I have confidence that Apple will get this sorted out. It was important they ship it even with these problems. Apple's customer base is a highly tolerant group, a characteristic that comes in handy at times like this. Widely accepted as a company that can do no wrong, this will be forgotten very shortly.
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Apps on iPhone 5s Reportedly Crashing Twice as Often as on iPhone 5c and iPhone 5
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Isn't the WHOLE IOS 7 on the iPhone 5S ALREADY ported to be 64-bit? Which means they are shipping a new full OS stack, and code that adapts the 32-but older binaries.. And they've been shipping a little over 3 weeks.
Sounds like a problem, but not a severe problem being as they just moved the iPhone 5S CPU and OS programming to 64-bits with ZERO notice to developers or changes to programs expected. That's FANTASTIC if it worked at all. How many YEARS did Microsoft take to make 64-bit Windows equal to 32-bit Windows... And Apple did it overnight.
ARM has already stated Apple is way ahead with 64 bit, because everyone is ripping on Apple and there supposed "QC" just because there is a little issues with the new ARMv8 64 bit architecture and that developers havent had time to update their apps to the new instruction set/architecture or Apple hasnt ironed out every single 64 bit issue yet,
and i bring up Android because next year Android will make the move to ARMv8, by the time ARmv8 settles in the Android ecosystem and comes out, Apple and iOS will have already been settled in ARMv8 and many many apps will have been updated to take advantage of ARMv8 thus giving the iOS ecosystem and future hardware a big advantage in time and development
Apple is months ahead of the competition in 64 bit and 64 bit development, it has a major advantage over the competition right now, while developers are updating their apps for ARMv8 support, Google and them are still trying to fully implement 64 bit in Android, the linux kernel in Android supports 64 bit, but not every aspect of the OS supports 64 bit and Kit Kat is supposed to address that and add more 64 bit support
you wont see a 64 bit SoC in a android phone till next year
Only if you consider 64bit a selling point to a consumer. I personally don't. I don't see it as a "well you can have your 32bit Android phone or you can have a 64bit iPhone" - People are more likely to choose base on OS and features (camera, screen, usable memory, etc) not the architecture.
The advantage of being 1 year ahead when the technology isn't being really used it not all that important. Just like many here in the US (not abroad) don't care much about NFC. It's nice to have - but there's not a much of a use case here as there is elsewhere. No one (I imagine) buys their phone specifically on having NFC or not here in the US.
I'm not directing my response at you, just a general comment.
It's a rather common perception to blame current issues on the lack of Steve Jobs presence, yet nothing could be further from the truth. It's no secret Jobs envisioned himself as a visionary and vastly superior human. Yet against all odds he actually admitted that Mobile Me was a complete failure, and Apple had years to sort that problem out.
I see the decline in quality and some of the dubious decisions having occurred before and after his death. All companies make mistakes, but Apples stand out more since they often hype things to impossible levels. Setting consumers expectations so high, Apples their own worst enemy.
I must say this could be possible. I started using the Argus app as soon as i got my 5s and last week it's been playing up and closing itself down quite a lot.
This is what happens with new technology and new code.
Although, i've still have allot of apps crashing on iOS 7, i can see why this could ne more of a concern with the M7 and 64-bit, but this only adds to the already crashing of apps in iOS 7..
Obviously, Apple just doesn't care about compatability. This is clearly proof of that.
This may also be a recommendation NOT to get an iPhone 5s.
Although, i've still have allot of apps crashing on iOS 7, i can see why this could ne more of a concern with the M7 and 64-bit, but this only adds to the already crashing of apps in iOS 7..
Obviously, Apple just doesn't care about compatability. This is clearly proof of that.
This may also be a recommendation NOT to get an iPhone 5s.
The ONLY type of crashing I've had on my 5s since It arrived (Sep. 25th) is with a single App named "Infectonator". This App did not work at all since day one, but today randomly started working & I didn't even update it.
Yes, Automatic updates are turned off on my phone.
Besides that no issues with crashing at all.
Yes, Automatic updates are turned off on my phone.
Besides that no issues with crashing at all.
I have to agree with this statement 100%. I think Apple makes great products and have been a huge fan ever since they made the switch to OS X.
That being said, I have never been a fan of their quality control. From their server products (when Enterprise computing was actually on the radar for them), development tools (especially products like WebObjects) right down to their consumer computer products - I feel this is just par for the course with them, and has been for a long time. Most companies have some issues - but Apple just seems to try to either sometimes sweep it under the rug, or remain silent about issues. I would have far less issues with their QC, if they would be more forthcoming about issues and spoke openly about time frames for a resolution.
When Apple switched to a Unix core, I was excited about their opportunities for enterprise computing. But I soon realized that the way they managed bugs and problems, along with a total lack of guidance and road maps had no place in mission critical computing.
Well, I flew off on a tangent - and didn't mean to get all negative. Through it all, though, Apple is really the only tech company left that I feel a connection with - and I have learned to take the fantastic with the sometimes not so good.
Back on topic - After we had ordered my wife an upgrade to a 5s, I was a little concerned after reading about all these crashing reports. We have had the phone running for only a couple of days now (with very heavy usage from my wife) and haven't really had any major issues that I can think of. Actually it has been pretty solid, aside from some really minor glitches that really had no impact on the phone's overall usage (so minor I can't even recall in any detail what they were).
Since we just got the 5s, our initial usage was under 7.0.2 -so perhaps things may have been worse previously.
This was a big architecture change for Apple, and I give them a lot of credit for taking the chance to get ahead of the architectural curve and for being able to pull it off so smoothly. I'm also impressed with the speed in which they are trying to tackle remaining problems.
Despite my bit of criticism earlier in this post, I am confident that all will be well in short order...
I like to play with all kinds of tech, and personally currently use an Android phone. I was planning on getting the Nexus 5 when it was released - but after using my wife's iPhone 5s - I'm actually thinking I'm going to end up getting a 5s myself. Between sensor calibration issues and these crashing reports - I wasn't expecting to be impressed - but I have to say I love the 5s.
No seriously, it's because SJ isn't there.
If SJ was there and noticed those glitches in animation/transitions, he would march into someone's office and get it fixed NOW.
Mobile Me was a failure because SJ wasn't overseeing it. Why not? Because Mobile Me made up less than 0.1% of the company's revenue. So they put someone they thought was competent on the job. He's looking for a new one...
no its not the biggest selling point but that is how the future of mobile processors will shape and become more powerful and provide us more features/powerful features, starts with ARMv8 and so fourth
nonsense, there will always be bumps transitioning to 64 bit, Android will have these issues next year, Apple is way ahead on 64 Bit, sure there are some bumps but nothing that can be ironed out, ARMv8 will be fully implemented and run very well by the time Android comes out with 64 bit for its whole OS
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But they are not bumps...they are poor regression testing bugs. example....iWorks apps crashing for repeatable reasons doing basis functions.
That is pathetic QA, and point it out if not some invalid Apple Hating activity, it's an informed position...
Same here with 4S and iOS 7. Seems like a combination of iOS 7 still being buggy, developers not yet familiar with it and for the 5S, I suspect the new hardware may also be causing problems.
I hope some of these problems get ironed out by the time I get my iPhone 5S!
It might be best to focus on positives of the new hardware, I doubt much progress will be made on eliminating the bugs that soon. Apples law suits & other products seems to be of higher priority.
Well, knowing that the iPhone 5S seems to be their current flagship product and that they might be launching an A7 powered iPad in the coming weeks and the fact that the issue has been picked up by multiple news outlets, I wouldn't be surprised if they will try to fix the issue as soon as possible.
That said, I don't plan on delaying my purchase until they fix it, because I do think it will be addressed soon.
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nonsense, there will always be bumps transitioning to 64 bit, Android will have these issues next year, Apple is way ahead on 64 Bit, sure there are some bumps but nothing that can be ironed out, ARMv8 will be fully implemented and run very well by the time Android comes out with 64 bit for its whole OS
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I've been involved in IT for close to 30 years and participated in so many rollouts I have lost count. From what I'm reading Apple's software is causing just as many issues as third-party apps. And it's not just a 5s issue.
Apple testing must have seen this. It seems a bit too widespread for them not to have run into it during testing. From my experience in rollouts I can say that it appears that either Apple testing is sadly lacking or they just ignored the issue knowing that their fans would accept and even defend the OS.
In any other program/software/OS this type of situtation would have been labeled as show stoppers, i.e. a 'must fix' before rollout. This makes me nervous because Apple managers aren't stupid. They must know but made the decision to go forward. This tells me that it's not a simple fix. Since many older phones are experiencing the same thing hopefully it's not hardware. If it is then I think early adopters are SOL because Apple doesn't do recalls but look for a mid-year hardware update instead.
Frankly I'm glad I sold my stock because either scenario doesn't bode well for Apple. This is just sloppy.
Really? My 5 has been very stable. Only issues are when going from one version of OS to another and some apps will crash until updated (i.e. iOS 6 to iOS7). Well for a design that's been around for four years, some Android phone makers seem to like it and have tried to copy it. People pay for the quality build and overall experience.
Why are people so hung up on change when none is needed. Nobody complains about the design of televisions these days. They're all rectangles, even the 4K ones are still rectangles looking like all the other flat screens. What do you want a circular iPhone? Maybe a larger screen... 4.7-4.8 tops. Aside from that iPhones are beautifully designed IMHO. The only differences these days with phones are the types of materials that are used i.e. aluminum and glass vs. plastic.
I'm on a iPhone 5 and I am getting just as many crashes as my wife's iPhone 5S....I have been using iPhone since the 3G and have never seen this many crashes. I'm sure it will get fixed, it always does.
as if you were implying the transition to 64 bit on Linux/Windows was buttery smooth as well LOL
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where or how do you hear that its such a widespread issue? some people dont even experience issues at all.. stop implying like Windows/Linux has had a buttery smooth transition to 64 bit, while Apple is getting the kinks ironed out now, Android is still trying to fully implement it in all aspects of Android and its kernel, Apple gets more publicity of other compnaies simply due to their popularity and such a issue might seem more bigger then it is although i am not denying that this is a issue, with time, ArmV8 will be fully implemented in ios 7 buttery smooth and have months ahead advantage on the competition
Never had a problem with iPhones crashing since the 4. The biggest issue I have on my 5S is the music app. I have more problems with that than I've ever had with any other iPhone. My girlfriends gold 32gb phone has been crashing and doing the reboot since a few days after she received it but I have yet to have this happen. Honestly, I really despise what they did with the music app, incorporating purchased iCloud music with the music downloaded to the device. And the pink. Really? Pink?...