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Appleworks Updated to 6.2.9

Another AppleWorks user here. I love the thing personally, and fread when I have to use Word, say at school or something. AW does everything I need, but I've always found that it's inability to not scroll with the scroll mouse button was a pain in the arse. Now though it's there and I couldn't be happier :)
 
Another Appleworks user here. It has always been able to do everything I have needed it to.

No problem installing the upgrade earlier today.
 
after downloading...

I realized that I deleted appleworks some time ago because I desperately needed some discspace, and appleworks is completely useless.
 
Originally posted by msfox
It's of interest that on the Apple home page iLife '04 is billed as "Microsoft Office for the rest of us." Odd that Apple make use of the Empire's name .... unless they are planning to scrap Appleworks and the new Office 11 will be more Apple-like, with services compatibility, integration with Address Book and iCal, etc., with Apple conceding that Office is just going to be the default word processor / spreadsheet, etc., henceforth.
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It's not billed as Office for the rest of us. Here's the text:

Just as Microsoft Office has the tools you need to create an outline, a budget or a presentation, iLife offers all of the tools you need for your work outside the office. When you’re ready to kick back and create something spectacular, there’s no better resource than iLife.
 
NTAC...(not that anyone cares...) BUT< I use AW to write features for a magazine where everyone in the building (except accounting for some unknown reason??) is working on an FP iMac. they layout with quark, but I am across the country from the office, working on a DV400 iMac and having a great time with AW6.2.7. It rocks compared to any MS app I have used, which may admittedly be a limited and outdated comparison. I do not think IMHO that anyone can argue with the great deal of getting an MS Office product for $35, but I recieved AW with the purchase of my iMac and I have not needed to invest further in it to be able to generate my swill for the editors at large. I have saved quantum time units, while nimbly navagating the AW waters, seldom visiting the help menu for anything. There may be limits, but I for one, am glad that AW is continuing in it's well pounded path, and takning the good with the bad, I haven't seen anything as intuitive and simple... much less anything that has lasted this long without the need for total hardware revamping. Sign me up for all of the updates... AW 4ever!!
 
a request from TPTB

Please Apple, mouse wheel scrolling in Windows iTunes now... please....
 
Appleworks and Software Update

Two things:

Newbie-esque question: Should the Software Update item in the Apple menu catch updates to Appleworks? When I ran it, it did not come up with this update. Is it because it is not considered part of Panther, or because it just hasn't been flagged for the udpate checker yet?

Second thing -- I have MS Office and AW (to add to the ed cost debate, the license is $70 at my school so it's middle of the road...). Right now the thing I use AW for is Japanese language support because it's more transparent (b/c of Unicode) in AW than in Office....
 
AppleWorks is cheaper than Office

Subject says it all. I got AW 5 when I bought my iMac several years ago. Purchased AW 6 when it came out. I also got another copy of AW 6 when I bought my wife's iBook.

It cost me nothing to get AW 6 running natively under OS X. Microsoft never released a patch for Office 2003 to make it native. I bought Office many years ago at a student price. I don't qualify for that anymore so I have to pay over $1000AUD to get essentially the same programs I have now converted to OS X native ones. No thanks.

I've occasionally used Office to look at .pps files or .doc files that don't work with AW but that's about it.

AW does everything I've ever needed it to. This update will fix my biggest complaint (lack of scroll support). Hopefully, it'll also enable the Quartz font smoothing (since Silk is now shareware and I'm too stingy to pay for programs that used to be free).

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Re: Re: Let it go....

I said there is no market for APPLE to make a multibutton mouse because there are tons of companies who already make really good ones. You said it yourself all the designers you know allready have multi-button mice, and my guess is each one of them has there own preferences on what kind they like, wired/wireless, trackball/mouse, 2button/20button, etc. Why should apple use their resources to do something that is allready being done well. I'd rather have them keep improving things like the iPod, than wasting time on a mouse.

Originally posted by Photorun
Originally posted by Krizoitz
I really wish people would give up on this old argument. There is no reason for Apple to make a mouse with a scroll wheel. There isno reason for them to make a mouse with multiple buttons either.

No market? You're kidding right? Dude, there's 100s of people I know or am acquainted with, designers, graphic professionals, and music professionals who have G4s and G5s and GUESS WHAT.... third party mice because a single mouse SLOWS YOU DOWN! If I know hundreds (and I'm not joe popular, just work around graphics groups a lot) there's thousands and thousands in the market for the mouse that you think nobody wants? Do you use Photoshop with one button? Dreamweaver? Let me tell ya then how to save up to 50% of your time working with a two button mouse. And most people that have scroll wheels use them. Once you go to a two plus button mouse with a scroll wheel you will NOT go back... trust me.

So yes, Apple should sell one.

Oh, wait, this is an AppleWorks thread. Uh. Yes. Crickets. The Chirping. Silence.

Apple shouldn't dump it's suite of basic office tools, so they're, what's the term, lackluster. For basic people with basic tastes, kinda like people who'd want a basic one button mouse, it's good. Now for pros out there, AppleWorks is the one button mouse of applications of it's ilk, now if Apple made something more akin to a two button mouse of applications, like an iOffice... hmmm....
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Microsoft Works for Windows is updated every 2 years-version 8 should be coming soon. I like it because it has a portfolio for storing text/images and a my projects organiser-AppleWorks should have these too.
 
Need good labeling program...must...have...labeling program...ugh!

It's always good to see some interest in AW, as it is a great little app that does so much.

But the lack of a GOOD labeling program (most on version tracker are buggy and just plain wierd and hard to use), I truly anticipate the day when AW will have a great little tie-in between the database and whatever else to give me a stable way of creating labels from a database. It's rediculous that the best labeling program is a freebie from Avery that will only work on a PC! A powerful computer such as my Dual 1.25 astonishes me the way it handles digital video, audio, and other complex tasks...and yes, life is sometimes not fair, BUT THIS ONE GLARING OMISSION DRIVES ME NUTS!

I'll still take this upgrade...hopefully it'll install OK...
 
OK, granted it hasn't been updated for a long time, but to me AppleWorks is still a great application - I mean what else do you want? I really prefer using it over Word... I feel that many software companies lull us into an upgrade cycle that we expect - I mean we EXPECT to pay for upgrades every so many months. To graphics pros out there, is there really THAT much difference between PhotoShop 5 and 7 (except X compatability)? What about the latest Quark? Dreamweaver MX and Dreamweaver MX 2004??? I dunno - I think the upgrade thing is kind of silly, even though I always like to run the latest and greatest, for whatever reason...
 
Originally posted by SiliconAddict
Please cite documentation of this random private info attachment. I'm aware that MS Office for Windows had, read: In the past, the ability to track a person because it embeds distinguishing characteristic info into the file so a file can be tracked back to the user or the computer it was used on, but this is the first I've heard it embeds private info into the file. :confused:

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/1999/03-08custletter2.asp

AFAIK this has not been an issue since Office '97.
What info? You are suggesting random. How so? Does Office just pick strings of text from various places on the system and embeds it into the file? :rolleyes:
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Actually, what you suggested is just what it did. Microsoft Office picked up random data from your disk and embedded them in Microsoft Office files. However, last I heard, this issue was with Microsoft Office 98 for Mac. I'm not sure if the bug has been carried over to the Mac OS X version or not.

When in doubt, As the Apple Turns is your friend when searching for Mac history.
 
Originally posted by tjwett
HAHAHA:D

that's awesome. LOL.
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Actually, STICKIES suckies.

Real stickies can be stuck to any page or document, not just on a physical desktop.

A GOOD stickie app' would allow us to put a sticky on any page/place on any document and it would remain there when that page is opened, until we removed it , using global removes, display, sort, find, etc. or local command.

I contacted the authors years ago about this and they said they were working on it.

Remember how Mac OS 8 would let you associate or LINK folders so that opening one would bring up the other ?

---gooddog
 
Re: Let it go....

Originally posted by Krizoitz
I really wish people would give up on this old argument. There is no reason for Apple to make a mouse with a scroll wheel. There isno reason for them to make a mouse with multiple buttons either.

Why?

Simplicity. The original designers of the Macintosh wanted the user to be able to learn to use the computer simply by watching. If you have multiple buttons its not as easy to learn. And yes I realize that learning to use a multi-button mouse isn't THAT hard but there are more factors.

Need. The average computer user doesn't NEED a second button or a scroll wheel. Yes those of us who regularly visit these forums probably do, but you have to remember, we aren't a very good sample of the whole Mac community. We represent the high end users, so its a bad idea to assume that our needs reflect the needs of all Mac users.

No market. Face it, there are a TON of great third party mice/trackballs out there. Kensington, Logitech, Macally, Microsoft even make great USB mice from the most basic to the most advanced of features in a huge price range. Why should Apple spend the time and money creating something that it doesn't need to.

So quit waiting for Apple to make an uber mouse, spend $15 and you can find a nice multi-button, scroll wheel, optical mouse, or spend more money to get all the bells and whistles.
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We pay enough for the hardware to get a multi button mouse. The Mac is a bulldoser posing as a snow shovel. Sure it is easy to use, and intuitive, but hardcore users can also use it for hardcore applications. For a desktop that you can pump up to and above $13000 without even getting any extra software or an extended warranty you should be able to select a 3 or 5 button mouse from the web site, not open the box and toss out the nifty looking but less powerful one button you bought for no reason. I can ditch the modem, why not the mouse. (Just my opinion.)

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Re: Re: Re: Let it go....

Originally posted by Snowy_River
As a Power User, many of the apps I use I have to use a modifier key regularly, so it's far from counter intuitive to me...
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You yourself made my point. As I had stated previously if you use something enough you automatically assume its the easiest method of doing something.

Let me ask one final question on the topic. Lets assume we found someone with ZERO PC or Mac experience. Which system do you think they would pick up the right/alternate mouse click first? Mac that has no labeling, know way of even knowing that there is an alternate/right mouse click or a 2 button mouse where after 10-15 clicks an average, relatively intelligent, individual should pick up on it. Again its not brain surgery here.
I wonder how many Mac users are out there that don’t even know of the existence of the alternate/right mouse click. You are right. It isn’t non-intuitive. Its an altogether hidden feature.
You like the single mouse. That’s great you can live with that. But coming from a PC environment I can’t live without a 2 button mouse. I’ve NEVER had problems with the mice buttons on my laptops. Its 1/2 an inch difference in spacing from the right mouse to the left. *shrugs* Its always been fine for me.
Fortunately I think I have a workaround for when I get my PowerBook. Double tap the touchpad for left click, mouse for right. From what I understand you can program these for the touchpad and mouse button so there is somewhat of a workaround. I’m still going to have to carry a BT mouse with me because of this.
 
There needs to be a native cocoa office suite. I don't care if it's AppleWorks or Office or something totally different, but it has to have a reasonable feature set, look and act like every other Cocoa program (streamlined, standard interface, support for system services, etc.) and have word, excel, and ppt document support.
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Amen! Here's the thing that drives me absolutely nuts: aside from TextEdit, there is currently no OS X writing application which supports unicode! Appleworks doesn't, Office X doesn't - zilch, zip, nada. I mean, come on, even iTunes supports unicode! OS X has been around for a few years now, yet we're still stuck with the same crummy carbon patches (Appleworks AND MS Office).

If you do any work in linguistics on a Mac and need characters with macrons, your only option is to use TextEdit. This is utterly insane.

Perhaps MS Office 2004 will be a Cocoa app, but I hate MS Office with a passion: bloated, expensive (OK, there's always the education discount but it's still a bloated, evil mess), unpredictable and just all around UGLY. I can't stand looking at it, as it has all the aesthetic charm of an IRS tax form (same design team, perhaps). And I'm sure that Office 2004 will be even more bloated than the current version. How depressing it is to see that app in my Applications folder, taking up 250+ MB. And I'm not paying one more cent for this cursed application!

I wish there would be a proper cocoa version of Appleworks, but I doubt that will ever happen. A shame, because I used to love Appleworks. It's sad that Apple has just let it stagnate.

At this point, I'm looking for alternatives. I hear that OpenOffice is a decent app and it does support unicode. Has anyone ever tried it? I'd much rather use something, anything besides MS Office!


[Far be it for me to upset the general drift of this thread, and I know everyone is just dying to know, so, yes, all three of my Macs have Logitech 4-button trackballs. So there!]
 
Yeah.

Once again Apple offers a feature...but then doesn't allow us non-north Americans to use it. If you read the fine-print, the update won't work on European (or Asian or African or...) Macs.

Back to TextEdit for me...:(
 
Wow! I was wrong! Here is the most amazing word processor I've ever come across, Mellel:

http://www.redlers.com

ALL MY PROBLEMS ARE SOLVED AND THEN SOME. It's cocoa, it blows away M$ Word, blows away Appleworks, has amazing features and - get this - costs only $29.

And even better - it only takes up a whopping 14 MB of HD space. Unbelievable!

THIS is what I dreamed a modern Appleworks would be like.

Sorry to sound like an ad - really, I only downloaded this a few hours ago, but I'm really astounded with this application. Download it and check it out for yourself. I don't see how any Mac user wouldn't be impressed with this app.
 
ClarisWorks 4.0

Originally posted by bob_hearn
Actually 4.0 was the last version with any major new features.
{snippage}
It's a real shame ClarisWorks/AppleWorks has been left to slowly decay. It used to be really cool, honest!
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I'm still using ClarisWorks 4.0. Box and all, with my G4 and Panther.

It elevates my second monitor to the same height as my primary monitor.:D

=-=
JJ
 
Originally posted by Pepzhez
Wow! I was wrong! Here is the most amazing word processor I've ever come across, Mellel:

http://www.redlers.com

ALL MY PROBLEMS ARE SOLVED AND THEN SOME. It's cocoa, it blows away M$ Word, blows away Appleworks, has amazing features and - get this - costs only $29.

And even better - it only takes up a whopping 14 MB of HD space. Unbelievable!

THIS is what I dreamed a modern Appleworks would be like.

Sorry to sound like an ad - really, I only downloaded this a few hours ago, but I'm really astounded with this application. Download it and check it out for yourself. I don't see how any Mac user wouldn't be impressed with this app.
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That is a very impressive program. Now all it needs is .doc support!
 
OpenOffice compatible?

The way overstated hockey phrase from the business world, about skating to where the puck is going, not where it is now, comes to mind.

Attempting compatibility with MS Office is useful in the short term. Being completely compatible with OpenOffice is a requirement in the long term. Please make it so with the next version of AppleWorks! Even use the OpenOffice file formats as the default for AW -- they are completely open and fully documented, and can be shared with OOo on four major platforms, as well as with AbiWord on Linux, KWrite is adopting them, etc, etc.

Everyone is moving toward OpenOffice. When the tipping point arrives, MS Word will fall off the end of the world and OOo will be supreme! Get ready...
 
Start with Neo/J

Originally posted by Pepzhez
At this point, I'm looking for alternatives. I hear that OpenOffice is a decent app and it does support unicode. Has anyone ever tried it? I'd much rather use something, anything besides MS Office!
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Yes, OpenOffice is coming along on Mac OSX. It's not at a final version yet, which is frustrating, but it is definitely usable. There are several test versions in development; I recommend using NeoOffice/J since it has the best GUI at the moment. It's based on OOo 1.0.1, which is behind the current 1.1 release.

Start here:
http://www.planamesa.com/neojava/en/index.php
 
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