At Least One iPhone 14 Model Will Reportedly Still Lack 120Hz ProMotion Display

[FaustsHausUK]

You mean the display that doesn't run at 120 permanently because Apple won't admit what it would do to the battery?

'pro'motion my ass

I’m not sure I understand what your complaint is.

A lot of video content is created at different frame rates. 24fps is widely considered the best frame rate for cinematic content, films shot at higher frame rates feel off a lot of times even as certain tracking shots are less juddery. US broadcast and VHS content was traditionally at roughly 30fps, a neat division into 60Hz US displays. Among other differences between NTSC and PAL, US and UK TV felt different due to frame rates - PAL displays are 50Hz, with 25fps as a common frame rate.

Live sport with lots of movement looks better the higher the frame rate you shoot and present it at, and video games suffer less input lag which is why gamers harp on about FPS above many other metrics. Meanwhile, if you’re reading a static screen of content, how will more frames help?

This is an oversimplification. Variable refresh rates that react to the required frame rates of content being displayed are the better solution for battery life _and_ for the content itself. Why refresh a screen multiple times for the same frame of information if you don’t need to? How is doing so “pro”? How are Apple hiding the battery implications of screens that always run at 120Hz? It’s a driving factor of variable refresh rates in ProMotion!

 

[NBAasDOGG]

I have it on my phone and it’s turned off. Completely irrelevant feature outside of the actual UI of the phone. Websites are still janky and choppy galore even with high-refresh on unoptimizable websites (ESPN comes to mind). Refrshing the screen 1000 times a second doesn’t help that situation.

So yeah, someone does need their brain examined. Maybe see about removing that foot from your mouth, as well.

Choppy and janky website doesn’t have anything to do with 120hz refresh rate… 🤡

My point is, if you are actually not capable to see the difference between 60hz and 120hz, you have to go to a neurologist and have your brains examined. This is for your personal health.

Foot? Mouth? I am not American, I don’t understand…

 

[Dranix]

My point is, if you are actually not capable to see the difference between 60hz and 120hz, you have to go to a neurologist and have your brains examined. This is for your personal health.

Nay, the other way around. The human brain is not able to even see 60fps. Even 30 fps is far beyond the 18fps needed to see fluid motion. This high fps madness is a gamer mental illness.

 

[The Game 161]

Makes no sense why only one wouldn’t get it.

 

[ValO]

Please dont remove the mini. Phone are getting insanely huge. I don't want such monsters.

I agree, perhaps a return of a 5.8 inch like the xs or 11 pro? Make that the mini and make the regular iPhone 6.2 inch or something like that. 5.4 inch is just a tadd too small.

 

[NBAasDOGG]

Nay, the other way around. The human brain is not able to even see 60fps. Even 30 fps is far beyond the 18fps needed to see fluid motion. This high fps madness is a gamer mental illness.

The way we see flashes of light (like images) versus the speed at which we can view motion is very different. It’s our brain that can “see” things that our eyes don’t. The higher Hz, the more smoothly your images flow and the softer flowing motion you are able to see. This is only the case when the frames per second is tied to the screen refresh rate all the time (if you break this rules you won’t see the difference).

"gamer illness". You are clearly one of those who have never witnessed anything beyond 60hz/FPS.
Soon this tech will be mainstream and you will notice it.

Imagine now an object that moves from the left edge of your screen to the right. It goes at speed of 200,000 pixels per second, while you have a resolution of 1920x1080. How much FPS do you need to notice this object? Since it shows on your screen for 1080/200,000 = 5.4 ms, you need 1000/5.4=186 FPS to consistently see it on your screen.
What does it all mean? If you use your usual 60 FPS, in about 66% cases you won’t even pick a glance at this object. If you use 240 FPS, however, you will see it cross your screen every single time. And, since your eye is theoretically able to see much more FPS than that, you WILL actually see this object.

 

[Heat_Fan89]

Do you guys and gals think the iPhone 14 rumors are true about titanium and a hole punch? I can't see a hole punch happening with the camera array needed up front.

 

[DanTSX]

Because we were in pain all this time without 120Hz ...

Once you have it, you cannot go back....

 

[ian87w]

Makes no sense why only one wouldn’t get it.

It would make sense if Apple will not make a 14 mini. So that means there will be a regular 14 with just 60Hz, and the Pro models with promotion. (the non-pro max is still a wild guess).

 

[NYC Russ]

That was my initial thought, "Maybe they are keeping the Mini?" I think as long as they are making the appropriate amount and it's worth it to them financially, that Apple should keep making the Mini. If they ever did a Mini Pro with all the camera features, I'd strongly consider it and might actually get it. The difference between the Pro and Pro Max isn't huge from a 1 or 2 handed use perspective, but being able to use a Mini Pro with 1 hand would be nice.

My iPhone 11 Pro is working just fine. Might skip the iPhone 14 Pro. But if Apple makes an iPhone 14 Pro Mini, I’m buying.

 

[MartyvH]

I’m all for rumours etc but isn’t it a bit ridiculous when the 13 has only just come out ?

Not at all when some people need to skip the 13 and have to look to the 14 for their next phone. Also, it's the internet. Nothing is off the agenda anymore.

 

[ian87w]

Once you have it, you cannot go back....

Apple has had promotion on iPad Pro since what, the iPad Pro 10.5 in 2017? And yet you don't see any reviewers of the other iPads without it, not even the Air 4, pointing out the lack of promotion as a huge deal breaker. Users on iPads without promotion don't seem to have a reduction in their enjoyment of using the iPad.

In reality, There are more than just refresh rates.

I have the iPhone 7+ (60Hz), Poco X3 (120Hz IPS), and Galaxy S21 (120Hz OLED).

On the Poco, I only notice occasional "smoothness" when scrolling the app drawer. Occasional. Why? Because MiUI itself still stutters a lot here and there, even on simple things like opening the app drawer. No high refresh rate will help. In contrast, Apple has made animations on iOS so smooth that even using my 60Hz 7+ feels smoother to me than the janky 120Hz Poco.

On the S21, 120Hz triggers motion sickness for me.

In the end, I turn 120Hz off on my S21 and my Poco. I don't really see any benefit other than some scrolling smoothness. The tech tubers made it seem like Android can feel faster with high refresh rate. It doesn't. Changing the animation to 0.5x in developer setting works a ton better for that.

As for mobile gamers, Imo touch sampling rate is more important, but that tends to go hand in hand with high refresh rate on gaming smartphones.

For the general consumers, high refresh rate is the new ppi, which is an extension of the Megapixel race. Basically just a way to show a larger number than the other guy on the marketing material, without relevant impact for the general consumer. Even Samsung put 60Hz as the default out of the box on their S20 phones, despite them advertising 120Hz.

 

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Once you have it, you cannot go back....

I can. No big deal.

 

[The Game 161]

Each to their own 120hz is the the feature i can’t wait to use on the 13 pro max. Certainly wouldn’t use a device without 120hz now.

 

[Denzo]

Is this confirmed the same way the sunset bronze and jet black were a done deal? Lol @leakers.
Oh my professional opinion as a leaker - next years phone is going to be A16 - heard it here first!!

 

[Denzo]

Apple: This is the best iPhone we’ve ever made.

P.S. This video is worth watching.

To be fair, the amount of work that this company puts into its update I feel like they are sort of allowed to make that statement.
it’s not like they copy some other brands notch for likeness, rock up with sub par performance and cheap design and make a big deal. The amount of depts working on this bad boy to give us this thing each year.. kind of fair comment imho.

 

[M3gatron]

For instance, Xiaomi has a 100+ Watts charger for phones. That's awesome, but it means that you'll have to change the battery after 6 months. This is not something Apple would do. The iPhone 13 supports 25 Watts charging, Apple did not even advertise it.

It doesn't mean that, you are just assuming.
According to Xioami's official numbers after 800 full charge cycles the battery should degrade by 20%. That's more than 2 years charging the phone at 120W every day which is generally not necessary.
Nobody said Apple needs to bring 120W wired charging(I don't even think they have such tech for phones) but 33W or 45W(which is standard for USB-PD) shouldn't be hard.

 

[Thebrochure]

The fact that people care about something like this on a device as small as an iPhone is ridiculous. I mean, I would say we're in first-world-problem territory, but that phrase has been overused. Besides, this stuff is actually going beyond first-world-problem-territory, in my opinion. With this stuff, we're edging more toward the land of no description.

 

[cr2]

It doesn't mean that, you are just assuming.
According to Xioami's official numbers after 800 full charge cycles the battery should degrade by 20%. That's more than 2 years charging the phone at 120W every day which is generally not necessary.
Nobody said Apple needs to bring 120W wired charging(I don't even think they have such tech for phones) but 33W or 45W(which is standard for USB-PD) shouldn't be hard.

I want it to be charged by Tesla Supercharger. Hopefully, I can get a dongle for it.

 

[Denzo]

The fact that people care about something like this on a device as small as an iPhone is ridiculous. I mean, I would say we're in first-world-problem territory, but that phrase has been overused. Besides, this stuff is actually going beyond first-world-problem-territory, in my opinion. With this stuff, we're edging more toward the land of no description.

I’m actually agreeable with your take but I have to say we buy apple products to solve first world problems.

I mean I can buy a functional phone for $300.

 

[forestinjersey]

I've used Android phones with 120hz, don't see what all the fuss is about, my iPad has Pro Motion and I can't tell the difference. Maybe my eyes are garbage but it seems such a first world problem to me.

 

[AirunJae]

I've used Android phones with 120hz, don't see what all the fuss is about, my iPad has Pro Motion and I can't tell the difference. Maybe my eyes are garbage but it seems such a first world problem to me.

I've never noticed a huge difference when switching between my iPad Pro and iPhone, so I'm right there with you. If anything I suppose it could help with saving battery from ramping down on less graphically intense content and maybe it'll set the stage for a 1 hz refresh rate screen and always-on displays like the Apple Watch.

 

[Denzo]

I feel like apples animations are so smooth the difference will probably be negligible compared to another device. Apparently Apple currently uses 120hz input on touch paired with the 60hz screens, which probably adds to that iOS smooth input.

 

[Brien]

A bit miffed all the rumors point to 6.7" as the max (pun intended) size, yet again. I'd love to see 6.8/6.9".

 

[therealMasa]

Call it wishful thinking but the Samsung Galaxy S22/S22+ have LTPS panels and still refresh at 120hz. Isn’t there an outside chance the vanilla iPhone 14/Max will just lack the variable refresh rate?

Although the safer bet is Apple will gimp the vanilla range for another gen.