ASAP downgrade iPhone 6s

[Peter K.]

That's interesting.
Im not sure its the same thing or works the same.
If it does I wouldn't mind at all paying for a Dev account.
But again even I could install Cydia on iOS 11.0.3 for example what good is it if all JB hacks dont work for that ios version? Public JB's have to be out for many cydia devs and others to work, debug, troubleshoot and upgrade and put out new Cydia hacks.
I really miss those days.

I agree with you regarding a Developer account being worth the cost, IF this were really possible.

Is it? Anybody (else)...Bueller?

 

[dogslobber]

I agree with you regarding a Developer account being worth the cost, IF this were really possible.

Is it? Anybody (else)...Bueller?

You can install any apps you self sign from your developer account providing you compile from source. You don't even need a paid developer account as you're not publishing to the Apple iOS store.

https://git.saurik.com

 

[Gathomblipoob]

They stopped signing 10.3.3 about 7 das ago.

The OTA version is still available for some devices, apparently.

 

[akash.nu]

You can install any apps you self sign from your developer account providing you compile from source. You don't even need a paid developer account as you're not publishing to the Apple iOS store.

https://git.saurik.com

This is true. Although I’ve never tried it with Cydia myself but theoretically as long as all the dependencies are content within the code base one should be able to compile and install that app.

Not sure if that will mean you would be able to download themes and stuff like that from Cydia. Because that will require root access.

 

[Applejuiced]

Correct.
That's another big obstacle.

This is true. Although I’ve never tried it myself but theoretically as long as all the dependencies are content within the code base one should be able to compile and install that app.

Not sure if that will mean you would be able to download themes and stuff like that from Cydia. Because that will require root access.

 

[eyoungren]

You can install any apps you self sign from your developer account providing you compile from source. You don't even need a paid developer account as you're not publishing to the Apple iOS store.

https://git.saurik.com

But you need people/companies providing the source code.

Don't recall if you remember how hard Apple leaned on the developers of f.lux when it was being sideloaded a year or so ago.

One day the code was there. One day it was not.

Apple has contacted us to say that the f.lux for iOS download (previously available on this page) is in violation of the Developer Program Agreement, so this method of install is no longer available.

We understood that the new Xcode signing was designed to allow such use, but Apple has indicated that this should not continue.

https://justgetflux.com/sideload/

The hitch here is that anyone offering the code up to compile and sideload is going to be nailed by Apple for violating their developer agreement. Try doing anything once Apple revokes your dev account.

 

[dogslobber]

But you need people/companies providing the source code.

Don't recall if you remember how hard Apple leaned on the developers of f.lux when it was being sideloaded a year or so ago.

One day the code was there. One day it was not.



https://justgetflux.com/sideload/

The hitch here is that anyone offering the code up to compile and sideload is going to be nailed by Apple for violating their developer agreement. Try doing anything once Apple revokes your dev account.

Is this really a problem for the majority of apps available through Cydia? flux is in an awkward position because it wants to do the right thing. But the majority of source code can be provided for free and a swift middle finger will right Apple's leaning on developers, especially if they don't know who the developer is.

 

[Applejuiced]

Yes I don't think any cydia package dev will just hand you the source code for his app.
And then the root access needed for many things like cydia substrate and other dependencies needed for deeper file system read\write access.

Is this really a problem for the majority of apps available through Cydia? flux is in an awkward position because it wants to do the right thing. But the majority of source code can be provided for free and a swift middle finger will right Apple's leaning on developers, especially if they don't know who the developer is.

 

[dogslobber]

Yes I don't think any cydia package dev will just hand you the source code for his app.
And then the root access needed for many things like cydia substrate and other dependencies needed for deeper file system read\write access.

It’s probably much easier than this. If you can get your self signed sshd onto it then you’re mostly there. You should’ve be able to get Cydia installed easily via scp and then boom. In terms of root access, I think there will be holes that can be found once you have shell access. Those root processes might be hardened from the network side but I’d doubt they’ve got all buffer overruns for daemons via the shell.

 

[eyoungren]

Is this really a problem for the majority of apps available through Cydia? flux is in an awkward position because it wants to do the right thing. But the majority of source code can be provided for free and a swift middle finger will right Apple's leaning on developers, especially if they don't know who the developer is.

I can't say. What you say makes some sense, but it just doesn't work that way.

I think you may be under the impression that most tweaks or apps in Cydia are provided by highschool kids screwing around on their iPhone. The reality is that Cydia is a business and the front end for payment to many of these developers who make their living this way. Many of my tweaks are paid. I know the devs would be less than enthusiastic about providing their source code.

To put a tweak up on one of the major repos you there is some vetting even if it's not like Apple. There's the maintainer who's responsible for putting the tweak up and maintaining it. He/she has an email address. Then you have the dev who you contact through an email address. And then there's the repo itself which can also be contacted.

I'm not saying finding out who's who would be fast and easy, but if you're a JB dev with something to hide then the JB community is automatically suspicious of you anyway and very few people are going to run the risk of compiling any code you put up.

And sure there are less than reputable repos. But if you're going there you can't expect things to go the way you think they will.

I certainly would not trust anything on my device from those sources.
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It’s probably much easier than this. If you can get your self signed sshd onto it then you’re mostly there. You should’ve be able to get Cydia installed easily via scp and then boom. In terms of root access, I think there will be holes that can be found once you have shell access. Those root processes might be hardened from the network side but I’d doubt they’ve got all buffer overruns for daemons via the shell.

What about KPP? Kernel Panic Protection.

Anything that modifies the kernel automatically triggers a kernel panic. This is the major reason there are only untethered jailbreaks right now.

 

[FunkyTang]

Heh. My 6s still has 9.3.5. It's so fast, stutter free with awesome battery life.

 

[dogslobber]

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I can't say. What you say makes some sense, but it just doesn't work that way.

I think you may be under the impression that most tweaks or apps in Cydia are provided by highschool kids screwing around on their iPhone. The reality is that Cydia is a business and the front end for payment to many of these developers who make their living this way. Many of my tweaks are paid. I know the devs would be less than enthusiastic about providing their source code.

I've not done a jailbreak since iOS 7 or 8 so can't recall all the details. When I wanted to tether my GF unlimited plan I was able to download source for a tethering app, sign it, and easily install it. The intuitive extension to this is installing something that gives shell access and allows you to login and get Cydia running via alternate means. This could even be the Cydia installer app you self-sign. It's be an interesting experiment but I've not tried.

What about KPP? Kernel Panic Protection.

Anything that modifies the kernel automatically triggers a kernel panic. This is the major reason there are only untethered jailbreaks right now.

Running as UID 0 is still user land so I wouldn't think it would trigger a panic. Although I don't know if SIP is supported and enabled in iOS 10 which might protect certain tools ala SIP in Sierra and El Cap. Interesting questions.

 

[tromboneaholic]

I’m not a fan of jailbreaking. I rooted my Android phone when I had one, and jailbroke my first iPhone. It requires more effort on my part and more trust in all the parties involved.

 

[eyoungren]

I’m not a fan of jailbreaking. I rooted my Android phone when I had one, and jailbroke my first iPhone. It requires more effort on my part and more trust in all the parties involved.

Jailbreaking isn't for everyone.

However, I will just say that it's a small community. Word about bad faith, malware and dishonest developers gets around.

Not trying to convince you, just stating facts.

 

[tromboneaholic]

Jailbreaking isn't for everyone.

However, I will just say that it's a small community. Word about bad faith, malware and dishonest developers gets around.

Not trying to convince you, just stating facts.

Wozniak and Captiain Crunch were essentially jailbrealing the phone company. Keep it up.
[doublepost=1507862597][/doublepost]I wouldn’t spend the time to find a whistle to reset a network, but I’m glad there a people who do.

 

[Applejuiced]

Interesting points.
But I don't think it's as easy as just getting an Apple developer account.
If it was we would all be paying the $99 annual fee to have cydia and be able to instal any hacks we want. I wouldn't even flinch for a second to have my devices jb for $99 per year. It wouldn't even be a need any more to find exploits and put out jailbrakes

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I've not done a jailbreak since iOS 7 or 8 so can't recall all the details. When I wanted to tether my GF unlimited plan I was able to download source for a tethering app, sign it, and easily install it. The intuitive extension to this is installing something that gives shell access and allows you to login and get Cydia running via alternate means. This could even be the Cydia installer app you self-sign. It's be an interesting experiment but I've not tried.

Running as UID 0 is still user land so I wouldn't think it would trigger a panic. Although I don't know if SIP is supported and enabled in iOS 10 which might protect certain tools ala SIP in Sierra and El Cap. Interesting questions.