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Popularity != quality product

Otherwise we'd all be saying windows is fantastic, the best thing since slice bread or the round wheel.

Since when did what's most popular mean its the best product?
 
No, that doesn't always work. I've had a bumper on mine since a few days, and 3 phones have had this issue. I drop calls constantly, and people say I sound like I'm talking on speakerphone in a cave. Most people get off the phone with me in frustration of not being able to clearly hear me.

Never had these issues in 3 years of iPhones.

The only time this is all corrected is with the headset, but that's not always available.

Well then there must be a problem with your iPhone I would strongly suggest you take it back and get an exchange, I promise you this is not the case for me so there has to be something wrong with your phone.

If this is really as you say then I can understand your frustration but you need to get proactive and get it exchanged rather than posting about it, no one can help you here.
 
CR's report is not good news for Apple but it does represent an opportunity. Apple should make good. First, they need to admit to themselves ( assuming that they have not already donnas so) that there is a design flaw in this latest iPhone model. Second, they should financially compensate all earl adopters and give them free bumpers.

Compensation will cost Apple tens of mill ins of dollars but, the company can afford it. What it cannot afford, and what no company with Apple's profile can afford is the negative reputation hit.

Maybe you should wait until the software update comes out before calling it a design flaw. If you look back to the independent analysis that was done after the iPhone was released, the antenna is much more sensitive then the previous antenna although the attenuation is also higher (when held in the corner).
 
Sounds like Consumer reports got paid off to say something bad about the iPhone 4 after thier score of 76/100 and that it was the best smart phone. They still say it's the best, but because of the antenna issue "we can't recomend it", I wounder who paid them to say that? I'll bet they all have one! I still can't get over how big of a deal some people are making out of the antenna issue, I mean come on, they had to go out of there way to make it happen in there labs and under normal testing they couldn't get it to happen!!! Under "normal" testing they said it was the best smart phone!!!
The so called antenna issue does not bother me at all, and I can only get it to drop a bar or 2 in a bad signal area but still never drop a call or data!!!

The iPhone 4 is the best smart phone period!!!

Yeah, and except for that little gas tank problem, the Ford Pinto was a very safe vehicle!

If you've kept up with only 3% of the reports on this you'd know it doesn't take "trying" or a lab environment to make this happen. Depending on location, position, normal holding methods, etc. it happens every day in normal use for lot's of people.

The point of the rating is that it's a fatal flaw that can't be overlooked, much like the Pinto gas tank. It simply can't be overlooked. It's like having your daughter bring home a young suitor who's pulling a 4.0 GPA at Harvard, is heir to a billion dollar business, is great with kids, but also happens to have murdered their last three girlfriends.
 
Buy a case for it. That's the solution. You should anyway because it's so expensive. You change the oil on you car to protect the engine, why not buy a case to protect your phone?
 
The sim trimming is bogus. People that initially reported success with it came back and said it was. The phone simply connected to a different tower with better signal on boot up after the sim was removed and reinserted.

Same is probably true of exchanged iPhone 4s.

Fact is, no one who says they are "unaffected" have posted a clear video showing 2-3 bars and then putting their finger on the gap, clearly and visibly (the last video, the guy never showed the corner, only said he was covering it, yeah, we believe you pal.. :rolleyes:) and not having the signal drop.

Until they do, it's 100% of iPhone 4s.

So all 1.7 million iPhone 4 owners must post a video clearly showing in their day to day regular use that they are unaffected in order for you to believe that not everyone out there is effected? Maybe you have time for that but I surely don't. Who are you to say that we are all affected when clearly all are not. I might not get the best internet coverage in all parts of town or the best signal, but that is standard for all cell phones on all networks in any area. I have yet to drop a call in the areas where I use my phone on a regular basis. If someone is genuinely happy with their phone stop trying to rain on their parade, and let them be happy!
 
Buy a case for it. That's the solution. You should anyway because it's so expensive. You change the oil on you car to protect the engine, why not buy a case to protect your phone?

that's not a fair analogy. why put a toyota bumper on your ferrari?
 
This has been almost totally lost in all the headlines I saw today - they were all about how Consumer Reports nailed Apple on the reception issue, barely mentioning the fact that the iphone scores were so strong otherwise.

Perception is reality and this is becoming a brand issue that I hope Apple begins to confront in a better way. The idea of a coating sounds good, but would it last? I'd love to hear what percentage of phones are impacted.

LOL. It fails to function well in its primary capacity. How could you recommend it???? You can't -- and they didn't.

Apple fail. No worries, they will rebound.
 
The smartphone that Consumer Reports says it can’t recommend, is also the one ranked highest in its latest ratings.

Even when Apple "loses" they still win. Just goes to show the strength of this product.

Last time I checked, a 76 out of 100 is a "C".

Doesn't make me feel better knowing no one else's kid got an "A" when mine comes home with a "C".
Apple's better than that, and for them to deny the problem, brush it off with "don't hold it that way" and "every cell phone does that" is shameful.
 
no career as an antenna for me

ah well, i thought i saw an opportunity for myself later in life, i think i am too squishy inside

anyhow: use iphone4 all the time traveling from philly to nyc thru to long island and it works sooo much better than 3gs, on trains, as phone and datapiece..

battery clobbers it too! (i keep my 3gs on another line along with the 4 so i can compare both, signal-wise and thoroughput-wise on "express" delayed NJ transit rides)

but as an unsightly human, i can't help but be influenced by all this noise.. i try to hold it "better" when signal drops or my hand gets a little moist...

i wanna be objective - very very tough thing to be
 
So all 1.7 million iPhone 4 owners must post a video clearly showing in their day to day regular use that they are unaffected in order for you to believe that not everyone out there is effected? Maybe you have time for that but I surely don't. Who are you to say that we are all affected when clearly all are not. I might not get the best internet coverage in all parts of town or the best signal, but that is standard for all cell phones on all networks in any area. I have yet to drop a call in the areas where I use my phone on a regular basis. If someone is genuinely happy with their phone stop trying to rain on their parade, and let them be happy!


If Apple comes out and admits all iPhone 4s have the problem and need replacing will you just keep the one you've got because it's working for you?
 
Buy a case for it. That's the solution. You should anyway because it's so expensive. You change the oil on you car to protect the engine, why not buy a case to protect your phone?

While I find that answer somewhat insulting and dumb I have purchased the bumper. Guess what? My signal still drops to no bars when holding the phone. ;)

That analogy is also dumb. How about this? You buy a car only to be told that you need to purchase the keys on the side to make it work. That's a more proper analogy of what Apple has done.
 
that's not a fair analogy. why put a toyota bumper on your ferrari?

Because a Toyota bumper won't fit a Ferrari. A case made for an iPhone 4 will fit an iPhone 4. A bumper made for a Ferrari 360 Modena will fit a 360 Modena.

What kind of question was that?

While I find that answer somewhat insulting and dumb I have purchased the bumper. Guess what? My signal still drops to no bars when holding the phone. ;)

I've got a bumper. It's a piece of crap. But I still have 5 bars. Even when I hold it.
 
It can be confusing, but sometimes the parts are greater than the whole. Especially when the problem part is kind of a big deal.
 
While I find that answer somewhat insulting and dumb I have purchased the bumper. Guess what? My signal still drops to no bars when holding the phone. ;)

That analogy is also dumb. How about this? You buy a car only to be told that you need to purchase the keys on the side for some of the cars to make it work. That's a more proper analogy of what Apple has done.

No one really knows how many phones have this problem. It's not all and it's not none.
 
I wrote:
Popularity != quality product

Which translates to: Popularity does NOT equal quality product


Translates to, yes. Just don't expect every (non-programmer) reader to know that by != you mean DOES NOT MEAN, instead of the more reasonable WOW! REALLY DOES MEAN.
 
Buy a case for it. That's the solution.
So now we have to spend more money on an expensive phone because of apple's defective design? That doesn't seem to make sense.

If this fixes the issue then perhaps apple should provide the case, why should I spend more money on something that should have worked in the first place.
 
I've got a bumper. It's a piece of crap. But I still have 5 bars. Even when I hold it.

You live in a lucky area then. At work with the bumper on I have no problems either. At home (where I use the phone the most) even with the bumper on I get dropped calls and have issues.

In all seriousness I hope they fix it. ATT says they are having "tower issues" in my area.

It sucks because I paid Verizon to leave early. As for the tower issues? I have nothing to go by other then ATT's word. I also just bought the house. The only thing I can say is my phone with Verizon worked great. So who knows?

I still have plenty of time to return it if I like and Verizon is offering some pretty nice things if I come back. However, I have wanted an iPhone for so long and was hoping Verizon would get it. When they didn't announce it I said screw it and made the leap to ATT. I just want the damn thing to work. LOL! I love the phone, just not the reception.
 
Well, I've tried this and see no dropped at 4-5 or 2-3 bars, I've even seen it go up a bar in weak areas.

I have no time or inclination to post a video, because all it proves is on my phone at a specific location I see no signal drop.

So convenient that you "don't have the issue but won't post a video". Your word is good enough right ? :rolleyes:

If you have a 2-3 bars area, you have a specific location that is perfect to prove us wrong. Do it. Otherwise, your anecdotes can be thrown out.


Until someone with the right test rig checks actual signal drop and analyzes the effect on reception no one knows the actual extent of the issue.

It's been done :

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3794/the-iphone-4-review/2

Read and learn about the issue before trying to tell people they are wrong.

So all 1.7 million iPhone 4 owners must post a video clearly showing in their day to day regular use that they are unaffected in order for you to believe that not everyone out there is effected?

No, but like I said many times, there is a preponderance of evidence that points to a design flaw, so that 100% of units are affected. The burden of evidence is thus on people that want to claim the contrary to prove it is so. How can you defeat evidence with anecdotes ? Unless you master the reality distortion field, evidence trumps anecdotes, everyday of the week, for a logical person.

Again, people with the issue would be happy to learn it's a manufacturing defect. Be the one to show them if you can. That means they can get a working unit through an exchange.
 
The next apple message to the masses will be something like this:

"... we regret to inform that due to the demand for new toys... err, devices, we did a mistake and released the new Ipod 4 with (sometimes) Iphone like capabilities instead of the awaited and real Iphone 4 coming next December for the holidays in an apple store near you. Sorry for all the trouble.

Iphone 4, this time is for real"
 
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