AT&T Considering Halting All Samsung Galaxy Note 7 Sales and Replacements

[Tech198]

wow... and i didn't believe it could happen twice.

Samsung, that's some pretty bad luck you have. If someone gets a replacement or band new phone, its expected to "solve" the issue, not continue. Then again, this is one 1 phone on air aircraft. What about the others ?

This is what happens when you rush .

 

[manu chao]

Since when is water used to put out electrical fires?

I think there is a difference whether you have mains electricity or a battery. As others said, with a battery, cooling is a very effective way to contain things.

 

[Technarchy]

I wish the Galaxy 7 didn't have these problems, not because I want a Galaxy 7 (I like my iPhone & iPad and I love IOS) but because I want there to be a credible competitor to Apple's so there is competitive pressure to always innovate.

Given Apple's roadmap for 2017 is probably already set in stone, I doubt anything about the Note7 design, success or failure will impact iPhone 8 or 8S.

 

[manu chao]

Works on a burning sinking ship. Fire goes out as soon as it drops below surface.

Should work with planes as well.

 

[magbarn]

Your extremes... from fire to bomb... right... I never said anything about metal containment, I suggested ceramic as a fire retardant, whether fibres or similar. Try solid state batteries.
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See above. Ceramic as a fire retardant, whether fibres or similar.

Ha. You must be kidding! Your quote: "You want it to fizzle out instead of exploding."

How about you never want it to occur in the first place!!! Solid state batteries for the win.

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I'm aware of thermal runaway, that's why solid state batteries are better. I'm not talking about a ceramic pots. Ceramic as a fire retardant, whether fibres or similar.

Did you even read the article you posted? The solid state batteries your espousing run better at 95C! That's a few degrees of boiling water. When a battery is running outside it's 'comfort zone' you're going to lose a lot of capacity. Lithium ion is best run at around 20-25C or basically ambient temp. Try running a lithium ion battery at 0C at freezing and see how much capacity you lose. Hint it's around 50% capacity loss...

 

[Jovian9]

All retailers should stop selling this phone. If it has the potential to be dangerous and the recall/replacements are still having the same issue it shouldn't be sold period.


Samsung die-hards be like:

"it's fine. the 3rd round of replacement Galaxy 7s will be great"
"it's a conspiracy. AT&T and the media are out to get Samsung and only love Apple"
"but that one iPhone exploded in 2013..."
"apple doesn't innovate any more so it's okay that tons of Galaxy phones are exploding b/c they are better"
"only apple sheeple that can't think for themselves fail to understand the value in exploding phones"
"airports must be getting paid by apple"

 

[Tech198]

and Apple die-hard fans will be the same..

works two ways.

I don't buy that,,,, but those in the Android system will..

Things can always improve... but at the same time a company should also know their limits as "well,,, i suppose we better not sell any more"

 

[BootsWalking]

All retailers should stop selling this phone. If it has the potential to be dangerous and the recall/replacements are still having the same issue it shouldn't be sold period.


Samsung die-hards be like:

"it's fine. the 3rd round of replacement Galaxy 7s will be great"
"it's a conspiracy. AT&T and the media are out to get Samsung and only love Apple"
"but that one iPhone exploded in 2013..."
"apple doesn't innovate any more so it's okay that tons of Galaxy phones are exploding b/c they are better"
"only apple sheeple that can't think for themselves fail to understand the value in exploding phones"
"airports must be getting paid by apple"

You cite only one iPhone exploding in 2013 as the counter-example yet only one post-recall Note 7 has exploded yet you think retailers should stop selling the Note 7.

 

[triton100]

Well outright fraud is of course another matter, which Friedman addressed in the video as well. As for whether my opinion would change if personally affected, I would hope that it wouldn't, again barring any fraud or outright negligence. We really don't know the details behind Samsung's decision in this matter - I've read reports that Samsung "rushed" the product to market and this included supplementing their supply of batteries with their own in-house production vs their previous practice of only used a trusted third-party supplier. But rushing a product to market doesn't necessarily entail negligence. I work in the tech industry and I can't recall a product that wasn't rushed at some point of its development. The devil will be in the details, which I'm sure will come to light in due time.

That's fine to rush products to market so long as they do not short cut the regular health and safety testing procedures
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If you want to say Samsung rigged the test, then say that.

If you want to laugh at funny thins then laugh at how it was theVerge that broke this story and how the chief editor there works for Apple.

Samsung rig everything including how they supposedly test for their specs ratings. I have no respect for cheaters and liars. None
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I wish the Galaxy 7 didn't have these problems, not because I want a Galaxy 7 (I like my iPhone & iPad and I love IOS) but because I want there to be a credible competitor to Apple's so there is competitive pressure to always innovate.

Apple are their own competition. No need for followers like Samsung.

 

[macsba]

What should happen is that the FAA should ban ALL Note 7 phones from ALL flights, domestic and inbound and outbound International flights.

The FTC should ban ALL sales of the Note 7 phones and have Samsung recall ALL Note 7 phones sold and refund the money.

Under the right conditions, the Note 7 phones unless recalled will cause a death.

Hey, if Apple comes out with an iPhone that's just as dangerous, my opinion is the same. Life is just too precious to lose.

 

[_Refurbished_]

Oh just stop. All of you. Not every thread has to go into PRSI.

PSRI? Is that a new tire pressure monitoring system? /s

 

[kdarling]

So, are you implying that until we completely eradicate car crashes or cancer, samsung should get a way with exploding phones?

No, and please don't try to put words in people's mouths.

I've said before that someone at Samsung dropped the ball by not checking battery shipments to see if they met size specs. Obviously the batteries from one source fit okay, while batteries from the other source did not.

That's fine to rush products to market so long as they do not short cut the regular health and safety testing procedures

Apple has had to recall millions of batteries and chargers. Do you think they rushed those products to market?

(It'd be hard to claim that anyway, at least after the first few months. They continued to sell many of the bad devices for years. They could've fixed them at any point, but they chose to keep making them, and in the case of the class actions, refused to acknowledge any problem existed even after they settled.)

 

[HEK]

Should work with planes as well.

Sure does unless they caring metallic sodium. Then watch the fireworks as water touches the sodium.

 

[PinkyMacGodess]

Considering? No one could ever accuse AT&T of being willing to stand up for their customers...

 

[2010mini]

If AT&T does this it will be the death nell for the Note 7.

 

[radio893fm]

Maybe it's you that has been drinking the Kool aid. It is very easy for a company like Samsung to bestow the virtues of innovation and pushing the envelope when all they do is copy apple. How is that contributing to competition ? Theft maybe.

After a company like Apple or Dyson spend millions and years on r and d which is then shamelessly torn down and put back together in the form of a Samsung product you call this competition? Samsung then spends its r and d budget building on top of the foundations walls and roof that other companies paid for and then starts hailing that they are the true innovators. Easy when someone else has done the hard slog.

I am not a typical ignorant fanboy or whatever other offence you care to imply just someone who despises people taking credit for other people's hard work. Taking inspiration is one thing. Theft is another.

Please don't throw abusiveness my way for airing an opinion.

When Apple copy something, its called inspiration. When Samsung does, is pure and simply theft... in case you did not know, Apple has been "inspired" many times.

Do you also know that there is a lot Samsung inside Apple products?

I never understood this hate for companies. It is so immature and captivating. First it was Microsoft, now Samsung and Google. Next, whatever is a threat to Apple's world domination.

And yes, you are a fanboy. But don't take it as an insult. It is who you are.

 

[I7guy]

No, and please don't try to put words in people's mouths.

I've said before that someone at Samsung dropped the ball by not checking battery shipments to see if they met size specs. Obviously the batteries from one source fit okay, while batteries from the other source did not.



Apple has had to recall millions of batteries and chargers. Do you think they rushed those products to market?

(It'd be hard to claim that anyway, at least after the first few months. They continued to sell many of the bad devices for years. They could've fixed them at any point, but they chose to keep making them, and in the case of the class actions, refused to acknowledge any problem existed even after they settled.)

Samsung as much as admitted they rushed the products to market, and with this alleged second wave of updated devices catching fire, it's a very bad sign. As far as Apple those chargers were never recalled by the CPSC or banned on aircraft, no matter what Apple said or did not say.
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When Apple copy something, its called inspiration. When Samsung does, is pure and simply theft... in case you did not know, Apple has been "inspired" many times.

Do you also know that there is a lot Samsung inside Apple products?

I never understood this hate for companies. It is so immature and captivating. First it was Microsoft, now Samsung and Google. Next, whatever is a threat to Apple's world domination.

And yes, you are a fanboy. But don't take it as an insult. It is who you are.

Just a point of clarification, it seems when apple is said to copy something, inspiration is not the word used. I don't have any specific example on these forum, but apple has been deemed to copy almost every feature on their phones.

They do however, at times, copy something, put their twist on it and come up with something brilliant.

 

[Feenician]

When Apple copy something, its called inspiration. When Samsung does, is pure and simply theft... in case you did not know, Apple has been "inspired" many times.

Do you also know that there is a lot Samsung inside Apple products?

I never understood this hate for companies. It is so immature and captivating. First it was Microsoft, now Samsung and Google. Next, whatever is a threat to Apple's world domination.

And yes, you are a fanboy. But don't take it as an insult. It is who you are.

You spend your entire time on the forums calling people Apple fanboys and defending Microsoft. Those who are quick to play the fanboy card...

Yout got a point. He is being paid by Apple and you have to protect the brand.

Untill Apple puts it there... and then all of sudden is amazing, efficient, great, suitable, cheap... OMG Apple did it again (head explodes). SD cards are great, don't lie to yourself.

Really? Companies that stick with Microsoft do so out of ignorance? Really? Oh boy. I didn't think blind hate could go this far, far away.

Come on man. It's 2015... we were supposed to stop hating MS a long time ago

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No, and please don't try to put words in people's mouths.

Still makes me laugh that you thought likening the danger of the Galaxy to cancer was a good defence of it. Heard some pretty wacky Defend Your Purchase screeds over the years but that one truly takes the cake.

 

[anthogag]

You can also buy BlackBerry 10 devices, to replace your ticking-time bomb (a.k.a Note 7), from Amazon, www.shopblackberry.com and maybe Staples (US).

BB10 devices don't have the explosion problems. BB10 runs Android apps. You can install Google Play on a BB10. Use an app named Cobalt, here it is https://cl.ly/0N3q0J013h3e/download/Google Play store by Cobalt.zip

 

[radio893fm]

You spend your entire time on the forums calling people Apple fanboys and defending Microsoft. Those who are quick to play the fanboy card...










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Still makes me laugh that you thought likening the danger of the Galaxy to cancer was a good defence of it. Heard some pretty wacky Defend Your Purchase screeds over the years but that one truly takes the cake.

You got me sherlock... I am Gates. Dont be so sensitive about the truth.

FYI, since you seem to care so much, I do have a Macbook Pro 15", an iPhone 6, 2 ATVs, a Surface, Sony TVs... I just don't marry a brand/company because to me thats ridiculous... I just use and analyze based on facts, real cold facts.

 

[Feenician]

You got me sherlock... I am Gates. Dont be so sensitive about the truth.

FYI, since you seem to care so much, I do have a Macbook Pro 15", an iPhone 6, 2 ATVs, a Surface, Sony TVs... I just don't marry a brand/company because to me thats ridiculous... I just use and analyze based on facts, real cold facts.

Yes yes. "I have all this Apple stuff guys but my posts about Apple, Apple devices and Apple customers are universally negative because I'm just so analytical and above it all". Join the queue with the others with the same MO

 

[radio893fm]

Yes yes. "I have all this Apple stuff guys but my posts about Apple, Apple devices and Apple customers are universally negative because I'm just so analytical and above it all". Join the queue with the others with the same MO

Apple is the best company in the world. Everybody else copies and can't innovate my ass. From now on I will only praise Apple. That will certainly add value to these forums. Sorry for all the negativity.

 

[Feenician]

Apple is the best company in the world. Everybody else copies and can't innovate my ass. From now on I will only praise Apple. That will certainly add value to these forums. Sorry for all the negativity.

Not even vaguely what I said and you're really just pulling the fanboy card again. I post plenty of critical posts about apple and Apple devices here (among my latest bugbears, copy and paste in iOS being garbage and the ATV4 remote being unusable). What I don't do is sit on an (ostensibly. Once upon a time) Apple-centric site only posting negative posts.

I'm fond of Linux on the server but, after a wasted near decade of using Linux on the desktop, abandoned it. For some reason I don't find it appropriate to go sit on Linux desktop centric forums telling everyone they're idiot nerds who love Linus irrationally. Seems like that would be a waste of my time. Go figure.

 

[realeric]

Another "safe" Samsung galaxy note 7 exploded in kid's hand today in Farmington, MN. It was replaced on Sep 21st.

http://kstp.com/news/samsung-replacement-phone-melted-zuis-farmington/4285759/?cat=1

The teenager, who was waiting to pick up her siblings from North Trail Elementary when the phone started smoking, says she dropped it immediately. “I’m glad it was in my hand and not my pocket,” Zuis said, adding that a school principal then kicked the phone out of the building.

A district spokesperson confirmed the incident took place in an email, saying “We are happy that our staff was able to provide assistance and that the outcome was not more serious.”

 

[kdarling]

Still makes me laugh that you thought likening the danger of the Galaxy to cancer was a good defence of it.

Then you have terrible reading comprehension skills, and even worse thread following skills.

I was agreeing with a poster that people in general don't care about deadly statistics.