...and will only get worse as Apple moves away from the current deal. Obviously the overall picture will improve with the load being disbursed, but don't expect any warm hugs from at&t.
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...and will only get worse as Apple moves away from the current deal. Obviously the overall picture will improve with the load being disbursed, but don't expect any warm hugs from at&t.
It's technically impossible to have the same issues, as the networks have some major differences.
Data speed slowdown with mass users, sure, that could happen. Dropping voice calls because of more data users? No, can't happen. Verizon keeps voice and data comms separate. It's why Verizon can allow things like Slingplayer and VoIP over 3G without worrying about affecting their voice network.
In addition, Verizon's network was designed for CDMA radios from the beginning. ATT's network was designed for TDMA and has had to be retrofitted for WCDMA 3G (UMTS)... which means different (and more) tower placement, something that's taking them extra time and also causes dropped connections.
Sadly, you could type that out a hundred times but some people here will always think that Verizon would have the same (dropped call) problem as AT&T.
AT&T and VZW share a lot of the towers because they are owned by third party companies. for LTE the third party tower operators are upgrading their towers first.
i brought my in-laws to AT&T from VZW over the summer and they have cheapo AT&T phones. they talk more than I do on them and they never complain about dropped calls. in NYC i always have problems with my iphone.
last year there was a big issue with the 3G and some parts of the country where it wouldn't work right. i bet the same issues are there and i've read technical articles that said that the infeneon chips in the iphone aren't the best or as good as qualcomm and that the way the antenna is designed isn't very good either. i've noticed that a lot of times when i flip my 3GS sideways the signal drops
That's because most of the "experts" and apologists on an internet forum are completely ignorant about the differences between technologies.
This is such a scapegoat, I remember how horrible AT&T was even before the introduction of the iPhone. For me, the iPhone kept me with them at contract's end.
Facepalm...
Good grief. It's amazing how I keep hearing that different technologies are guaranteed to perform the same way. It's even more troubling to hear the many who will echo the falsehood because of fanaticism
Correct, but you also have to take into account population density. I'd imagine there's a lot of areas of Canada where there is no service as there's huge areas of the country uninhabited. With regards to Russia, heck I don't know... but I don't recall anyone claiming it was great or crappy. In fact I'm not sure I've ever seen a post from someone from Russia on any forum I've ever been to.
Correct, but you also have to take into account population density. I'd imagine there's a lot of areas of Canada where there is no service as there's huge areas of the country uninhabited. With regards to Russia, heck I don't know... but I don't recall anyone claiming it was great or crappy. In fact I'm not sure I've ever seen a post from someone from Russia on any forum I've ever been to.
San Francisco ain't exactly dense.
Do CDMA phones use signaling like GSM phones do?
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2...tm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rssarstechnia said:
They mean the paging channel (PCH), and yes, both systems use one (or more than one, in the case of CDMA 1xRTT voice + EVDO data networks).
The PCH delivers pages (rings - think "pager") to all phones within a multi-cell paging area. The pages could mean incoming voice calls, data comms, or texts.
To conserve battery, an idling phone only listens to the PCH every 2-5 seconds, during an assigned paging channel timeslot. If it hears a page for itself, the phone comes alive and instantly replies to the tower, which assigns the phone its own transfer channel to use until it goes back to sleep.
There can be a PCH overload situation if too many pages come at one time. Everything backs up, and soon the system is waiting for replies, and any further rings or texts or data ... to anyone in the paging area... are impossible.
(Under normal circumstances, paging channel overload should only happen during deliberate denial of service attacks... or temporarily with incoming flash crowd calls within a paging area. There are also various patented methods of preventing it that networks can employ.)
What the Arstechnica source seems to be saying, is that the iPhone goes into power saving idle mode too often. Therefore if the iPhone is waiting for data or push notifications to dribble in, the phone has to be woken up more often... which requires an extra incoming data wakeup page. So supposedly lots of iPhones in a cell paging area can cause a PCH overload.
That's the gist of it. I hope I made it understandable. Now whether it's true or not, I don't know. If it is true, then networks could and should make adjustments for it... or do better testing and not certify the phone until its behavior is changed.
By dense I'm also taking into account the density of the user base.... you gotta lotta high bandwidth folks up there.
I can't believe I'm in a forum defending ATT. Yeah I've had them for a long time. Yeah I have pretty good luck with them, at least in Phoenix.... I'm certainly not a fan though. I just don't hate them as much as most.
By dense I'm also taking into account the density of the user base.... you gotta lotta high bandwidth folks up there.
I can't believe I'm in a forum defending ATT. Yeah I've had them for a long time. Yeah I have pretty good luck with them, at least in Phoenix.... I'm certainly not a fan though. I just don't hate them as much as most.
but we also probably have as high a concentration of people using verizon aircards and android phone as anywhere (in the SF bay area), and, again, it's AT&T customers who can't ever get a signal, not verizon customers.
I'll certainly conced that point, particularly on the aircards as I know they're popular. I have 3 of them, one for myself, and 2 for employees. Not sure the amount of androids can compare to iphones though. The last time I was in San Fran it seemed like the iPhone was the official phone of the city.
I don't think there's much doubt...in the real, non blinkered world that the iPhone performance as an actual phone, quality and reception wise is substandard.
I can go to areas where I have reception with another phone but nothing on the iPhone.
My iPhone has now been offically unlocked and so I have tried 2 other Networks and the result is the same.
Virtually any other phone (3g. EDGE or GPRS) is better at obtaining and keeping a signal.
Not saying ATT are good but the iPhone hardware is definitely a handicap for any Network Operator.
I can go to areas where I have reception with another phone but nothing on the iPhone.
My iPhone has now been offically unlocked and so I have tried 2 other Networks and the result is the same.
Virtually any other phone (3g. EDGE or GPRS) is better at obtaining and keeping a signal.
Not saying ATT are good but the iPhone hardware is definitely a handicap for any Network Operator.
Dude please show me where all iphone users are having this problem all over the world. I have used the iphone in Canada, USA, Germany, and Ghana in Africa and have never experienced such problems.
Do you live in Canada, I guess all those iphones I see around in Toronto are figments of my imagination.
If you knew anything about GSM phones at all, you'd know that they added a separate WCDMA radio for 3G. (CDMA radios allow for more users and greater bandwidth than a 2G GSM radio.)
While not compatible, it's derived from the same roots as the CDMA radio used by carriers such as Sprint or Verizon.
If you think about it in terms of air interface, they all did
Indeed.
What does the drivel you wrote have to do with carriers dropping CDMA and moving onto GSM. Latest carriers to do this are Bell and Telus in Canada. Soon only Verizon and Sprint will be holding onto that relic. But anyways keep deluding yourself into believing that your CDMA is part of GSM. Your inferior technology is being dropped dead, time to move on just like the many carriers moving on.
Really? So CDMA has nothing to do with WCDMA. Please note that I am not talking about CDMA2000 which again only shares the air interface (at the basic they are both using code division multiple access sense).
Gotta love people that only know buzzwords.
WCDMA
(Wideband Code Division Multiple Access)
Wideband CDMA is a third-generation (3G) wireless standard which utilizes one 5 MHz channel for both voice and data, initially offering data speeds up to 384 Kbps. WCDMA is the 3G technology used in the US by AT&T and T-Mobile.
Link -> http://www.phonescoop.com/glossary/term.php?gid=104