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So it isn't a smartphone then, just an expensive toy? If we can't do extensive web browsing on a 6+ or any iPad except the Air 2 then they're of precious little use to me. My main issue is that the two generations older iPhone 5 reloads apps and browser tabs MUCH less often than the current 6+. Seriously, how bad is that??
I doubt the Air2 keeps tabs open like a real computer.
I use my iPads in a professional and private capacity for hours every day.
I know the limitations and use iPads for what they are and can do.
 
So it isn't a smartphone then, just an expensive toy?

If you are saying that the iPhone 6 is not a smartphone just because it has some problems with a butt load of tabs open, then you are crazy. That one thing doesn't define a smartphone and you know that.

You are just trying to further your argument...
 
If you are saying that the iPhone 6 is not a smartphone just because it has some problems with a butt load of tabs open, then you are crazy. That one thing doesn't define a smartphone and you know that.

You are just trying to further your argument...

I don't call switching between the Amazon app and three browser tabs especially taxing, but it causes my 6+ to reload all three tabs and the app. Three tabs aren't a butt load of tabs, and one app isn't a butt load of apps. My old iPhone 5 could have managed that without reloading but strangely my newer and more expensive 6+ can't. To me that's a massive flaw in functionality and if I wasn't past my 14 days I'd send it back. As things stand, I've bought an expensive lemon which Apple surely knew was incapable of matching its 4.7" brother due to a chronic lack of RAM. If this thing had cost me £350 then I wouldn't be grumbling, but £700??? (*$1068)
That's a heck of a lot of money for a phone which can't even get near the memory management credentials of an iPhone 5. I used to grumble about tab reloading on my old i5 but blimey, it acted like it had twice as much RAM as my 6+.
 
I don't call switching between the Amazon app and three browser tabs especially taxing, but it causes my 6+ to reload all three tabs and the app. Three tabs aren't a butt load of tabs, and one app isn't a butt load of apps. My old iPhone 5 could have managed that without reloading but strangely my newer and more expensive 6+ can't. To me that's a massive flaw in functionality and if I wasn't past my 14 days I'd send it back. As things stand, I've bought an expensive lemon which Apple surely knew was incapable of matching its 4.7" brother due to a chronic lack of RAM. If this thing had cost me £350 then I wouldn't be grumbling, but £700??? (*$1068)
That's a heck of a lot of money for a phone which can't even get near the memory management credentials of an iPhone 5. I used to grumble about tab reloading on my old i5 but blimey, it acted like it had twice as much RAM as my 6+.

My wife has a 6 (which was mine for a couple of months) and I have the Plus. I don't see any difference in performance between the two. I have had every iPhone since 2007 and my iPhone 6 and 6 Plus are far above them all.

Sounds like you have a defective device...maybe you should take it in to the Apple store.
 
Then complain. And I guess wait till they fix it. But that's all you can do really unless you want to switch to windows android razr gophone etc

Thank you for allowing me this. Your acceptance is truly appreciated.

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My wife has a 6 (which was mine for a couple of months) and I have the Plus. I don't see any difference in performance between the two. I have had every iPhone since 2007 and my iPhone 6 and 6 Plus are far above them all.

Sounds like you have a defective device...maybe you should take it in to the Apple store.

Same thing happens to me, generally. I did take it into an Apple store. They said it was "fine".
 
Are new iphones starting to lag due to 1GB of RAM?

People are getting RAM limitations and mobile Safari being crappy confused. Use Chrome and you won't have tab issues. Mobile Safari is the problem not the amount of RAM.
 
Thank you for allowing me this. Your acceptance is truly appreciated.

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Same thing happens to me, generally. I did take it into an Apple store. They said it was "fine".

I'm not allowing you. It's your right. Hope you find inner peace with your iPhone dilemma.
 
People are getting RAM limitations and mobile Safari being crappy confused. Use Chrome and you won't have tab issues. Mobile Safari is the problem not the amount of RAM.

App refreshing/reloading happens on all of their core apps due to the aggressive memory management and lack of RAM. It's not solely down to Safari suffering from it.
 
People are getting RAM limitations and mobile Safari being crappy confused. Use Chrome and you won't have tab issues. Mobile Safari is the problem not the amount of RAM.

Why do my apps reload then?
Chrome for iOS is lousy btw.
 
People are getting RAM limitations and mobile Safari being crappy confused. Use Chrome and you won't have tab issues. Mobile Safari is the problem not the amount of RAM.

I don't think this is true. I did a side-by-side test of my 32-bit iPhone 5 vs the 64-bit iPhone 6 Plus and the iPhone 5 was able to hold 3-4 more tabs open in Safari without refreshing. This is most definitely due to RAM since they both have 1GB but the 64-bit OS on the 6 Plus leaves less memory available compared to the smaller footprint of the 32-bit iPhone 5.
 
App refreshing/reloading happens on all of their core apps due to the aggressive memory management and lack of RAM. It's not solely down to Safari suffering from it.

Oh I agree. I'm just sick of everyone using mobile Safari as an example. It's a horrid example because it muddies the real issue.

1GB on a device that draws at an insane resolution am then downscales is asinine.
 
My wife has a 6 (which was mine for a couple of months) and I have the Plus. I don't see any difference in performance between the two. I have had every iPhone since 2007 and my iPhone 6 and 6 Plus are far above them all.

Sounds like you have a defective device...maybe you should take it in to the Apple store.

I do indeed have a defective device and short of a genius soldering another gig or two of RAM inside, the defect will continue until upgrade time.
 
Are new iphones starting to lag due to 1GB of RAM?

Does Apple need to update the RAM in the Plus AND 6? Yes, and they probably will for this years S cycle.

Does the 5 and 5S exhibit RAM issues as well. You betcha. On my 5 I could multitask about the same amount before hitting RAM limitations. Once in a while it trashes something I was working on but it's not that often. Maybe I've learned workaround the issue *shrugs*

Should you upgrade if your contract is up? Yes, most definitely. The 6 and 6 Plus are STILL much faster and have better hardware and screens than the 5 and 5S.

I wouldn't simply wait for the S cycle because you're losing money doing that if you have a traditional contract (bill doesn't get lowered once you fulfill contract). Keep your devices in good working order and they will help finance your upgrades when sold. Going from the 32GB 5 > 64GB 6 Plus cost me only $160 because I sold my dinged up 5 in factory unlocked good working condition for $240 on Craigslist.
 
App refreshing/reloading happens on all of their core apps due to the aggressive memory management and lack of RAM. It's not solely down to Safari suffering from it.

App reloading??? Do you know how multitasking works in iOS ????

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Why do my apps reload then?
Chrome for iOS is lousy btw.

Again: give me an example of what do you mean with app reload.
iOS isn't Android. Multitasking has different basis here.

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I don't think this is true. I did a side-by-side test of my 32-bit iPhone 5 vs the 64-bit iPhone 6 Plus and the iPhone 5 was able to hold 3-4 more tabs open in Safari without refreshing. This is most definitely due to RAM since they both have 1GB but the 64-bit OS on the 6 Plus leaves less memory available compared to the smaller footprint of the 32-bit iPhone 5.

It's very easy to confirm.
Try to use mercury browser instead of Safari, and watch the free memory available using a specific app (there are many). Safari can eat 100 Mb more with the same tabs loaded.
Safari is the real problem here.
 
App reloading??? Do you know how multitasking works in iOS ????

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Again: give me an example of what do you mean with app reload.
iOS isn't Android. Multitasking has different basis here.

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It's very easy to confirm.
Try to use mercury browser instead of Safari, and watch the free memory available using a specific app (there are many). Safari can eat 100 Mb more with the same tabs loaded.
Safari is the real problem here.

If we're trying to save 100Mb in order to prevent tab reloading then we definitely have insufficient RAM. In my opinion the iPhone 5/5S/6 need more RAM, but the 6+ is actually crippled without it.
 
If we're trying to save 100Mb in order to prevent tab reloading then we definitely have insufficient RAM. In my opinion the iPhone 5/5S/6 need more RAM, but the 6+ is actually crippled without it.

100 Mb of free ram are a significant amount on ANY SMARTPHONE, even a pumped Samsung Note.
 
100 Mb of free ram are a significant amount on ANY SMARTPHONE, even a pumped Samsung Note.

You seem hellbent on defending Apple.

When someone says app reloading, they mean app refreshing (which is essentially a call to all views in an app asking to redraw themselves in addition to updating state). If your argument is constantly about semantics, then you're just being stubborn.

100MB of RAM is not a significant amount. One instance of a UIWebView consumes about 20MB of RAM. And that's before you wrap all the 'Safariness' around it. You're not making relative comparisons (comparing to a Samsung Note doesn't make sense - but comparing to an instance of UIWebView does).

Do you have some strange secret wish that your laptop/netbook (if you own one) only supported, say, 4GB of RAM vs, say 16GB of RAM? Would that make your world a better place? Would apps be 'better' and more 'efficient' if that were true?

There's this assumption that with more RAM application developers write 'worse' code. But often times the increase in RAM required is because the OS and/or the frameworks and APIs associated with that OS are consuming more RAM.
 
Hey of course more ram is welcome. You can never have enough. But saying that the 6+ is crippled without more ram is just not true and over dramatic.
 
You seem hellbent on defending Apple.

When someone says app reloading, they mean app refreshing (which is essentially a call to all views in an app asking to redraw themselves in addition to updating state). If your argument is constantly about semantics, then you're just being stubborn.

100MB of RAM is not a significant amount. One instance of a UIWebView consumes about 20MB of RAM. And that's before you wrap all the 'Safariness' around it. You're not making relative comparisons (comparing to a Samsung Note doesn't make sense - but comparing to an instance of UIWebView does).

Do you have some strange secret wish that your laptop/netbook (if you own one) only supported, say, 4GB of RAM vs, say 16GB of RAM? Would that make your world a better place? Would apps be 'better' and more 'efficient' if that were true?

There's this assumption that with more RAM application developers write 'worse' code. But often times the increase in RAM required is because the OS and/or the frameworks and APIs associated with that OS are consuming more RAM.
And you seem quite ignorant about iOS.
IOS doesn't use preemptive multitasking. Apps refresh because they are supposed to refresh when on background/suspended.
Here a link to help you and others to understand:
http://www.imore.com/ios-7-preview-multitasking

On a vanilla Android installation, and I mean on a nexus device, I have about 900 Mb of free ram after a fresh boot on a 2 Gb unit. On an iPhone 6 I have about 600 Mb.
Yes, 100 Mb definitely are a significant amount of free ram, on both platforms, and basically the main reason I can keep a couple more tabs opened on my iPad using Mercury browser over Safari.

I'd like to have more ram on my iDevices, for sure, and I'm quite sure I'm going to have it on my next iPhone.
But what I have now is fine. Actually apps are identical or even better on iOS with "just" 1 Gb of ram, games included.
 
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