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Discussion in 'MacBook Pro' started by hajime, Jun 23, 2017.
I tried one in the store but the keyboard is still not as good as the 2010 MBP's.
it's a polarizing keyboard.
some people love it and claim they'd ditch their expensive mechanical keyboards for it.
the others hate it.
other people's opinion doesn't matter here, and i don't believe a few minutes test drive in the store will do its justice. you probably should ask yourself: do you use it a LOT? if yes - if you really hate it, is it a deal breaker for you? then try it for an extended period of time - buy one, keep it if you love it, return it within 14 days if you can't live with it
personally i rarely use it (only when im traveling) - so even though i'm one of the guys who hate the new keyboard, it's not a deal breaker for me.
are some people actually claiming this?
I have never owned a mechanical keyboard but that just sounds like a stretch
Sorry for my English! I am from Russia! Today I just have received new macbook pro 15 inch (2017)... before I had Macbook 12 for 2 years.... the main thing that annoying me is the keyboard! It's very loud! Especially in the middle...
I guess unless Apple makes the laptop very slightly thicker, the situation with the keybaord may not improve.
Are the 2017 MBPtb out? I don't think they are. Are you speaking of the 2016 models?
Yes, they've been out for some time now.
Ok, because in another thread I read people posting the 2017 may not be released until Fall 2017. Interesting?
The 2017 MBP were released at wwdc at the beginning of June
I had a lot of different keyboards. I never liked mechanical ones due to long keyboard travel. I always liked Apple keyboards, but I have to admit the old scissor switch made the keys a bit too wobbly for my taste, but at the time I didn't think anything better was possible. Then I tried the new Magic Keyboard and I loved it and then I tried the MBP 2016 keyboard and it quickly became the best keyboard I've ever used. I did try the MB 2016 keyboard (butterfly gen 1) and it didn't feel quite as nice - though I have a friend who actually prefers it to gen 2.
Different tastes. The funny thing to me is how some people can't accept that. I have no problems with someone not liking this new keyboard, in fact, I can understand it if you like long key travel. But there are a bunch of posts like yours "is it possible that someone actually prefers this?". Yes, it is.
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And this is exactly the type of reasoning that annoys me. "Improve"? You mean if they make the key travel longer? Well, that wouldn't be an improvement for me.
What you wanted to say is "I guess unless Apple makes the laptop very slightly thicker, the situation with the keyboard may not be more to my liking." There.
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I actually like my nTB keyboard quite a lot overall.
I just think most if not all mechanical keyboard aficionados aren't ditching their hobby for a laptop keyboard all of a sudden.
It smells like hyperbole
It's also fine to not like mechanical kb's. But of those that do, I just have my reservations about their claims of the pro keyboard being superior
So far my 15" Pro has been wonderful with no defects or problems to report. Tried out FCP for the first time yesterday and the computer ran great with barely any lag while editing 4k video, driving a 4k TV through HDMI and with a few background apps open. To me the keyboard feels fine and I don't have any issues typing on it. The display is absolutely beautiful and bright with crisp colors and pretty good color balance out of the box. The speakers are really impressive and loud enough to where I don't feel that I need to use my external speakers. I have integrated the Touch Bar into my work flow and I like it quite a bit. It was particularly helpful for me in FCP where I didn't have to rummage through lots of menus to figure out how to use the program.
I'm sure the improvements on the 2017 model would make it even better than my 2016 so I can definitely recommend this laptop. My only real negative is the price which I think is pretty high even though the computer definitely feels and runs like a high end product.
For a review without prejudice: My wife is a Windows person and has a surface Pro, with an external mechanical keyboard. She never read any of the discussions of the MacBook keyboard. The other day, she had to use my computer. She immediately said: wow, this keyboard is good. But she missed the touch screen.
People love it or hate it, but I think that, outside these forums and fans and enthusiasts, most people just don't really care that much either way.
Glad that your wife likes the keyboard. As for the touch screen, I am always surprised why people would want that on a near-vertical screen but, hey, to each their own.
I got mine for $200 (the price of the backordered battery replacement for my mid-2012 rMBP), plus an extra $550 for the 2.9ghz i7 model and applecare+. I didn't drop nearly as much as others have for the same computer (i.e., >$3000), so take my review with a grain of salt. Some thoughts:
Good performance, but could be way better at this price point
No magsafe isn't a dealbreaker IMO
The move to USB-C/TB3 was a great call
No SD card slot?!
Trackpad unnecessarily large, more prone to palm rejection issues (it's still pretty good at palm rejection)
Display is great, and the colors are superior to those on my mid-2012 rMBP
Build quality has been improved over previous gen retina macbooks
Battery life is comparable at best to previous gen
Keyboard takes getting used to; I much prefer keys with more travel
Not a great value at full price, but for roughly $750, I'm a happy camper.
Yeah, similarly I paid $200 for mine through the 2012 battery CRU. I love this machine. Yes, the keyboard takes some getting used to, but now that I have I don't mind it. I would like more battery life though, I keep a lot of apps open and seems like I'm getting 5-6 hours on a charge.
Have a specced out 15". The machine is fast and the chassis, weight, and the screen are simply stunning. The keyboard is fine, good even in some ways, although I don't really like the new arrow keys.
I really dislike what they've done with both the trackpad and the touchbar. I had to turn off tap to click to make the interface even minimally tolerable, but its still a pain. And I've discovered that I often rest my hands and fingers in places where there used to either be no input or real keys that I knew not to push. I am constantly accidentally inputting into the machine and it bugs the crap out of me.
I don't regret the purchase -- its a great machine overall. But, it would be a perfect machine if they hadn't messed around with already-well designed stuff in the UI. I'd like to think that Steve Jobs would have had the common sense and the balls to veto these sorts of gimmicky interface changes that are cool on paper but impractical and cumbersome in real life. He may not have known how to design his way out of a paper box, but he knew how to call ******** and push confident and stubborn people to do better.
So are they out for sale in stores for purchase? What has changed?
I wanted to upgrade my 2013 rMBP and when these new ones came out last year I did go have a play and wasn't a fan. They looked great, but they keyboard I couldn't imagine getting on board with as I do a lot of typing all day.
I went into the Apple Store again when the Kaby Lake came out and this time an Apple employee grabbed me. I told him I've wanted a new MacBook since the end of 2016 but just couldn't see myself getting on board with this keyboard (I also mentioned the fact that the price markup for the Touch Bar is also something I wan't a fan of seeing as I won't be using it all that much). He told me, with confidence (I suppose he has to) that I would get used to it. He started making comparisons to old typewriters and like how keys have slowly got less travel over time. He told me that by the end of a day's full use, I'll be used to it and love it.
Thankfully, he was right. After a full day's use, although it is a bit loud, I really like this keyboard. It's not something you can get used to just trying it in store for a few minutes, as that's what I did when these new MacBook Pro's came out.
The good thing about Apple is you can just buy it, try it for 2 weeks, and if you can't get on with it, return it and think about something else.
The lack of the "product editing" that Steve was always known for really is showing since he's been gone I think.
keyboard is rubbish had 3 new ones and everyone there is at least 1 key thats louder or doesn't click right
Actually, I did purchase a 2016 MBPtb in 2017 and I returned it when Apple was able to fix my MBA. But now, I'm ready to repurchase. So what's the difference?
I was merely highlighting the notion that you were proudly displaying in your sig as owning a 2017 15" Pro, but appeared confused that the 2017 Pro was released earlier this month. Perhaps you've been away on Brodo Asogi or something.
Also you know a 2016 MBP purchased in 2017 is not a 2017 model right?