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I don't understand the hate for AT&T. If you don't like them then why buy an iPhone or keep reupping your contract with them when a new iPhone comes out? Seems like a lot of people choose the phone first then network. If the network doesn't work for you then it doesn't matter how cool the phone is.

Also software errors happen all the time. They can't fix it immediately
 
my upload speeds are just fine, faster than ever actually...it's my downloads that are barely faster than dialup....
 
This is nothing but more lies from AT&T. Everybody's phone was getting HSUPA speeds in these areas, then all of the sudden the speeds are terrible. AT&T was trying to throttle people plain and simple and they got called out for it big time. They dropped the blame on another company.

How were people getting HSUPA speeds for a week before this supposed problem creeps up?

If only writing software was as easy as you seem to think. Many conditions happen in a complex system that can not be tested in a lab. These often are the hardest problems to find and fix.

There again it could be the AT&T wants the bad press.
 
More than likely a bug in the regional switches software. Being that this issue cropped up on a Friday, they were probably performing a software retrofit in various offices. That's why you don't see it more widespread.

Once they identify the issue, it should be an easy fix (software patch or translations update).

With the operational tempo, these things will happen. I'm just a bit surprised that they would load software like this before a major holiday weekend.
 
How were people getting HSUPA speeds for a week before this supposed problem creeps up?

When you tell me what the "supposed" problem was, I'll tell you how it happened. Oh, wait... you don't know what the "supposed" problem was any more than I do.
 
They certainly did finally cknowledge the problem but didn't give us time frame.

As an engineer who's often tasked with fixing things like this, I hate it when my boss asks for a time frame. Sometimes you just don't know how long it will take :)

Let me ask all of you: do you honestly believe that AT&T would make this kind of statement if we didn't start the thread expressing our problem, so that respectable blogs like Engadget, Gizmodo, Tuaw can pick up the story and ASK for the official statement from AT&T ?

Probably not. To sum it all, I'm very proud of macrumors community for staying on top of this issue, and ultimately helping everyone in getting this problem fixed. Hopefully.

Thanks for writing that. I was coming back to add the same comments.

Without someone saying they have a problem, and so many others joining in to say they do as well, it could take a very long time before someone at the carrier noticed it themselves.

And as a sidenote to all the wannabe hall monitors around here:

A lot of those who add information will be people joining and posting for the first time.
 
my upload speeds are just fine, faster than ever actually...it's my downloads that are barely faster than dialup....

You should be like a typical MR user and start a thread: "AT&T capping download speeds - CONFIRMED EPIC FAIL" :eek:
 
Not sure if this was related, but....

Yesterday, July 6th I was at the apple store with my GF and we were playing with the iPhone 4's and I wanted to see how the 3G was in the apple store, seems like some poster on macrumors was saying some sort of crazy thing like apple store have mini at&t towers in the basement or some silly stuff like that.

So I turned wifi off and 3G on and found that I could get one iPhone 4 to connect to anything without the help of wifi. I was kinda blown away. We filmed this and posted it on youtube link here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTy5ZniH9d0

One thing that I did notice is when I filmed this on another iPhone 4 close by it said the location I was filming was like 10 plus miles away. I guess it was connected to a bad tower. Anyway, I wasnt impressed with at&t and or apples iphone yesterday. :mad::apple:
 
Without someone saying they have a problem, and so many others joining in to say they do as well, it could take a very long time before someone at the carrier noticed it themselves.

You don't think AT&T monitors the performance of their systems? Really?
 
You don't think AT&T monitors the performance of their systems? Really?

For throughput problems it can be VERY hard to identify the root cause. And since this isn't affecting EVERY mobile it makes it that much harder.
 
no... Every iPhone4 user in every market.

From ATT: 87,000,000 subscribers
From Apple. 1.7Million iPhone 4s
From 2nd grade math: 1.7M/87M = 1.95% which is nicely less than 2%

funny how it works out like that.

Umm - just a few problems with your equation.
From Apple: 1.7Million IP4 was WORLDWIDE therefore not all are on AT$T.
From AT$T: The article clearly states that it is only on specific servers - not all markets have these servers therefore not all IP4's are affected.
From Me: You left out the other non IP4 HSUPA devices on AT$T's network.

Bottom line: Your numbers are worthless.

Funny how it works out like that.

Why do people not read?

JESUS H DIAZ read the freaking story you are responding to...

If it is a software issue with their wireless towers/network then it will effect everyone. Nobody from AT&T said it just impacted iPhone 4 users.


Seriously, why do only 5% of the people on MacRumors ever read the articles or stories they comment on?

But it is not all cell locations as you say above. Only sites with certain equipment. DId you read the article?

Just sell the damn thing officially unlocked like recently in the UK and before in many other countries!!


Customers will be happy to choose their carrier and a lot of people will not have any more reasons to complain (although I'm sure they will find something else to complain about but that's not the point).

Then AT&T would have to step up or move to the side, competition is always the best incentive to take things up a notch.

I have been using my officially unlocked OZ purchased iphone (3G and 3Gs, tried purchasing the iPhone 4 in Glasgow but they had ran out) in Dubai(and worldwide since fortunately I get to travel to 4 continents sometimes in the same month) without a single problem, when in Eurpoe I use my prepaid Vodafone and in Australia I use 3 without a problem, In Dubai we have the shi**est operators on the planet (maybe, lol), if not just google: Dubai Etisalat and see for yourself.

So if it was unlocked, what carrier would you go to in the US? The reason I ask is that iPhones will not work on VRZ or Sprints networks. At one time you could only get Edge (not 3G) on t-mobile due to radio frequencies (this might have changed on the new models).

Your right that you can use an unlocked phone all over the world - I do it all the time. But not in the US (see above) so I'm stuck with AT$T.
 
You don't think AT&T monitors the performance of their systems? Really?

Nobody said anything of the sort. Not that it matters in this case anyway.

The bug apparently did not show up during routine testing or monitoring, or they would've stopped whatever change caused it, long before the problem hit so many major markets.

AT&T said this was an unusual problem that only happens with iPhone 4s and some USB sticks.

Automated monitoring would not find this. Only user complaints would show it. I see this every week in my work with widespread field apps.
 
My point is simply that the number of users is inconsequential, if 50 people, or 50,000 people are affected, and are still paying full price for their service, then, IMHO, the problem should and must be fixed without delay and without any qualifiers or excuses.

Really?

Did you fail basic economics? How about business or math?

If a problem costs $5,000,000 to fix and you only have 50 people affected that would be $100,000 per customer to fix the problem. You could give every customer a free phone, computer, wireless card, and Audi A8 - and still have money left over. There is very little chance that a problem affecting only 50 people would ever be fixed unless it was an almost painless and transparent fix. It would be cheaper to just send those 50 people to a competing carrier.

How about 50,000 people? With that many people you start to get closer. The "fix" would cost about $100 per customer. A little more realistic, but still fairly expensive - it would probably take half year to recoup the costs on the customers for this one fix alone.

If this problem affects 500 towers, and indeed requires software to be modified, tested, deployed, tested, and turned on - then I would wager it is not an extremely cheap painless fix, and not without risk.

These things take time.

I challenge anyone complaining here to find any single company with 85 million customers that does not have issues arise from time to time.

Have you ever eaten at a restaurant that messed up your order? Did you throw a tantrum and scream about how the restaurant sucks and stomp out? Or did you ask for it to be fixed, and give them a chance to fix it?

Have you ever owned a new car that had a recall, service bulletin, or a part failure? Did you give the manufacturer a chance to fix it, or did you write articles on websites complaining about it, return the car, and cry like a child?

Have you ever had your Cable TV go out? Did you cancel your service? Have you ever had your power go out? Did you go off the grid and stop consuming electricity?

Have all of your computers worked 100% flawlessly as long as you have owned them? Have you ever missed a delivery from FedEx or has your washer ever broken?

Look - in the real world, outside of MacRumors forums - crap happens. Some times things don't go exactly as planned.

AT&T and Alcatel Lucent employees are people just like us. They might even have phones which are suffering problems, just like us. They have families just like us, and cars just like us, and bills just like us. They are professionals who work hard - just like folks at Verizon or Sprint. AT&T has 87 million customers, all using different products in different ways in different environments. Nothing is perfect.

Do I want it fixed? Yes. I am a new AT&T customer, and I would like things to not suck. But be reasonable people - it is a problem, they found the problem, they are working on fixing the problem. In the mean time, go watch a movie, go outside and ride a bike, or take a swim in a pond. Enjoy your kids or parents, and forget about your stupid 3G speeds. Let AT&T fix it.

If you are really unhappy - leave AT&T and get service somewhere else. But I warn you - sheet happens with all the carriers. Just realize that and be happy that in this day and age we have broadband that we carry around in our hands - pretty damn amazing if you ask me...
 
Nobody said anything of the sort. Not that it matters in this case anyway.

The bug apparently did not show up during routine testing or monitoring, or they would've stopped whatever change caused it, long before the problem hit so many major markets.

AT&T said this was an unusual problem that only happens with iPhone 4s and some USB sticks.

Automated monitoring would not find this. Only user complaints would show it. I see this every week in my work with widespread field apps.

Do you have a link to AT&T's statement? I can't find it on their site or anywhere else. I would like to read the whole thing. I figure you must because the clip in this article does not say it only happens with ip4. It said "3G HSUPA-capable wireless devices"
 
I don't agree. Apps are not the same thing as a network.

In my case it's all intertwined, since they're BB apps partially dependent on correctly functioning network, RIM, NOC and BES systems. We've had to deal with the oddest carrier situations, including monitoring comm signal levels and running health checks.

The point is, monitoring mostly shows errors that you're already watching for, not new ones. Slow uploads from some users would probably not normally be a trigger.

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So are you claiming that AT&T would've caught this problem all on their own?

That no input from users of USB sticks or iPhones was necessary?

As I said, that doesn't seem to be the case, or the rollout would've stopped sooner.
 
Yesterday, July 6th I was at the apple store with my GF and we were playing with the iPhone 4's and I wanted to see how the 3G was in the apple store, seems like some poster on macrumors was saying some sort of crazy thing like apple store have mini at&t towers in the basement or some silly stuff like that.

So I turned wifi off and 3G on and found that I could get one iPhone 4 to connect to anything without the help of wifi. I was kinda blown away. We filmed this and posted it on youtube link here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTy5ZniH9d0

One thing that I did notice is when I filmed this on another iPhone 4 close by it said the location I was filming was like 10 plus miles away. I guess it was connected to a bad tower. Anyway, I wasnt impressed with at&t and or apples iphone yesterday. :mad::apple:

Apple stores have microcells in them. You can even buy one.

http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/why/3gmicrocell/
 
Some of you need to really find a new carrier. It's clear you are NOT happy with the one you have. At least AT&T responded quickly to the complaints, acknowledged the issue, told you what it was and are quickly working to resolve it.

I can't say that about Apple. Apple STILL will NOT acknowledge any issues with the phone, yet they come up with some BS fix that they are working on to adjust the bar reading on the phone that has nothing to do with the problem people are complaining about? Nice. What is it now.. 12 days and still nothing?

AT&T responded within 1-2 days?


Yeah, you all keep kissing that shiny, irradiated Apple you love so much! :rolleyes:
 
Do you have a link to AT&T's statement? I can't find it on their site or anywhere else. I would like to read the whole thing. I figure you must because the clip in this article does not say it only happens with ip4. It said "3G HSUPA-capable wireless devices"

I couldn't find it either, so I figured it must've gone straight to some press sites.

I used this article at CNET:

On Wednesday, AT&T issued a statement saying a software glitch in the Alcatel-Lucent equipment is limiting data upload speeds from smartphones and data sticks using the latest version of 3G technology known as HSUPA. HSUPA is an acronym for High Speed Upload Packet Access. It increases upload speeds to between 500 kilobits per second and 1.2 megabits per second.

"AT&T and Alcatel-Lucent jointly identified a software defect--triggered under certain conditions--that impacted uplink performance for Laptop Connect and smartphone customers using 3G HSUPA-capable wireless devices in markets with Alcatel-Lucent equipment," said Jenny Bridges, a spokeswoman for the company.

Since the iPhone 4 is currently the only smartphone that AT&T offers that is using HSUPA, AT&T said that the problem only affects a small number of its wireless customers, which includes some laptop data stick users, who also use the HSUPA technology. AT&T said the company has come up with a temporary fix that should restore upload data speeds to regular 3G speeds. This means that upload speeds will likely have a maximum speed of 384Kbps until the problem is completely resolved.

"This impacts less than 2 percent of our wireless customer base," Bridges added in her statement. "While Alcatel-Lucent develops the appropriate software fix, we are providing normal 3G uplink speeds and consistent performance for affected customers with HSUPA-capable devices."

The problem surfaced over the weekend when iPhone 4 customers started noticing that their upload speeds had slowed to a crawl. People who were previously getting uploads of 1.7Mbps last week, reported that speeds dropped to under 100Kbps. The slowdown affected made it difficult for people to send e-mails and upload or send videos and pictures.

(I have not checked to see if the iPhone 4 really is the only HSUPA device on ATT.)
 
I don't understand the hate for AT&T. If you don't like them then why buy an iPhone or keep reupping your contract with them when a new iPhone comes out? Seems like a lot of people choose the phone first then network. If the network doesn't work for you then it doesn't matter how cool the phone is.

Also software errors happen all the time. They can't fix it immediately

iPhone's great for people without many friends. They won't be getting much calls anyway.

Kidding aside, I think most people text nowadays so calling just isn't as important as it used to be.
 
Some of you need to really find a new carrier. It's clear you are NOT happy with the one you have. At least AT&T responded quickly to the complaints, acknowledged the issue, told you what it was and are quickly working to resolve it.

I can't say that about Apple. Apple STILL will NOT acknowledge any issues with the phone, yet they come up with some BS fix that they are working on to adjust the bar reading on the phone that has nothing to do with the problem people are complaining about? Nice. What is it now.. 12 days and still nothing?

AT&T responded within 1-2 days?


Yeah, you all keep kissing that shiny, irradiated Apple you love so much! :rolleyes:

I think most people here love the iPhone but hate AT&T. That's why they're always crossing their fingers and being hopeful whenever a Verizon iPhone rumor pops up.
 
So are you claiming that AT&T would've caught this problem all on their own?

That no input from users of USB sticks or iPhones was necessary?

As I said, that doesn't seem to be the case, or the rollout would've stopped sooner.

Yes, I think it's likely that they would have caught it themselves. If for no other reason, what kind of phones do you think AT&T engineers themselves use? If user input was helpful, I suspect it came from reports escalated from calls to AT&T customer service, not by postings on MR. It's hubris to think that AT&T is hanging on our every word.

As for the rollout -- we don't even know that there was a rollout. The proliferation of HSUPA devices may have triggered a bug that was longstanding for all we know. That's what I find irksome about these threads: the assertion that of course it happened the way I imagine it happened, despite the complete lack of evidence to support that view.
 
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