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AT&T Considering Halting All Samsung Galaxy Note 7 Sales and Replacements
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In that case, you might not know that for years before that, both the airlines and the FAA ignored the NTSB's recommendation for smoke detectors and fire extinguishers in passenger plane cargo holds... because the supposed $350 million installation cost would be more than double the $160 million (*) worth of lives that they estimated would be lost to fires.
That is, until ValuJet 592 caught fire inside its hold and mercifully dove into the Everglades at 500 mph to end its doomed flight. That was 110 lives lost at once in a horrible way, which finally tipped the FAA and airline monetary and political scales into it no longer being an "acceptable risk".
(*) Back then, the FAA used $2.8 million per human life as the calculation as to whether or not a safety feature was needed. Now it's ~$3 million. This info comes from NTSB documents of the time, which pointed out the FAA calculations. Also see articles like: Airline Safety Costs - Washington Post, 2004
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In the end what does any of this have to do with the tremendous failure and liability that is the Samsung Galaxy Note 7?
Again, subthread comprehension fail. Also, a conversation between flyers, not you.
So far, you've become known for mostly making derogatory remarks about other people's posts. Pretty lazy stuff.
Try contributing some useful or at least interesting info of your own once in a while.
Nailed it. If you only have negative things to say about a company and their fans, why continue to frequent a forum filled with their fans? There are plenty of tech products out there that I find inadequate, but I simply don't use them and don't talk about them. I don't feel threatened by the existence of those products and it doesn't bother me that some people adore those products.
Subthread? There's subthreads? Sure look unthreaded to me. I fly 30-40 times a year, does that count? Am I qualified to take part in your private conversation in this public forum now?
Loving the attempt at personal attacks though. Not the first time you've tried it with me when faced with a question you don't like. Not even the 2nd or the 3rd.
Now run along back to Google and do come back and "contribute" more of these irrelevant, off-topic "facts". They reveal more about your agenda than if you tried to stick to the topic (It's AT&T Considering Halting All Samsung Galaxy Note 7 Sales and Replacements, if you've forgotten)
Seriously? You don't recognize that even this is a subthread and not part of the main topic?
Sure, if you mean you yourself fly or have flown airplanes (not just fly on them) and know about FAA rules and history.
And/or actually want to take part in our subdiscussion of airline fire procedures... which is related to the other subdiscussions about how much danger is or isn't involved in such a PED incident.
People in these forums seem obsessed with corporate greed, seem to believe that doing the right thing is always unprofitable, and see absolutely everything as a ruse to hide those true intentions.
Everything I've seen so far says Samsung behaved in good faith, but suffered from disorganization. They tried to react quickly and openly, but got ahead of government coordinators, they tried a firmware patch to reduce risk which gave the impression the devices were ok to use after the patch, the tried to expedite exchanges and may have tripped up again as a result.
Common sense says putting this problem to bed cleanly is the best for Samsung's bottom line, I don't see any reason why protecting the customer and corporate greed are at odds here.
I think Samsung has been very forthcoming about the problem and what they're trying to do. I think they're a bit disorganized, but I also think it's hard to do anything when you're talking about millions of units across dozens of countries and there's intense media focus. Just the logistics of selling a device like this is more than the average company could manage, let alone trying to get them all back once they've shipped, replace them, and keep everyone happy.
It's not clear to me yet what's going on with the replacements. Sounds like 2 may have gone up in smoke-- I'm not sure how that compares with the standard failure rates for mobile devices, I'm not sure if those really were updated devices or of a reseller made a mistake, and I'm not sure if everyone involved is on the up and up. Remember the Toyota "brake failures"? In the end, none of that really matters, what matters is the impression this all leaves with the public-- but I'm going to wait to find out the details before I personally heap more blame on Samsung.
This is an entirely unthreaded forum thread with the same name as the article. Checking things briefly I can confirm that : -
A) It is not a subthread, nor does such a concept exist in these forums
B) neither the thread nor the forum are for discussing piloting aircraft and thus such a discussion is entirely off-topic
C) off-topic diversions are usually posted by people trying to avoid the subject which, in this case is AT&T potentially removing the Samsung Galaxy Note 7 from sale due to it being a fire hazard on or off a plane
I think that's more than enough off-topic discussion at this point.
Get real.
You need to give it a rest.
BB10 is going no where.
That's why Blackberry went with Android.
A new replacement Note 7 caught on fire here in Minnesota while a 13 year old girl was simply holding it. This was on the news this evening. The girl said she felt a weird burning sensation and then the screen started to melt. This was a replacement Note 7 and has now drawn the attention of the Consumer Product Safety Commission who is looking into it as Samsung is saying they are working with the family.
The product needs to be discontinued immediately and eliminated. Note xx needs to be eliminated as a product. Just come out with a new name in 1-2 years.
The CPSC is going to probably step in and force a recall of all Note 7's. This might be the end of the Note as a product. However, this is just my opinion, but if they look into this and verify this is another replacement Note 7, it is really over. The CPSC stepping in could force the recall and deactivate all Note 7's.
The product needs to be discontinued immediately and eliminated. Note xx needs to be eliminated as a product. Just come out with a new name in 1-2 years.
The CPSC is going to probably step in and force a recall of all Note 7's. This might be the end of the Note as a product. However, this is just my opinion, but if they look into this and verify this is another replacement Note 7, it is really over. The CPSC stepping in could force the recall and deactivate all Note 7's.
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One can only hope that the huge, total cost of this fiasco will give Samsung pause and determination that a manufacturing and QC disaster like the Note7 will not be repeated, ever.
Also, this will no doubt be a graphic reminder to other manufacturers to examine their design and QC procedures.
Dunno if this was posted earlier in this thread. But a second replacement Note 7 caught fire. this one sightly burned the owner.
http://www.iclarified.com/57241/another-replacement-samsung-galaxy-note-7-catches-fire-video
http://www.iclarified.com/57241/another-replacement-samsung-galaxy-note-7-catches-fire-video
That's the report I mentioned a few posts up. I didn't have the link because it was on the news. They definitely had the receipts and mark showing that it was a replacement. That's why the CPSC is already involved. There is no way Samsung is going to say this is fake. The lawsuits are piling up even higher and this may result in plenty of fake reports as people try to jump on the bandwagon for lawsuits. If you burn anyone from a replacement phone or cause a fire, it is going to many millions. Thankfully the girl only got slightly burned.
And it's more than two reports already reported. The Kentucky one on the airplane plus a Korean woman felt the phone heating up in her pocket and pulled it out and dropped it on the ground and it went up in smoke and melt the screen.
Still, these are all just reports and need to be thought of as just that for now.
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No it doesn't. It's not even better than the Galaxy Edge phone. People were already complaining that the Note 7 wasn't much of an upgrade.
I read his post as someone who really doesn't have an iPhone 7+. Just wanted to post a shot against Apple.
As soon as Samsung solve the explosion issue, Note 7 will be a pretty interesting phone. My dream phone should have:
1- A sensitive pen for drawing/sketching and writing;
2- A camera as exciting as the Nokia 808 Pureview, but with raw support;
3- High dynamic range microphones as the ones found in most mid/high end Lumia phones. It's a shame recording a gig/rehearsal in 4K resolution with distorted audio. Most Lumias, even 2013 models, put iPhones in the dust when recording audio.
Lumia 930 can do [2] pretty decently (lacking resolution, but capable of generating .DNG files) and [3] very nicely. An iPhone needs a peripheral (like the iRig Mic) for doing [3]. I already tested the raw capabilities on my Lumia and I can really recover detail from highlights by shooting in raw+jpg mode. Of course, this doesn't really matter when HDR mode suits your needs (like scenes without moving objects).
What keeps me away from getting an iPhone is its very limited feature set on the creativity side. It's just a phone which runs popular apps. Its concept presumes a media consumer user instead of a media producer. It should at least suit needs of a person who likes producing something as a hobby.
1- A sensitive pen for drawing/sketching and writing;
2- A camera as exciting as the Nokia 808 Pureview, but with raw support;
3- High dynamic range microphones as the ones found in most mid/high end Lumia phones. It's a shame recording a gig/rehearsal in 4K resolution with distorted audio. Most Lumias, even 2013 models, put iPhones in the dust when recording audio.
Lumia 930 can do [2] pretty decently (lacking resolution, but capable of generating .DNG files) and [3] very nicely. An iPhone needs a peripheral (like the iRig Mic) for doing [3]. I already tested the raw capabilities on my Lumia and I can really recover detail from highlights by shooting in raw+jpg mode. Of course, this doesn't really matter when HDR mode suits your needs (like scenes without moving objects).
What keeps me away from getting an iPhone is its very limited feature set on the creativity side. It's just a phone which runs popular apps. Its concept presumes a media consumer user instead of a media producer. It should at least suit needs of a person who likes producing something as a hobby.
Nice deflection. My hatred for Samsung? I don't give that power to companies. My last post did not even mention Samsung.
Rather I was commenting on your very precious industry call to action with yourself having no credentials but scraping google for tech articles you don't fully understand, and trying to obfuscate and minimize Samsung's actions by bringing Apple into the problem.
I'm shocked you are not aware Apple engages in power source/battery R&D with scientists and engineers (up to the Ph.D. level) researching better battery systems and has acquired battery technology companies that have done the same. Rest assured scientists at Apple are continuing to evaluate and develop battery technology, and bring better batteries to their products when they're ready and approved. But that has nothing to do with the problem or the thrust of this thread. It is just your attempt at deflecting blame and bad publicity from Samsung, being a loyal apologist.
The problem lies with Samsung, being under tremendous pressure to bring their phone to market. In order to accomplish that they rushed the design and did not adequately test their product, risking property and lives in the process with phones that could burst into flames. What's was really egregious was trying to keep the problem low key by not notifying US regulatory agencies like they were supposed to do. They're paying the price now.
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You do realize that Apple is NOT above criticism, right?
Plenty of people like 90% of what Apple does, and fight(you'll say complain) for Apple to fix the last 10%
I think it says more about you, that you obviously can't stand to hear criticism about Apple, if you are reacting this way
Maybe you should assume less and read more. See the very next post I made, a whole two posts later in the thread
