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And you seem quite ignorant about iOS.
IOS doesn't use preemptive multitasking. Apps refresh because they are supposed to refresh when on background/suspended.
Here a link to help you and others to understand:
http://www.imore.com/ios-7-preview-multitasking

On a vanilla Android installation, and I mean on a nexus device, I have about 900 Mb of free ram after a fresh boot on a 2 Gb unit. On an iPhone 6 I have about 600 Mb.
Yes, 100 Mb definitely are a significant amount of free ram, on both platforms, and basically the main reason I can keep a couple more tabs opened on my iPad using Mercury browser over Safari.

I'd like to have more ram on my iDevices, for sure, and I'm quite sure I'm going to have it on my next iPhone.
But what I have now is fine. Actually apps are identical or even better on iOS with "just" 1 Gb of ram, games included.

I never said anything about multitasking or preemptive multitasking. I mentioned background refreshing. Apps don't refresh on their own - you have to implement specific APIs and also set background permissions. Often the refresh involves an update in content which will result in the app needing to update its views. I suspect you've never written an iOS app...
 
Whilst apps don't necessarily refresh on their own unless implemented specifically, this can be a little different when they contain a WebKit container and it is controlled remotely. Further more, it is also very possible for applications to be unloaded from memory without having to write any particular code to handle that. This could come across to some as "refreshing". Now if it was written properly those kind of web views could be cached at that moment when it gets invoked and reloaded when reopening the focus of the application to avoid remote reloading. It is fully within control of the software developer, albeit it depends. I mean if it gets unloaded from a site that had session management applied then a reload could be the only reasonable cause of action.

Sure more memory may help in certain circumstances to delay that event from occurring but won't be a guarantee either. I also find that other environmental factors like network connectivity speed can have a major impact as to whether this is noticeable or not.
 
Whilst apps don't necessarily refresh on their own unless implemented specifically, this can be a little different when they contain a WebKit container and it is controlled remotely. Further more, it is also very possible for applications to be unloaded from memory without having to write any particular code to handle that. This could come across to some as "refreshing". Now if it was written properly those kind of web views could be cached at that moment when it gets invoked and reloaded when reopening the focus of the application to avoid remote reloading. It is fully within control of the software developer, albeit it depends. I mean if it gets unloaded from a site that had session management applied then a reload could be the only reasonable cause of action.

Sure more memory may help in certain circumstances to delay that event from occurring but won't be a guarantee either. I also find that other environmental factors like network connectivity speed can have a major impact as to whether this is noticeable or not.

Thank you. I don't need another answer as you summarized very well mine.

As for the "you don't write iOS app", I'm sure I don't have to report my degrees here, but I most probably started coding when most of you were infant (and some not even born, lol).
 
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Another urban legend. One gig is way more than enough RAM for me. I have never run out and never had a problem with my iPhone 6.
Today sure, but the iPhone 6 is still pretty much brand new. Do you not want or care to run iOS 9/10 or higher efficiently? With each new iOS version, coms new features and more RAM use.
 
Today sure, but the iPhone 6 is still pretty much brand new. Do you not want or care to run iOS 9/10 or higher efficiently? With each new iOS version, coms new features and more RAM use.


Why worry about something today that hasn't even happened yet nor has got any reasonable indication that it will cause a problem. Besides by that time surely you'll have your phone upgraded anyway :)
 
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Today sure, but the iPhone 6 is still pretty much brand new. Do you not want or care to run iOS 9/10 or higher efficiently? With each new iOS version, coms new features and more RAM use.

Since this generation of iPhone users 1 Gb of ram, and also the mini 3 uses 1 Gb of ram, we can be sure that Apple and developers are going to properly support our devices for a reasonable amount of time.
 
Another urban legend. One gig is way more than enough RAM for me. I have never run out and never had a problem with my iPhone 6.

Use a 6+ for anything other than SMS and calls before you claim things like that. This thing performs like it has 250Mb of RAM.
 
Use a 6+ for anything other than SMS and calls before you claim things like that. This thing performs like it has 250Mb of RAM.


Oh gosh you are a drama queen, I guess I use mine only for tapatalk then as I've never once found that mine was any slower or less usable than my previous 5s. Why not just get something else if it doesn't work for you instead of spreading such false information about.
 
Oh gosh you are a drama queen, I guess I use mine only for tapatalk then as I've never once found that mine was any slower or less usable than my previous 5s. Why not just get something else if it doesn't work for you instead of spreading such false information about.

Lol. If you have a 6+ and use one app or one browser tab, and don't switch between them, then I guess you won't encounter any RAM issues. Just because you use your top of the range smartphone like a WAP-based phone from five years ago, it doesn't mean that I'm being a drama queen when I report the very real problems that I'm encountering!

As for swapping phones, yeah. I'll just pay off my £700 contract phone and buy a new one shall I? It's always the user's fault isn't it. Never Apple's. They can do no wrong. I seriously wonder why most of you guys buy smartphones because you don't seem to really use them. My 6+ fails at basic functionality and yet I'm a 'drama queen'. I guess that I should just put my £700 late-2014 premium smartphone down and get out my laptop if I need to do things that my iPhone 5 was capable of. That's your solution isn't it, or buy an Android phone.

PS I have never once mentioned a lack of speed. Read up on the RAM issues before spreading your own false information. I'm talking about app and browser reloading. The 6+ reloads for fun; stock apps, browser tabs, other apps. I cannot have two Safari tabs open and switch between them & one other app without all three reloading each time. That's disastrous and it didn't happen on the iPhone 5. I doubt it happens on the 5S or 4.7" i6 either. The 6+ has massive issues with this.
 
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As for swapping phones, yeah. I'll just pay off my £700 contract phone and buy a new one shall I? It's always the user's fault isn't it. Never Apple's.
Apps restarting and tabs reloading has been part of the iOS experience since the first release.
If you bought an iPhone you should've been aware of this.

You should research a bit before you spend 700,- on something. :apple: always states, that iOS does not support real multitasking.
 
Apps restarting and tabs reloading has been part of the iOS experience since the first release.
If you bought an iPhone you should've been aware of this.

You should research a bit before you spend 700,- on something. :apple: always states, that iOS does not support real multitasking.

Again, someone else missing the point. I am absolutely aware of this but the 6+ is MUCH worse than my previous iPhone 5. If it were the same (as I was expecting) then I would be ok with it. I didn't expect a MUCH worse experience with a phone two generations newer.
 
Again, someone else missing the point. I am absolutely aware of this but the 6+ is MUCH worse than my previous iPhone 5. If it were the same (as I was expecting) then I would be ok with it. I didn't expect a MUCH worse experience with a phone two generations newer.
And again: This is not related to ram, but to programming.
The 5 has 1gb ram, too.
 
Use a 6+ for anything other than SMS and calls before you claim things like that. This thing performs like it has 250Mb of RAM.

You are exaggerating as usual.
I've been very accommodating with your continuous whining, but now you are being ridiculous with that statement.

IPhone 6+ is perfectly capable to fulfill any reasonable task, better than most of the phones on the market.

You should sell it, and enjoy whatever Android brick you'd like. That's my advice.

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Again, someone else missing the point. I am absolutely aware of this but the 6+ is MUCH worse than my previous iPhone 5. If it were the same (as I was expecting) then I would be ok with it. I didn't expect a MUCH worse experience with a phone two generations newer.

There is nothing on an iPhone 5 that can run better that on an iPhone 6+.

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Lol. If you have a 6+ and use one app or one browser tab, and don't switch between them, then I guess you won't encounter any RAM issues. Just because you use your top of the range smartphone like a WAP-based phone from five years ago, it doesn't mean that I'm being a drama queen when I report the very real problems that I'm encountering!

As for swapping phones, yeah. I'll just pay off my £700 contract phone and buy a new one shall I? It's always the user's fault isn't it. Never Apple's. They can do no wrong. I seriously wonder why most of you guys buy smartphones because you don't seem to really use them. My 6+ fails at basic functionality and yet I'm a 'drama queen'. I guess that I should just put my £700 late-2014 premium smartphone down and get out my laptop if I need to do things that my iPhone 5 was capable of. That's your solution isn't it, or buy an Android phone.

PS I have never once mentioned a lack of speed. Read up on the RAM issues before spreading your own false information. I'm talking about app and browser reloading. The 6+ reloads for fun; stock apps, browser tabs, other apps. I cannot have two Safari tabs open and switch between them & one other app without all three reloading each time. That's disastrous and it didn't happen on the iPhone 5. I doubt it happens on the 5S or 4.7" i6 either. The 6+ has massive issues with this.
Yes, this time I fully agree with him. Your complains are baseless and plain false.
RAM on an iPhone 6+ is limited by design, but that doesn't absolutely mean you can't use multiple apps. That's just spreading false informations.
There are millions of happy customers out there, and many on this forum.
Stop whining about Safari, if that is so disastrous for you. I told you several times that I had much better results with Mercury. But you after not even listening to people. You are just keeping complaining and complaining about the same things.

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Apps restarting and tabs reloading has been part of the iOS experience since the first release.
If you bought an iPhone you should've been aware of this.

You should research a bit before you spend 700,- on something. :apple: always states, that iOS does not support real multitasking.

This.
Apple implementation of multitasking is different from Android. Not better not worse. Just different.
And it works, if you are aware of it.
Don't start write something, switch to another two apps and then switch back to Safari, it the reload hurts you so much.
I can switch from several tabs on any of my iDevices (including the iPad air that have higher resolution than your iPhone) , copy& past things between posts, all without reloads. I don't have a magic iPad, nor a magic iPhone. I'm just aware of the limitations of my devices.
 
Are new iphones starting to lag due to 1GB of RAM?

Lol. If you have a 6+ and use one app or one browser tab, and don't switch between them, then I guess you won't encounter any RAM issues. Just because you use your top of the range smartphone like a WAP-based phone from five years ago, it doesn't mean that I'm being a drama queen when I report the very real problems that I'm encountering!



As for swapping phones, yeah. I'll just pay off my £700 contract phone and buy a new one shall I? It's always the user's fault isn't it. Never Apple's. They can do no wrong. I seriously wonder why most of you guys buy smartphones because you don't seem to really use them. My 6+ fails at basic functionality and yet I'm a 'drama queen'. I guess that I should just put my £700 late-2014 premium smartphone down and get out my laptop if I need to do things that my iPhone 5 was capable of. That's your solution isn't it, or buy an Android phone.



PS I have never once mentioned a lack of speed. Read up on the RAM issues before spreading your own false information. I'm talking about app and browser reloading. The 6+ reloads for fun; stock apps, browser tabs, other apps. I cannot have two Safari tabs open and switch between them & one other app without all three reloading each time. That's disastrous and it didn't happen on the iPhone 5. I doubt it happens on the 5S or 4.7" i6 either. The 6+ has massive issues with this.


I didn't say I'm just using a single app at the time. I was merely paraphrasing that you suggest that must be the case if you don't encounter the issues you have. Well let me tell you that I don't. I have multiple open at any time, including multiple browser tabs. I just don't recognise the the dramatic loss in capability that you describe coming from my iPhone 5S. In fact on the contrary, I haven't felt the need to touch my iPad for the last three months, and Im doing stuff on my phone now that I previously only did on my laptop.

I just don't recognise at all your dramatic negatives.
 
Why worry about something today that hasn't even happened yet nor has got any reasonable indication that it will cause a problem. Besides by that time surely you'll have your phone upgraded anyway :)

Reasonable indication would be the iPhone 4S and iPad 2. There are clear differences in performance when it comes to app and tab reloading (512mb RAM vs 1gb). More indication this will be a problem is moving forward all devices will likely have 2gb of RAM. Basically the 6 will be the last device with 1gb giving it similar performance to the 4S currently later on.
 
Sure. There will always be a device that is the last inline. I'm not disagreeing with you on that. However what I do disagree about is that it should stop anyone from get the 6(+) now. It is so far in the future, and the phone is at the beginning of its lifecycle. Now if it was three or four years in, I probably fully agreed with you.
 
Lol. If you have a 6+ and use one app or one browser tab, and don't switch between them, then I guess you won't encounter any RAM issues. Just because you use your top of the range smartphone like a WAP-based phone from five years ago, it doesn't mean that I'm being a drama queen when I report the very real problems that I'm encountering!

As for swapping phones, yeah. I'll just pay off my £700 contract phone and buy a new one shall I? It's always the user's fault isn't it. Never Apple's. They can do no wrong. I seriously wonder why most of you guys buy smartphones because you don't seem to really use them. My 6+ fails at basic functionality and yet I'm a 'drama queen'. I guess that I should just put my £700 late-2014 premium smartphone down and get out my laptop if I need to do things that my iPhone 5 was capable of. That's your solution isn't it, or buy an Android phone.

PS I have never once mentioned a lack of speed. Read up on the RAM issues before spreading your own false information. I'm talking about app and browser reloading. The 6+ reloads for fun; stock apps, browser tabs, other apps. I cannot have two Safari tabs open and switch between them & one other app without all three reloading each time. That's disastrous and it didn't happen on the iPhone 5. I doubt it happens on the 5S or 4.7" i6 either. The 6+ has massive issues with this.

Thats weird and strange, I am actually able to hold a few Safari tabs open and have a few apps open in the background without my 6 Plus reloading it, so i think your 6 Plus might be defective because I just tried this on my 6 Plus right now and no apps didnt reload(had about 4 open)

Get your 6 Plus swapped, judging from the constant complaining with you, you should get a new one then, my 6 Plus is performing better then the Galaxy S4 on Android 4.4 KitKat with Snapdragon 600 and 2GB of RAM with less app reloads and better browser performance

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Reasonable indication would be the iPhone 4S and iPad 2. There are clear differences in performance when it comes to app and tab reloading (512mb RAM vs 1gb). More indication this will be a problem is moving forward all devices will likely have 2gb of RAM. Basically the 6 will be the last device with 1gb giving it similar performance to the 4S currently later on.

Thats totally wrong, the 6 and 6 plus are so far ahead of the 4S in performance and modern day support and architecture, the 6 plus and 6 will never essentially slow down like the 4S does now, long long gone are the days of old slow cortex A9 cores , we literally have laptop like cores in our device now

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I didn't say I'm just using a single app at the time. I was merely paraphrasing that you suggest that must be the case if you don't encounter the issues you have. Well let me tell you that I don't. I have multiple open at any time, including multiple browser tabs. I just don't recognise the the dramatic loss in capability that you describe coming from my iPhone 5S. In fact on the contrary, I haven't felt the need to touch my iPad for the last three months, and Im doing stuff on my phone now that I previously only did on my laptop.

I just don't recognise at all your dramatic negatives.

Same, have a few apps open and safari open right now as I type this and my other few apps i have open are not reloading at all and are instantenously reponsive and then i can come back here typing this with another tab open too, and still fine, he has been spewing his nonsensical hyperbole all week and month long , just let him be

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Again, someone else missing the point. I am absolutely aware of this but the 6+ is MUCH worse than my previous iPhone 5. If it were the same (as I was expecting) then I would be ok with it. I didn't expect a MUCH worse experience with a phone two generations newer.

Doubt it, your phone seems to be defective as my 6 Plus completly blows away and romps the 5 away in every utter way, in speed, in multitasking, everything. I am able to switch to other apps and have absolutely no delay or pause at all while there is a few second pause easily on the 5 when switching between apps, not to mention it isnt instantenously responsive either on the 5 unlike the 6 and 6 Plus
 
And again: This is not related to ram, but to programming.
The 5 has 1gb ram, too.

The i5 hardware is less demanding on RAM. It is 32bit, has a lower resolution screen, a smaller screen, and mine was running 7.1.2

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Thats weird and strange, I am actually able to hold a few Safari tabs open and have a few apps open in the background without my 6 Plus reloading it, so i think your 6 Plus might be defective because I just tried this on my 6 Plus right now and no apps didnt reload(had about 4 open)

Get your 6 Plus swapped, judging from the constant complaining with you, you should get a new one then, my 6 Plus is performing better then the Galaxy S4 on Android 4.4 KitKat with Snapdragon 600 and 2GB of RAM with less app reloads and better browser performance

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Thats totally wrong, the 6 and 6 plus are so far ahead of the 4S in performance and modern day support and architecture, the 6 plus and 6 will never essentially slow down like the 4S does now, long long gone are the days of old slow cortex A9 cores , we literally have laptop like cores in our device now

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Same, have a few apps open and safari open right now as I type this and my other few apps i have open are not reloading at all and are instantenously reponsive and then i can come back here typing this with another tab open too, and still fine, he has been spewing his nonsensical hyperbole all week and month long , just let him be

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Doubt it, your phone seems to be defective as my 6 Plus completly blows away and romps the 5 away in every utter way, in speed, in multitasking, everything. I am able to switch to other apps and have absolutely no delay or pause at all while there is a few second pause easily on the 5 when switching between apps, not to mention it isnt instantenously responsive either on the 5 unlike the 6 and 6 Plus

My 6+ is not defective, I have tried others in the Apple store. Also, there is no way on earth that your 6+ is better at multitasking than an iPhone 5. It is an impossibility.
*I have never mentioned speed issues. I'm not talking about speed at all.
 
The i5 hardware is less demanding on RAM. It is 32bit, has a lower resolution screen, a smaller screen, and mine was running 7.1.2

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My 6+ is not defective, I have tried others in the Apple store. Also, there is no way on earth that your 6+ is better at multitasking than an iPhone 5. It is an impossibility.
*I have never mentioned speed issues. I'm not talking about speed at all.

I have my brothers old i5 side by side next to me , it is far from impossible to "tell" i could tell immediately how much faster the 5s compared to the 5 when switching applications alone, the 6 is even faster in that regard

And if your 6 Plus is reloading constantly and cant even hold 2 apps open with Safari up like you claim, then clearly there is something wrong with your device as im able to have a few tabs and apps open without any reload

Speed is relative to multi tasking, and the 6 blows away the 5, with going back to apps that are "frozen" seconds faster then th 5 can, with also holding about same amount of apps open aswell

Your 6 Plus performing worse then the 5 and having unresponsive screen issues = defective device on your end as my 6 Plus does not exude any of that behavior

Im very technoligically inclined and can tell when there is frame drop, etc, bottleneck somewhere, etc, and my 6 Plus runs great
 
The only benefit i can see to having 1GB instead of 2GB in the new iPhones is power consumption, but i honestly have no clue how significant the impact on battery life 2GB over 1GB would have. I know increasing to 2GB is super super super cheap and would make so many people happier, whether reasonable or not. No one gets mad bc there phone or computer has too much RAM.

It prob just has more to do with needing to leave room to market the iPhone 6S next year. "The same slim revolutionary design with twice the RAM and the new A9 processor. iPhone 6S: the fastest iPhone ever."
 
The i5 hardware is less demanding on RAM. It is 32bit, has a lower resolution screen, a smaller screen, and mine was running 7.1.2

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My 6+ is not defective, I have tried others in the Apple store. Also, there is no way on earth that your 6+ is better at multitasking than an iPhone 5. It is an impossibility.
*I have never mentioned speed issues. I'm not talking about speed at all.

Again, this is just not true.
I just returned from an Apple store. I was there to buy a present for one friend, and I took some time to look at the iPhone 6+ web browsing behavior.
I just close every apps in background on a display unit (so a unit that's been on for all the day, touched by hundreds of people), except for mail and Safari. A fair test. I opened 4 tabs in Safari, all from the Apple website, that's known to be very rich on contents. One was the feedback page, where I started writing something. Well, I switched between those for tabs several times, scrolling the pages (iMac 5K, iPhone 6 and Apple Watch, so a lot of contents), then back to the feedback: no tab reloads.
Am I very lucky? Do I have a magic touch causing every iDevice I use to work properly?
I don't think so.

I didn't take any video, because I didn't want to upset the employees, so believe me or not, I don't care.
But to me this is an exaggerated myth.

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The only benefit i can see to having 1GB instead of 2GB in the new iPhones is power consumption, but i honestly have no clue how significant the impact on battery life 2GB over 1GB would have. I know increasing to 2GB is super super super cheap and would make so many people happier, whether reasonable or not. No one gets mad bc there phone or computer has too much RAM.

It prob just has more to do with needing to leave room to market the iPhone 6S next year. "The same slim revolutionary design with twice the RAM and the new A9 processor. iPhone 6S: the fastest iPhone ever."

No one is denying 2 Gb of RAM would have been better.
We are just demonstrating that the phone is perfectly usable with 1 Gb.

I'm looking forward to my iPhone 6S and its 2 Gb of RAM, but that doesn't change the fact my actual iPhone 6 is just a wonderful device. The best on the market on my opinion. By far.
 
No one is denying 2 Gb of RAM would have been better. We are just demonstrating that the phone is perfectly usable with 1 Gb.

I'm looking forward to my iPhone 6S and its 2 Gb of RAM, but that doesn't change the fact my actual iPhone 6 is just a wonderful device. The best on the market on my opinion. By far.

It seems like a lot of people on here are saying that 1GB is all we "needed" right now. Like Apple made this executive decision with end-user experience strictly under consideration when it was more likely financial in nature. Is the iPhone 6 and 6+ usable? Of course. Is it the best phone out there in our opinions? Of course, that's why we bought one. Even the best things out there have flaws, however.
 
The only benefit i can see to having 1GB instead of 2GB in the new iPhones is power consumption, but i honestly have no clue how significant the impact on battery life 2GB over 1GB would have. I know increasing to 2GB is super super super cheap and would make so many people happier, whether reasonable or not. No one gets mad bc there phone or computer has too much RAM.

It prob just has more to do with needing to leave room to market the iPhone 6S next year. "The same slim revolutionary design with twice the RAM and the new A9 processor. iPhone 6S: the fastest iPhone ever."


Oh don't get me wrong. You won't hear me complain about being given more memory. Heck why stop at 2GB :) I don't agree that it would make so many people happier, well not for much longer than perhaps the announcement because when reality kicks in and application lifecycle management kicks in by the OS I bet you that the same perceived issues will exhibit.
 
Use a 6+ for anything other than SMS and calls before you claim things like that. This thing performs like it has 250Mb of RAM.

I claim it, and I use my 6+ for more than just SMS and calls. God, get over yourself, man.

My 6+ performs great, but just because yours doesn't isn't a reason to try and belittle those of use with a perfectly functioning device by saying we don't use it enough, so we can't make claims about its functionality.
 
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