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This comment is so very wrong.

AT&T and Verizon have a near-monopoly because the government allocates the air resources (the bandwidth and frequencies) that AT&T uses. The companies are in no way in a private market in acquiring their resources from the public.

The government does not "steal" money. Rather, the government charges taxes as the consideration for the right to live in the United States. Taxes are the buy-in.

Our entire electrical infrastructure is an example of regulated utilities, where the service is regulated as the consideration for the right to run electical wire with government assistance, dig up streets, put power poles on otherwise private property, and so on.

It's a nice soundbite to claim that private markets are inherently superior, but there is no evidence for that at all.

No evidence? The government is good at 2 things: destruction and wasting money. That’s it. Every other imaginable producable service or asset is better made through voluntary cooperation. And when taxes are charged under threat of imprisonment, that is theft. You can call it whatever you please to make yourself feel better about it but that does not make it not theft.
 
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What?!?

Please provide examples of the disciplines and industries you are referencing?

Thanks!!
Not sure what you mean. But because government itself is a monopoly, it is, in the way this world operates with its natural laws and human nature, impossible for it to be more efficient than a private market of voluntary trade driven by supply and demand. Pick an industry. All of them apply.
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Please stay off our roads. Clearly you already steer clear of libraries and schools. Your statement is demonstrably false.

If the government didn’t steal my money to pay for them, I would stay off them. Schools should be private. Libraries are relics of the past. Welcome to the internet.
 
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Finally someone talking about the pricing.... I am sick of seeing articles saying that 5G is the answer to everything but leaving out what it is going to cost. This seems like a dream come true for providers to nickel and dime customers to death over every aspect of their bandwidth usage.
 
Carriers charged a premium for 4G? Not in the US. Prices increased over time as they always do, but not as a direct result of moving from 3G to 4G.
In some countries, 4G started as an optional feature (with extra cost).
Some plans in the US also restricted 4G in the past to higher tier/more premium plans, especially on MVNOs.
And now we have 5G, if you spend extra money.
 
No evidence? The government is good at 2 things: destruction and wasting money. That’s it. Every other imaginable producable service or asset is better made through voluntary cooperation. And when taxes are charged under threat of imprisonment, that is theft. You can call it whatever you please to make yourself feel better about it but that does not make it not theft.

There was a time when the government did nothing to stop private companies from dumping industrial waste in the water. That worked out well. :rolleyes:
 
AT&T once upon a time, very good for my needs. Today, will not do business with them if any other option available. Sad that a once valuable company now zero value. Moving on.
 
If that's the case, I don't want 5G. I wasn't even that excited about it to begin with, but now this kind of talk scares me. The range limitations on 5G alone already had me concerned about the push for it, and data plans are already expensive enough as it is. They should offer unlimited 5G data plans and price the plans based on speed if they want to move towards a pricing scheme like this. If they try to limit both the data AND the speeds, consumers will not go for it. Only way this works is if they do it exactly like home broadband (in urban areas); you pay for your speed option, but you have unlimited data at (or up to) that speed...
 
Fine, I don't need more than 10mbit/s
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So how many of you are so gung ho about 5G? So you can pay more?

This is why I don’t understand why people demanding 5G now. We all know with how the tech works, coverage will be extremely limited. And obviously, just like how 4G was, carrier’s will charge you a premium for it. Oh and you have to buy a new carrier specific phone too.
Good for connecting homes where cabling is difficult. Should in theory be enough to support both your phone and your home, which is nice
 
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I think Verizon and Sprint will do the same kind of thing.
They all would have to do this, and they likely all will, for any of them to get away with it... T-Mobile, Boost, and the regional carriers likely won't, but they probably won't have 5G capabilities anyway for years after the Big 3.
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Unlucky I guess Here in Japan I can’t remember the last time I saw 3G... I’ve had 4G whilst up a mountain, on the subway, in remote Hokkaido, and even on Ishigaki island.

It’s crazy how much coverage can vary between rich countries.

Still, the only uses I see for 5G are: home internet where fiber isn’t feasible (in which case are you even going to get signal?) and removing some stress from 4G.
lol you do realize how much smaller Japan is compared to the US right? People are much more spread out over a much larger area than in Japan... sounds great in Japan but you're comparing Apples and Oranges man...
 
Finally someone talking about the pricing.... I am sick of seeing articles saying that 5G is the answer to everything but leaving out what it is going to cost. This seems like a dream come true for providers to nickel and dime customers to death over every aspect of their bandwidth usage.
They could use the same pricing scheme with 4G if they want. Probably just isn't optimal the way the costs work out. I expect 5G to be cheaper overall.
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Okay AT&T........... and watch T-Mobile take all of your remaining customers by giving non-tiered plans.
If T-Mobile's plan costs more, I won't buy it
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I don't get it... AT&T doesn't have 5G technology. Why does it even talk about 5G pricing tiers?
Cause they're tone-deaf.
 
It doesn't make sense to blame 5G for this. They could use the same pricing scheme with 4G if they want. Probably just doesn't make sense the way the costs work out. I expect 5G to be cheaper overall.
You're right, they could do that with 4G right now (and I guess some countries already do that?), but not without a lot of pushback from consumers. 5G is great for them because it is a newer and faster technology (albeit with limited range and no penetration), and that gives them an excuse to drastically change their pricing structure.
 
I am not paying....I love 4G, right now most of my fast speed internet is done at home on 1GB fiber, just want to
make an occasional phone call, lite web browsing.....
 
That phrase sometimes fits, but not here.

Even if you don’t appreciate why someone would want to watch a 4K video on their phone there are plenty of business use cases for 5G.

The fact that something is not useful to you doesn’t mean it’s not useful to anyone.
Yeahhhhh I guess. But then again, not many of us will have a need or even a use for 5g for many years when most of us do the most basic stuff that 4g handles perfectly. Watching video, conferencing, downloading, browsing, work. Most of us don’t use our 4g and sit there like “godddd if only it was faster! I could do so much more!” Ok. Like?

Which is why I cringe when people criticize apple for not including 5g on the 2019 iPhone when it won’t dramatically improve the user experience anyway.
 
That phrase sometimes fits, but not here.

Even if you don’t appreciate why someone would want to watch a 4K video on their phone there are plenty of business use cases for 5G.

The fact that something is not useful to you doesn’t mean it’s not useful to anyone.

I disagree. At a certain point, the tech has matured and doesn't need more advancement for any reason than sex appeal.

A jet can get us anywhere on Earth in a day. No one is pushing for a high priced supersonic option to get there in half a day.

Any car maker can build a 250mph road car. Most everyone is afraid to drive that fast. No one really wants one for any practical reason except a few who would want to show off.

Hard drive space is sufficient for most home computers at a Tb. 8Tb holds the library of Congress. How many library of Congress do most people want in their laptop?

I only need a fridge to get cold enough to freeze food. I don't need it cold enough to liquify helium.

As soon as wireless was fast enough for 4k video, anything past that became advertising hype.

It would be better if we the people could get some spectrum back and develop our own wireless networks, so we could have free, open source, long distance wireless. That's how Wifi started, it was a giveaway frequency band. There will never be more spectrum given to the people ever again. The telcos learned when they missed out on wifi profit. They would be charging you for every bit of data over your home over WiFi if they got a do over on that slip up.

The moment anything even vaguely threatens the Wireless Oligopoly, the shills come out in force to lobby online on the forums, or to lobby Congress. Pathetic really.

The spectrum belongs to the 1% now. It used to belong to the people. It was stolen from us.

Remember when all the little local towns were setting up free WiFi everywhere? Then the Oligopoly shut that all down hard? Yeah you forgot didn't you.
 
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