some of the app that handle personal finance to be I would like to see what Apple could do with such a beast.
OK back on topic. Appleworks. I disagree with people stating that they need to ****can the app. I look at Appleworks as I see MS Works. A slimmed down productivity suit. I think Apple should update this but only so far as to make an app for those not willing to shell out $300+/- on MS Office. Apple should NOT compete head to head with MS Office but they can cash in on those who will not spend the cash to use MS Office. $80 for Appleworks is a very fair price IF they did some serious revamping to the software.
PS- I also think Apple should get into the personal financing application business. As easy as Ive found some of the app that handle personal finance to be I would like to see what Apple could do with such a beast.
Re: Appleworks and AppleMoney?
You go SA!!! Both counts, keeping AW around AND your notes above that on the mouse debate... BRILLIANT! (I sound like a Guinness commercial). Here here! I'll need to cut and paste this on my Stickies 3.0 so next time this type of mouse button argument comes up I have beatiful cannon fodder to send at these whining "I like one button" peeps.
PS Yes, that is odd there no way a person would know the option key is "like" a second mouse button.
You go SA!!! Both counts, keeping AW around AND your notes above that on the mouse debate... BRILLIANT! (I sound like a Guinness commercial). Here here! I'll need to cut and paste this on my Stickies 3.0 so next time this type of mouse button argument comes up I have beatiful cannon fodder to send at these whining "I like one button" peeps.
PS Yes, that is odd there no way a person would know the option key is "like" a second mouse button.
Yay.
The scroll wheel thing was annoyance #1 with Appleworks.
If the screen font handling could be brought up to date, and the program's habit of exporting bitmaps at 72 dpi and nothing else would get addressed, I don't think I'd really have any complaints at all with it.
The scroll wheel thing was annoyance #1 with Appleworks.
If the screen font handling could be brought up to date, and the program's habit of exporting bitmaps at 72 dpi and nothing else would get addressed, I don't think I'd really have any complaints at all with it.
Missing the point...
WHile I would love for a solid office suite by Apple, it will be a long time until it will come out. One of the fundimental reasons that people shy away from the Mac is that the myth of incompatability is still going strong. Apple needs a solid version of Office to entice new buyers from the other side. If Apple releases its own version, MS my pull development from the Mac (or at least put less effort in the Mac versions). While it will be possible to release a competing product eventually when they enough marketshare to feel comfortable, it is currently against their own self interest to release an office suite and makes much more sense to keep working on iLife to make something trully unique...
WHile I would love for a solid office suite by Apple, it will be a long time until it will come out. One of the fundimental reasons that people shy away from the Mac is that the myth of incompatability is still going strong. Apple needs a solid version of Office to entice new buyers from the other side. If Apple releases its own version, MS my pull development from the Mac (or at least put less effort in the Mac versions). While it will be possible to release a competing product eventually when they enough marketshare to feel comfortable, it is currently against their own self interest to release an office suite and makes much more sense to keep working on iLife to make something trully unique...
Ditch Appleworks please.
Make a package named OfficePro. You get: A notes-like db, TextEdit Pro, a layout app, a spreadsheet app. Price: $999.99 (5 computer license)
My dream:
I would like Apple to buy Quark and then stop development on the PC side. Offer all Quark 4 users an upgrade to the OS X version at a price of $299... or better yet, have that be the layout app.
Make a package named OfficePro. You get: A notes-like db, TextEdit Pro, a layout app, a spreadsheet app. Price: $999.99 (5 computer license)
My dream:
I would like Apple to buy Quark and then stop development on the PC side. Offer all Quark 4 users an upgrade to the OS X version at a price of $299... or better yet, have that be the layout app.