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One thing I've learned the past couple years is that if it's in a Mark Gurman article, it's probably true.

Unless he's wrong in which case he will say he was right but they changed their plans to spite him. :D
 
I certainly hope so. While I enjoy the iOS 8 beta 4, there are some minor annoyances that I'm looking forward to having potentially resolved in the next beta release.
 
Guys. There are continuous nightly betas/alphas. Apple is whipping their engineers around the clock on this.

The lack of pushing a dev beta merely means, new API are in a good enough state for app testing. Stop wasting time pushing releases out to third parties and semi public, and seriously buckle down on internal work.
 
I certainly hope so. While I enjoy the iOS 8 beta 4, there are some minor annoyances that I'm looking forward to having potentially resolved in the next beta release.

I'm guessing one of the bugs is Quick Reply! It's really annoying, hopefully we'll only have to put up with it for a few more days now.
 
One thing I've learned the past couple years is that if it's in a Mark Gurman article, it's probably true.

He's been dead wrong recently.

As if that weren't embarrassing enough, he then insisted that he was still right and that Apple changed Health's name and UI because he leaked them.

Uh-huh...

Edit: Seems someone beat me to this. *walks off dejectedly into the sunset*
 
That's true also, assuming you're talking about the Healthbook story. The same source also reported the Tips app and had screenshot of the icon, which was accurate.

Let's not forget he was the first person to report that there would be a health app in the first place.

http://9to5mac.com/2014/01/31/iwatc...t-to-redefine-mobile-health-fitness-tracking/

Given Apple's rumored goals with the wearable, I don't think it'd really take Gurman's sources to believe Apple was working on a health app.

Furthermore, the Tips icon shared by 9to5Mac, though conceptually accurate, isn't accurate. They're only the same in that they're yellow icons with incandescent light bulbs in them—which, again, isn't much of a shocker for a help app, especially given Apple's tendency to use shades of yellow for help-related functions.

In other words, you're being pretty anecdotal.
 
Given Apple's rumored goals with the wearable, I don't think it'd really take Gurman's sources to believe Apple was working on a health app.

Furthermore, the Tips icon shared by 9to5Mac, though conceptually accurate, isn't accurate. They're only the same in that they're yellow icons with incandescent light bulbs in them—which, again, isn't much of a shocker for a help app, especially given Apple's tendency to use shades of yellow for help-related functions.

In other words, you're being pretty anecdotal.

I feel like you're trying hard to discredite Mark Gurman but failing. Healthbook became Health and looks different now. Tips is stil Tips and 9to5 reported them both first. He always states that things could change before final release, and I don't think anyone doubts that Apple makes a lot of changes to software and hardware as they develop.
 
Regarding Gurman, one is only as good as their sources. The details may not always be there, but he is generally on the money about the bigger pictures being described. He is very trustworthy compared to many other sources that are blindly guessing.

As described by another poster in this thread, the 4th makes sense for a variety of schedule-related reasons.
 
Who wishes iOS 8 will be released in october so they really have time to polish it and add stuff?
 
Given Apple's rumored goals with the wearable, I don't think it'd really take Gurman's sources to believe Apple was working on a health app.

Furthermore, the Tips icon shared by 9to5Mac, though conceptually accurate, isn't accurate. They're only the same in that they're yellow icons with incandescent light bulbs in them—which, again, isn't much of a shocker for a help app, especially given Apple's tendency to use shades of yellow for help-related functions.

In other words, you're being pretty anecdotal.

I'm guessing it was common sense that there would be a tips app after 8 versions of iOS? :rolleyes:
 
Given Apple's rumored goals with the wearable, I don't think it'd really take Gurman's sources to believe Apple was working on a health app.

Furthermore, the Tips icon shared by 9to5Mac, though conceptually accurate, isn't accurate. They're only the same in that they're yellow icons with incandescent light bulbs in them—which, again, isn't much of a shocker for a help app, especially given Apple's tendency to use shades of yellow for help-related functions.

In other words, you're being pretty anecdotal.

The Tips icon was leaked in an early build of iOS 8 from weibo, Gurman only reported on it and shared those leaked screenshots (The ones that looked like iOS 7 still but with Preview, TextEdit, and Tips) I believe the Preview and TextEdit icons won't appear anymore since they will be in iCloud Drive. As for Tips, that was tweaked from its old design, and flattened further.
 
I predict we get beta 6 on the 18th or 25th, and then the Gold Master version on the 1st or 8th of September.
 
I predict we get beta 6 on the 18th or 25th, and then the Gold Master version on the 1st or 8th of September.



The past 3 release (iOS 5, 6, and 7) have had a space of almost or more of 30 days between the last beta and GM. I would say having a beta released that close to the GM is highly unlikely.
 
I feel like you're trying hard to discredite Mark Gurman but failing. Healthbook became Health and looks different now. Tips is stil Tips and 9to5 reported them both first. He always states that things could change before final release, and I don't think anyone doubts that Apple makes a lot of changes to software and hardware as they develop.

Or maybe some person thought it'd be fun to make a mockup of a Passbook-like app with cards for health data, then tweak the Passbook icon and call it Healthbook. I could probably get such a mockup done in a couple hours—really wouldn't be much work at all.

Did you consider the possibility that Gurman believed some mockup and pretended it was legitimate so he could get page views. (After all, his paycheck more than likely does rely on them.) I can say I have sources at Cupertino telling me about the next iOS release and that it'll drastically improve your device's battery life, but I'd be lying since I haven't the slightest of clues about iOS 9.

I can't bring myself to believe that 'Healthbook' was changed to Health.app, especially not because of Gurman's supposed leak. It'd have likely taken an entire rewrite of the app given the extent of the supposed UI changes, and I sincerely doubt Apple would go that far because someone leaked it.

I also sincerely doubt Apple even tested such a UI for Health.app, and if they did, it likely didn't last long: I can count over 50 card types included in Health, and a Passbook UI would be obnoxious after 10 or 20 cards.

Again, the idea of Apple developing a health data management app wasn't exactly a novel one. If Apple's goal with the wearable is indeed to make it (in part) a health-focused device, they'll likely want someplace into which that health data would go. Health.app is that place.
 
Or maybe some person thought it'd be fun to make a mockup of a Passbook-like app with cards for health data, then tweak the Passbook icon and call it Healthbook. I could probably get such a mockup done in a couple hours—really wouldn't be much work at all.

Did you consider the possibility that Gurman believed some mockup and pretended it was legitimate so he could get page views. (After all, his paycheck more than likely does rely on them.) I can say I have sources at Cupertino telling me about the next iOS release and that it'll drastically improve your device's battery life, but I'd be lying since I haven't the slightest of clues about iOS 9.

I can't bring myself to believe that 'Healthbook' was changed to Health.app, especially not because of Gurman's supposed leak. It'd have likely taken an entire rewrite of the app given the extent of the supposed UI changes, and I sincerely doubt Apple would go that far because someone leaked it.

I also sincerely doubt Apple even tested such a UI for Health.app, and if they did, it likely didn't last long: I can count over 50 card types included in Health, and a Passbook UI would be obnoxious after 10 or 20 cards.

Again, the idea of Apple developing a health data management app wasn't exactly a novel one. If Apple's goal with the wearable is indeed to make it (in part) a health-focused device, they'll likely want someplace into which that health data would go. Health.app is that place.

You still haven't given your theory on the Tips app leak. Source was definitely legitimate.

And again, there wasn't even a rumor of a tips app when the screenshot was leaked. So it would be a miraculous coincidence if a concept artist mocked up a new tips app that happened to have a yellow icon with a lightbulb. Apple spends a long time developing software, and it goes through many different alpha stages, UIs, and names.

For example, here's all the prototypes apple tested with the original iPhone.

http://www.cultofmac.com/181782/eve...ade-before-released-the-first-iphone-gallery/
 
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Sorry guys, but beta 5 will be released on August the 3rd, unless you are in Australia than it will obviously be August the 4th...
Anyway, who gives...
It will be released, when it's ready :)

August 3rd is today, Sunday. They won't release an update on a Sunday. It won't be until at least tomorrow, the 4th.
 
Or maybe some person thought it'd be fun to make a mockup of a Passbook-like app with cards for health data, then tweak the Passbook icon and call it Healthbook. I could probably get such a mockup done in a couple hours—really wouldn't be much work at all.
This seems very unlikely.

Did you consider the possibility that Gurman believed some mockup and pretended it was legitimate so he could get page views. (After all, his paycheck more than likely does rely on them.) I can say I have sources at Cupertino telling me about the next iOS release and that it'll drastically improve your device's battery life, but I'd be lying since I haven't the slightest of clues about iOS 9.
You could say whatever you wanted, and no one would believe you. This is because you have not built a reputation off of being correct. Gurman has.

I can't bring myself to believe that 'Healthbook' was changed to Health.app, especially not because of Gurman's supposed leak. It'd have likely taken an entire rewrite of the app given the extent of the supposed UI changes, and I sincerely doubt Apple would go that far because someone leaked it.
I don't think the Health app was changed because of Gurman. I think the Health App was changed because Apple wasn't done designing it.

I also sincerely doubt Apple even tested such a UI for Health.app, and if they did, it likely didn't last long: I can count over 50 card types included in Health, and a Passbook UI would be obnoxious after 10 or 20 cards.
There is a dashboard section that you add cards to, and still looks remarkably similar to the leaked shots. I have no question that they worked from a Passbook design.

Again, the idea of Apple developing a health data management app wasn't exactly a novel one. If Apple's goal with the wearable is indeed to make it (in part) a health-focused device, they'll likely want someplace into which that health data would go. Health.app is that place.
No one knew that was Apple's goal, until Mark Gurman reported it.
 
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