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Data is data is data.

Every time this dude opens his mouth in thankful that my iPhone is jailbroken. Oh what's that? FaceTime without wifi? Oh yah, I been doing that for a while now.
 
I have spent awhile today looking for a way to complain to ATT on their website. It is insanely difficult. I am considering switching to Sprint when the next iPhone comes out. Despite the fact that their network is slower and wont have LTE in my area I am going to strongly consider switching if ATT keeps pulling these ridiculous moves, and if Sprint can match the price I am paying ATT ($70 after employer discount).

It is really just sad that they are allowed to get away with this because no other companies are big enough to stop them by being competitive, or if they are (Verizon) they just adopt the same ********.

Maybe T-Mobile will get the next iPhone finally and I can use it on HSPA+. That would be good enough for me.

EDIT: Maybe I will just do as others have said and use my jailbreak to bypass these stupid restrictions.
 
It just means AT&T has a oversubscribed network. When a telco runs a network, they run on contention ratios, 1 tower for X subscribers, when that tower hits it's limit, often more network infrastructure is built to cater for demand.
Now the marketing dept has the job of selling the network, they offer so many gigs per month per plan with the belief most people will only use a fraction of that. If everyone got 2 gig and used 2 gig, then the networks would be slow all the time.
Now that comes down to likely hood of using the data, 2gig in a phone is unlikely, 2 gig in an iPad is more likely, but not all the 2 gig. 2 gig in a laptop, probably. Hence the tethering control apple have in place.
Now FaceTime is a feature that increases the likelihood of using that data allocation, means apple putting in a additional control. By charging for it, the telco dissuades you from using the data allocation.
The problem is when you charge for tethering and FaceTime features and your competitors don't, you immediately stand out.

Wy charge when other don't, I mean data is data surely? Obviously not when your competitors aren't your network is oversubscribed. I think AT&T is just showing how weak and pitiful their third rate network really is.

Even on LTE people are saying how much more coverage the other telcos like Verizon offer over AT&T, FaceTime and tethering shouldn't even be an issue on LTE, unless your network sux.
 
As a loyal AT&T customer, if they do this, I WILL be switching to Verizon thank you very much. That and the fact that Verizon's true LTE rollout is advancing more quickly than AT&T's, is making it very tempting to drop AT&T for Verizon.
 
There's no reason for AT&T not to deny it... if they weren't planning to charge for it. It would seem wildly stupid to carve out a separate charge for this. They'd practically be begging customers to leave for another company. (I'm already plotting out my exit from AT$T... Do they really want to be prompting me to think this way?)

I suppose they could offer FaceTime plans that are significantly cheaper per MB than the general data plan. But that would just make me wonder why all data wasn't available at the better price.
 
Just saying... Verizon has declined to comment.. so.. there goes all the "I'm switching to Verizon" commentary...

..That said, I'd say I'm switching to Sprint if sprint didn't have such crappy cell service.

I think AT&T fears that suddenly data usage will go through the roof if they don't charge for a data-heavy fee-- potentially taking down their networks (again).. just like when the iPhone itself came out. But that's a silly concern at this point, since they charge you if you use more than paid for... so the simple solution is to let people have their overages, collect lots of extra data fees that way, and build more towers so you can actually support the new, possibly insane, network load.

If that's not the concern, than someone is stupid for even making this an issue, down at AT&T. It really is bad enough we're paying extra for tethering (some of us .. like me who don't have time to use workarounds, unfortunately :( ..)
 
I'm actually starting to become happy to be on Sprint. Even though their network is slow as balls, they don't charge the balls out of me.
 
The fact that they are even thinking about it just goes to show how they are the sleaziest company around. And I thought Comcast was bad, seeing the CEO say the things he has makes me think things not appropriate for this forum.

If you treat your customers right people will come to your company, simple as that. Data is Data, leave it at that. If I get 4 gigs of data for 20 or 30 bucks or whatever it is, anything I do on my phone, voice/text/facetime/tether should be able to use that 4 gigs for whatever I want.. no if ands of buts!!!! Get it straight... God I wish I worked for the government and could go after these guys with every once of strength I had just to put them in their place!
 
Don't turn this around. Voice/Texting revenue has been on the decline and unless they adapt as a company to find new ways of profit then the business entity will fail. If home internet providers were threatened by a new product that somehow cut their revenue they would be sure to initiate new forms of cash flows.

I don't think he's disagreeing with you in business strategy; just principle. It is awful for a company to charge a customer again for using data in a way they dislike when the data is already allotted to them. Of course they would be implementing it for the additional revenue; that doesn't make it any less awful.
 
You know, I'm not switching to Verizon or Sprint.

1. Verizon is more expensive for me than AT&T, 30 dollars more expensive with their new plans that would force me to pay texting and force me to pay for an unlimited plan. Neither of which I need (I can do with minimal minutes honestly and I dont need texting at all). Even if AT&T charges 30 dollars more to Facetime, it's just not worth that much to Facetime. Not to mention I'd be downgraded to 1 GB with Verizon for that 30 extra that I'd have to share with my roomate. I already use about 2 GBs and that's not using FT. So really my bill would be even more expensive since Verizon's data is so overpriced now.

2. Sprint lost me long ago when they were so bad I had to ask my parents to stop calling me on their cellphoen cause I couldn't understand a word they said. Apparently it was a pretty common thing. Sure, it's years later. But I hear now their data is super slow. And with my experience with their connections, I could believe it.

And besides, being able to FT over 3G isn't worth losing my unlimited ;). Hrm... lose my assurance I'm not going to get random extra charges or be able to FT over 3G without paying an extra fee. When I barely use FT anyways and haven't seen many instances where I was thinking, "GEe, I wish I could FT right now."

Yeah, I know some of you will say it's the principle of the matter. But I'm poor right now and I'll go with practicality. And AT&T is simply cheaper and has given me good service *shrug*. I mean after all you guys are griping about fleecing and paying more... so why would I quit AT&T so I can definitely pay more? Verizon for me is way overpriced for what I want (Which is not texting or voice).
 
I'm so excited another ATT Wireless Service I get the privilege to pay for that only works some of the time. Like my data, or my phone for that matter.
 
It's sad how the carrier is raping people's wallets. They alreeady own the infrastructure so it doesn't cost them as much as they charge their customers.

It's really sad how they can get away with the high prices. To be honest, I wouldn't mind paying if it was reasonable services. $30 for 3gb of data. How about $30 for 10Gb of data? They already own the infrastructure ... The costs aren't that Expensive for them
 
I still don't understand why apple has even given the carriers the a ability to control this.

Same thing isn't possible with other VoIP or video calling apps, so why bother?
 
Translation: ****, they're onto us… let's pretend we have no idea what's going to happen, then, when things settle down in a few weeks, spring an overpriced service on everyone. Just like we were planning for months.

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When is Apple creating their cell network?

I would hope MS, Google, and Apple would join up and form an Independent Wireless Consortium. All LTE, data-based packages at reasonable prices (say, $10 per GB), with unlimited texting thrown in, and voice for a little more. It would be as big an industry disruptor as the iPhone was. Those companies have the cash to make it happen.
 
A week ago you'd say how useless FaceTime is. Now you're threatening to leave AT&T over it?

FaceTime is useless because it's wifi only. With cellular access I can think of lots of ways I would use it. Also, as more and more devices get it, it's become more and more relevant. Finally, it's the principal of the matter. If I know that AT&T is willing to disable features on my phone to fatten their bottom lines, what could be next? I am not going to sign another 2 year contract with such a sleazy company. Next they'll charge extra for Facebook and Twitter.
 
Don't turn this around. Voice/Texting revenue has been on the decline and unless they adapt as a company to find new ways of profit then the business entity will fail. If home internet providers were threatened by a new product that somehow cut their revenue they would be sure to initiate new forms of cash flows.

And when I leave ATT for another carrier that's not charging, how would this help them? At some point, consumers will give up and leave. This is not eating into their profits. You're comparing something that is going away (voice/text) to something they don't even offer (video). Not sure that's same problem for them. They are scared of data usage. My response to that is, adjust data rates. At least that way consumers won't feel like they are being double charged. Make sense?
 
Other than the fact that I'm on a family plan I still wouldn't switch carriers. Compared to my friends on Verizon and Sprint I have the best coverage and the fastest speeds. AT&T's coverage and speeds is purely based on location be ause like I said, where I am it is the best option. Also, every time I go out of state or somewhere I still have great reception even out in the country.
 
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