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Article Suggests iPhone is to Blame for AT&T's Network Failures
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Thanks for the link. However this article is totally pointless. I realize that our discussion totally lacks serious arguments because we simply do not have access to relevant data. But it is just a forum discussion. For [serious] technical publication to make such claims without providing any data supporting it is just ridiculous. But it is easy to understand why they would do it
The article isn't pointless. They go on to debunk the NY Times article by showing how they don't have any data to back up the claim.
Why should they have data if the NYT doesn't ? Data to prove that the iPhone is not the problem ? You can't prove a negative unfortunately for Ars.
Not to mention Ars is not a pro-Apple publication, I don't see why you're trying to say they have a bias.
The more I read you, the more I'm thinking you're somekind of AT&T shill/astroturfer and not just a AT&T fanboy. What's your salary for posting in this thread ?
No one said it is, but AT&T's network clearly sucks. Seems like you are in denial of that.
Canada? Russia? The iPhone has plenty of users there and their land area is much larger than ours.
LISTEN UP! For all you AT&T haters out there...
AT&T Bellsouth deducted $5.00 from my $149.00 phone/DSL bill for my inconvenience of having to call 14 times in the last 3 months because they were throttling my bandwidth and my 2Wire kept dropping the connection.
THANKS FOR THE BUCK!!!1
For all you AT&T haters out there...THIS IS WHY I
ATT!
AT&T Bellsouth deducted $5.00 from my $149.00 phone/DSL bill for my inconvenience of having to call 14 times in the last 3 months because they were throttling my bandwidth and my 2Wire kept dropping the connection.
THANKS FOR THE BUCK!!!1
Right, so Cisco spent money for no reason whatsoever to create a webex client for the iPhone and blackberry according to you.That's a valid example. Obviously, for some people such usage scenario is important. On the other hand, it is first time in my life that I hear about people/businesses using cell phones for conference calls
So AT&T is indirectly blaming Apple for their own crappy network. Nice. See, a friend of mine was saying that Apple would go with Verizon in addition to AT&T..
I think they're going to ditch AT&T and start talking about AT&T being crap and Verizon being much better, faster,etc.. just watch. That's one thing Steve is good at, getting the fanboys all riled up, and then pulling an about face on them. XD
I think they're going to ditch AT&T and start talking about AT&T being crap and Verizon being much better, faster,etc.. just watch. That's one thing Steve is good at, getting the fanboys all riled up, and then pulling an about face on them. XD
While NYT does not have/provide the data they claim to have the "source" who knows the subject (data). Arstechnica has neither data nor source. They are just speculating (just like us
)Probably will not happened
But knowing Steve ... Imagine this did happen How would all current owners of iPhone feel about it? That would be unprecedented but too sad for many.
But knowing Steve ... Imagine this did happen
How would all current owners of iPhone feel about it? That would be unprecedented but too sad for many.
While NYT does not have/provide the data they claim to have the "source" who knows the subject (data). Arstechnica has neither data nor source. They are just speculating (just like us
Except like pointed out by Ars, their "source" is bunk. That is essentially Ars' claim. One of the NYT's sources is a paid shill, the other doesn't have their data collection running on iPhones.
They aren't speculating at all, they just say that lack of evidence means the article is bunk. And they are right.
Essentially, they just posted an official : [citation needed], which is far from pointless or speculation.
That's a valid example. Obviously, for some people such usage scenario is important. On the other hand, it is first time in my life that I hear about people/businesses using cell phones for conference calls
I can only imagine you aren't someone who has a lot of conference calls - what happens is that the conference is set up by someone on a landline using a conference service (for example, at&t offers them). Then, everyone "dials in" from wherever they are. If I'm in a car or not in the office, as is often the case, I dial in to the conference number using my cellphone.
And please explain to me how this can be Apple's fault given that iPhone works everywhere else in the world, no phones work well on AT&T (at least in SF and NY, as admitted by AT&T, and, in my informal testing, in Los Angeles and D.C. as well).
Steve getting the fanboys all riled up...
Not with this ammo...
AT&T given Best Mobile Phone Coverage in the World award
Of course the conspiracy theory people will have to look at who owns Business Traveler Magazine.
http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=4800&cdvn=news&newsarticleid=30223
You're right. Being able to talk to your friend while looking up directions to a place you're meeting at is totally not convenient at all, right?
LOL at some of the ridicilous conlusions. If the iphone was so crap, how come you don't hear complaints from other iphone users in other countries and not every iphone is on AT&T. There are tens million of iphone users outside the United States. I have used the iphone in Canada in the Toronto and on AT&T in New Jersey and have had no problems.
What? AT&T didn't blame the iPhone for anything. You obviously didn't read the article fully. This is some analyst/writer commenting that it is the iPhone which makes AT&T bad. The article clearly says AT&T never said anything about it.
THE BLAME GAME: END OF STORY.
You guys don't seem to get it... Nobody blames the pizza dude for a cold pizza and a 45 min wait. It's the general manager takes the heat as he is responsible for his whole staff and the operation of the business. And when sales fall short, the stockholders drill the CEO. They don't care if he made a deal with Apple, Google or the devil himself.
A customer pays for a service, it better perform. The phone lines must be up, regardless of earthquakes, foreclosures and the Saints going to the Superbowl. EVEN IF (bear with me) the iPhone was complete garbage- you're paying AT&T for a monthly service. Your contract is not with Apple.
There's no ground for them to say anything because they're pimpin' the sh*t out of it. What are they going to say, "The iPhone sucks, oh well
"? That translates into "Our horrible management sold you this horrible product". No one at AT&T is stupid enough to say something like that. Now, the New York Times is a different story. The media will write anything to get you to read their crap.You give AT&T $$$
They're responsible for the network.
Some guy at the NYT wants a big thread on MacRumors about his article
/THREAD
Simple. The Japanese and Europeans are far ahead of the US when it comes to networks. Not sure if I blame this on the companies or government regulations. Might be a smidgeon of both.
I think the biggest problem with AT&T is that they hoard all of the income and give it to their CEO, corporate officers, and have a HUGE 5% dividend! (most companies have a smaller dividend than 5%. 5% is large)
As a result, the network is neglected. This business model is unsustainable long-term.
As a result, the network is neglected. This business model is unsustainable long-term.
How do you figure 5%? Looks like 0.41 cents a share, with a share price of around $20. Less than 0.5%.
I think you misread the article you quote. That's not apple "screwing up" that's apple using the same board for multiple ( future ) products. They may never use it even.
This happens all the time in the electronics industry.
Expansion ports that never get enabled. ( original Tivo PCI port, the Sega genesis "system on a joystick" device had a 2nd joystick port )
Devices that purposefully underclock (many many examples of this... most linksys NAS for instance ) .
Boards with advanced features that don't get used. ( TivoHD has an MPEG4 decoder/encoder that for some flipping reason isn't used)
Who knows why.... product differentiation, licensing, cost at production, QA product MTBF... who knows?
Oh oh! I know! The company that said, "Hey, yea, we can handle twenty million tanks on our roads, so give us the exclusive right to sell twenty million of your tanks to our customers for use on our congested downtown roads!"
Again, AT&T.
If you actually read this thread, you would have seen that operators with exclusive iPhone deals (and therefore a high number of them in their network) routinely have this problem all over the world. I have seen numerous countries mentioned.
The real reason for the problems with AT&T is probably that the manufacturer of AT&T's infrastructure either has been unable to fix it in a firmware update for their cell towers or that upgrading every single cell tower across the US with new firmware would be too costly.
There are many more operators with the same problem, which has been repeated several times in this thread. And as I said earlier, I got first-hand information about Norwegians largest operator noticing these problems prior to the iPhone launch here, and fixing it with a firmware upgrade for their cell towers.
