More like AT&T is to blame for AT&T's network. It was crap years ago and its crap now, they need to reinvest some of that money made from iPhone sales back into the infrastructure.
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Article Suggests iPhone is to Blame for AT&T's Network Failures
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This claim infuriates me and I can clearly see AT$T is behind this FUD. If this doesn't put the final nail in the coffin for them by Apple, I don't know what will!
As an original iPhone 2G user, over a 1 1/2 year timespan, I saw my reception go from 3 bars to 2 bars and finally 1/0 bars. First they tried to tell me it was me, their network was great. Then they blamed it on Apple and/or my iPhone, so Apple gave me a new phone. Then they blamed the trees around my house and lately they have blamed my microwave and refrigerator!
It is SOOOOO obvious $eth the $hill wrote that article for the NY Times! It is a slap in the face and an insult to my intelligence, seeing this low sniveling stab-in-the back approach by AT$T!
As an original iPhone 2G user, over a 1 1/2 year timespan, I saw my reception go from 3 bars to 2 bars and finally 1/0 bars. First they tried to tell me it was me, their network was great. Then they blamed it on Apple and/or my iPhone, so Apple gave me a new phone. Then they blamed the trees around my house and lately they have blamed my microwave and refrigerator!
It is SOOOOO obvious $eth the $hill wrote that article for the NY Times! It is a slap in the face and an insult to my intelligence, seeing this low sniveling stab-in-the back approach by AT$T!
The article quotes Paul Carter, president of Global Wireless Solutions, saying they have covered more than three million miles of roads this year [...] and AT&Ts data throughput is 40 to 50 percent higher than the competition.
LOL! Because road mileage is obviously a measure of throughput!
Of course, he failed to mention AT&T's lack of coverage on that 3 million miles of road.
"AT&T is a client and Verizon is not, he added."
Well, that explains everything.
LOL! Because road mileage is obviously a measure of throughput!
Of course, he failed to mention AT&T's lack of coverage on that 3 million miles of road.
"AT&T is a client and Verizon is not, he added."
Well, that explains everything.
You shoud read the artcle about iPhone syndrome (http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-10414356-71.html?tag=dis). You totally fit the description.
I read it. It's a valid point. iPhone users have definitely defended their big ticket purchase that lacked significant features or suffered from issues. Actually, I don't own an iPhone. The niche between my MBP, little used cell phone and work BB hasn't been big enough to justify it.
It's still the premise of the article I have an issue with. ATT's behavior has been questionable on several points. Timeliness of supporting new features. Quality of activations. Wishy Washy on wifi policies. And my own experience is similar. My cell is Verizon, BB is ATT. Both are on my local tower. I can use the cell in my basement, my BB only outside on the porch. My firm is no longer doing new ATT BB's. Verizon only, despite a slightly higher rate.
Now a study indicating it's not US, it's THEM. Weak.
How am I a true Apple fanboi? I'm just stating a simple fact. Apple is currently running a ton of ads touting the iPhone's simultaneous voice & data use and stating "Can your phone do that?"
Whether lots of people will use the feature is debatable, but it is an AT&T advantage, not to mention AT&T's speed advantage in its 3G areas.
The real problem here is too many people are using their iPhones for data for just ONE cell carrier to handle and iPhone's tend to have higher data usage than the typical smart phone (although that is changing with the newer competition being more, ummm, "iPhone-like"). That's the problem that Apple needs to address when their contract with AT&T is up if AT&T hasn't solved these problems by then and I'm pretty damn sure AT&T knows it.
A potentially bigger question is will the problem get worse as more and more iPhones are sold? That's a scary thought.
Good point. Maybe I'll switch my iPhone to 2G and see if that fixes the dropped call issue for now.
Wow, awesome! Our town is getting 3G coverage "sometime next year"!
Meanwhile...
http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/post.cfm?id=4g-networks-open-for-business-sort-2009-12-14
F@#$%k!!!
But yea, it's really Apples fault, for making a phone people actually want to use.
Meanwhile...
http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/post.cfm?id=4g-networks-open-for-business-sort-2009-12-14
F@#$%k!!!
But yea, it's really Apples fault, for making a phone people actually want to use.
Thanks for the link. However this article is totally pointless. I realize that our discussion totally lacks serious arguments because we simply do not have access to relevant data. But it is just a forum discussion. For [serious] technical publication to make such claims without providing any data supporting it is just ridiculous. But it is easy to understand why they would do it
You're falling all over your own words. It's horrible to watch.
NETWORK PROBLEM. Allow it to sink in.
+1. I estimate that at least 50% (maybe higher) of the time I'm on a call, I'm also checking email, on the web, sending a text etc. If you have the ability to do so, why would you not get other things done while on a call? I routinely use my phone for conference calls and am using data services the whole time.
If you do the math on AT&T's income (from $80 cell phone bills) and their extremely high dividends they pay to investors, you will see that they are clearly under-funding their network infrastructure.
And if Verizon had an exclusive on the iPhone, it's network would be dead on arrival.
I equate this with football. The starting quarterback is not doing as well as you'd like, so you just fall in love with the backup quarterback sitting on the bench...trouble is, he's a backup for a reason and when he finally gets into the game, you begin to hate him too...why? Because he did not perform the way you dreamed he would.
It's the same here. Verizon's network could no more handle the iPhone exclusively that AT&T can at the moment.
So why can all (or at least most) of the foreign networks that have iPhone handle the load?
i love AT&T, I wish Apple would leave them alone.
How, exactly, is Apple not "leaving them alone?"
iPhone is part of network
I agree that the ultimate responsibility lies with AT&T. If they knew that iPhone had technical issues and did not cancel its sales, they are guilty of greed. That is not to say that iPhone has nothing to do with the problems. If indeed it has interference problems, Apple should have fixed them.
I agree that the ultimate responsibility lies with AT&T. If they knew that iPhone had technical issues and did not cancel its sales, they are guilty of greed. That is not to say that iPhone has nothing to do with the problems. If indeed it has interference problems, Apple should have fixed them.
Possible but incredibly unlikely
I didn't take the time to read the entire article, just what's on this site, but to me it seems possible. But I'm pretty sure this is all just speculation, meant to stir up trouble, not anything based on actual facts. In theory I suppose this could happen, but I just think its very unlikely.
I didn't take the time to read the entire article, just what's on this site, but to me it seems possible. But I'm pretty sure this is all just speculation, meant to stir up trouble, not anything based on actual facts. In theory I suppose this could happen, but I just think its very unlikely.
Correction
You are multitasking. It looks like Droid would be a better fit for you Most actions that you described you can do on Verizon without problems. e-mails are stored on the phone and do not need access to Internet. Same is true with sending e-mails. They will be stored and sent when you finish talking.
The type of calls your are describing sound like customer service calls In this case you probably would be better off (money wise) by switching to Verizon and using Vonage VOIP application - cheap plus you could share voice and data.
You are multitasking. It looks like Droid would be a better fit for you
Most actions that you described you can do on Verizon without problems. e-mails are stored on the phone and do not need access to Internet. Same is true with sending e-mails. They will be stored and sent when you finish talking. The type of calls your are describing sound like customer service calls
In this case you probably would be better off (money wise) by switching to Verizon and using Vonage VOIP application - cheap plus you could share voice and data.Let's work on your analogy
Let's say I bought a tank and took it for a ride to downtown. Traffic is jammed. Who is to blame?
Let's say I bought a tank and took it for a ride to downtown. Traffic is jammed. Who is to blame?
You are multitasking. It looks like Droid would be a better fit for you
Using data services (as the poster suggests) while using the phone is not something "you can do on Verizon without problems." Caching outgoing mails is not an acceptable solution, and doesn't deal with the situation where you need incoming mail, or where you need to send a mail immediately (for example, when on a conference call, I frequently need to send mail to a co-worker warning them that the other participant is trying to negotiate us into a trap, etc. - these emails are real time).
If the same company that built the road is the company that eagerly sells tanks to all comers, promising them zero traffic wait time, and refuses to let the tanks go on any other road, then the party to blame is the company that built the road.
This is what AT&T does. They claim they have the fastest network. They negotiated an exclusive iPhone deal so the load can't be spread. They sell and market iPhones as much as they can. They promise unlimited bandwidth. etc.
That's a valid example. Obviously, for some people such usage scenario is important. On the other hand, it is first time in my life that I hear about people/businesses using cell phones for conference calls
I hate the quality of the sound even on the conference calls held over regular phone lines.