AT&T Considering Modifications to Deadline for iPad Unlimited 3G Service Activations

[fmaxwell]

For starters why is it that no one complained when they had the unlimited plan. Now the same people who were happy with unilimited are pissed because AT&T is going to tiered data.

Kind of makes sense that someone who prefers an unlimited plan being available would be pissed if AT&T took that option away.

These are the same people who were going to keep it anyway. So to me it sounds like people are just complaining for the sake of complaining. Simple solution keep your plan!

I was planning to use the unlimited plan when I was on business travel or vacation and use the $15 plan when I was not. Are you willing to pay the $15 difference on those months when I'm at home? Are you willing to pick up the whole cost of the plan if I elect to leave the iPad at home for a multi-month launch campaign where I will have my laptop and WiFi access? Didn't think so.

 

[tasset]

Look at this way. When the iPad was announced with the unlimited data plan, they knew people would balk if they had to be locked into a contract with AT&T. So when they said it was contract free, everyone (including employees at Apple and AT&T) said hey this is great you can just add a month's data package whenever you need it. Such as, a business trip.
I and many others had no intention on giving AT&T $360/year. I was thinking eh maybe $150-$200. Just for the months I specifically needed it. And when I need it, I don't plan on watching a meter. Just as Steve said, UNLIMITED.

So fine, now AT&T pulls it. Meaning I have to give them the full $360. Well OK. I will get my usage then. Those months I could have been using wifi and easing the burden on the network? Gone.

 

[JediZenMaster]

Why would anyone complain about all you can eat data? Use it great, don't great... but it's there if you need it. Complaining about unlimited data is a less than stellar argument IMO.

I don't know people just love to complain for some reason even if it's not something that effects them. It's the american way to complain i guess and then develop high blood pressure and headaches over stuff.

I have never complained about a gadget in my life. I got better things to do LOL. Than complain on a website over a stupid phone. I love my iPhone but there are more important issues to complain about IMO. To each their own though.

Kind of makes sense that someone who prefers an unlimited plan being available would be pissed if AT&T took that option away.



I was planning to use the unlimited plan when I was on business travel or vacation and use the $15 plan when I was not. Are you willing to pay the $15 difference on those months when I'm at home? Are you willing to pick up the whole cost of the plan if I elect to leave the iPad at home for a multi-month launch campaign where I will have my laptop and WiFi access? Didn't think so.

Well then i don't know what to tell you. Find a device that makes you happy

 

[cmaier]

Well then i don't know what to tell you. Find a device that makes you happy

We already bought devices that would make us happy if the seller lived up to the promise the seller made to lure us into buying them.

 

[JediZenMaster]

We already bought devices that would make us happy if the seller lived up to the promise the seller made to lure us into buying them.

Nothing is forever

 

[cmaier]

Nothing is forever

I agree wholeheartedly. So let's take that off the table and move on from there. Do you agree that if they advertise a feature (a feature that, as of this moment, is STILL being advertised - the ability to switch to unlimited at a future date when you go on vacation), they need to allow you to do it at least ONCE?

p.s.: and by "allow you to do it," I mean "for a reasonable time, give you the opportunity to do it if you choose to do so." No one is suggesting that marksman strawman "what if you choose not to do it for 10 years" nonsense.

 

[JediZenMaster]

I agree wholeheartedly. So let's take that off the table and move on from there. Do you agree that if they advertise a feature (a feature that, as of this moment, is STILL being advertised - the ability to switch to unlimited at a future date when you go on vacation), they need to allow you to do it at least ONCE?

p.s.: and by "allow you to do it," I mean "for a reasonable time, give you the opportunity to do it if you choose to do so." No one is suggesting that marksman strawman "what if you choose not to do it for 10 years" nonsense.

Yes i do but i also think that people need to educate themselves with the TOS of whatever service they sign up for. For me even if its signing up for a affinity card at a supermarket i make sure i read all of it so i can't be blindsided.

So while they should allow people to switch. If it remarks in the TOS that they have a right to change features at anytime. Then people should have read that and realize that the unlimited data thing was not something that would always be around.

My issue with the iPad is that if you have a device like that why would someone not want unlimited while its still around? I mean did people really buy the device just to use it half way and not all the way? I Use mine untill it needs to be charged. Granted i don't have the 3G version only because i had a strange feeling that sometime this year the Unlimited buisness model was going to the wayside.

It's like having a BMW IMO and only driving it around the corner and hardly using it. I guess some people would claim they couldn't afford it. Well i have a hard time eating that pill if you can afford a Macbook pro,an iphone,ipad,Cable TV and then you can probarly afford paying 30 dollars. I'm all for being frugal but the reality is most people who own multiple apple products are not hurting for cash. The demographics show that. And hell most people live beyond their means all the time. That was the american way all the time it was our societies greed and excess that lead to the Depression were in.

People on this board are pretty informed when it comes to the industry Ralph de La Vega pretty much gave people the hint that this was coming months ago. No one listened and insisted they wouldn't do it. No one reads a TOS at all anymore. it's like we just sign anything we just setup anything and damn what the agreement says.

But to answer your question yes it should be once but if it says otherwise in the TOS and someone agreed to it. You can't fight it. well You can but in the end you wont be the victor. And i'm not a fanboy of AT&T nor am i defending them. But what i am defending is the right to READ something before you set it up and to listen to Hints in the industry.

 

[LizKat]

Apple still, right now, advertises that I can activate unlimited access on my next business trip or vacation. They leave out the part about "as long as you land in your exotic destination, get to the hotel, unpack, and activate your account in the next 14 hours or so."

Yeah, and further, your billing zip code back home better be in an AT&T coverage area!

An AT&T sales rep told me this afternoon that I will never be able to activate an iPad data plan because my RESIDENTIAL zip code is not served by AT&T wireless service of any sort.

I said, huh? So what? I said that my two existing AT&T cell phone contracts cover an iPhone and another cell phone that work fine every place I have tried to use them. Living in a dead zone in the boondocks lo these many dead-zone years, I am smart enough not to try to use my cellphones in my house! And anyway, why would I not use my iPad off my own WiFi from my own DSL when I'm home?! That's what I do with my iPhone and iPod touch. I only use cellular devices when I'm not home. What's a MOBILE device for anyway??? To take somewhere ELSE, that's what!

He said yeah whatever, but we have updated our computer systems and I can tell you right now that your account is flagged so if you try to add another cell line, or something like the data plan for iPad, you will not be able to do it.

I said "What?" and "Why?"

He said "Because we don't want you to be unhappy that there is no service where you live. So we will not sell you any service that you could not use at home."

Duh. What a crock. Of course I will always be unhappy that there's no service where I live, but I don't have any expectation of service where I live, so what does that have to do with anything? It has not kept me from paying my damn cell bills on time for the past FIVE YEARS.

So I persisted in asking this sales guy questions, and finally he transferred me to customer service. Right , so then she and her supervisor said that they both think if I take the iPad someplace where there is an AT&T signal and just turn the device on, I will be able to buy a data plan from wherever I am at that moment, as long as I provide a valid credit card and properly matching billing address. She said that AT&T will "see" at that point that I am connected to their tower, and that anyway they do have separate places to store data on billing zip code and zip code of primary usage.

I said "place of primary usage? it's wherever I am when I turn the thing on, right?!?" I am trying to remember if I actually had to provide a full address of "primary usage" when I managed to convince them to give me the iPhone contract. I think I just told them I fairly often park outside a Chinese restaurant in a town about 40 miles from here to let my sister know I've arrived and find out where she is, on the road or already inside. So they gave me an iPhone number with the telephone exchange of that town. Duh.... so does that count for place of primary usage? I might just have easily said I park outside the Pricechopper in Oneonta and make phone calls. More often, actually.

So go figure. I do not know who at AT&T is right and who's mistaken about my potential for getting my iPad data plan launched.

My problem is that on June 9th when my iPad arrives, I will not even want to open up the packaging, if I cannot elect to use a data plan from anyplace with an AT&T signal that I happen to be in when I decide to sign up for cellular data access. I had wanted to sign up for the unlimited plan so that whenever I was someplace like Ithaca or Rochester, where there's a reliable AT&T signal, I could use my cell service rather than guest or public WiFi. At home of course I would use the iPad in WiFi mode to my DSL.

Now it sounds like I should not have elected the 3G option if AT&T will not sell me the service. I am ticked because nowhere in big print on either Apple or AT&T websites does it say oh by the way if you live in rural America, don't get the cellular option for iPad because we assume you rural types never come off the reservation so you don't need cellular access. Grrrrrrrr.

 

[cmaier]

Yes i do but i also think that people need to educate themselves with the TOS of whatever service they sign up for. For me even if its signing up for a affinity card at a supermarket i make sure i read all of it so i can't be blindsided.

So while they should allow people to switch. If it remarks in the TOS that they have a right to change features at anytime. Then people should have read that and realize that the unlimited data thing was not something that would always be around.

My issue with the iPad is that if you have a device like that why would someone not want unlimited while its still around? I mean did people really buy the device just to use it half way and not all the way? I Use mine untill it needs to be charged. Granted i don't have the 3G version only because i had a strange feeling that sometime this year the Unlimited buisness model was going to the wayside.

It's like having a BMW IMO and only driving it around the corner and hardly using it. I guess some people would claim they couldn't afford it. Well i have a hard time eating that pill if you can afford a Macbook pro,an iphone,ipad,Cable TV and then you can probarly afford paying 30 dollars. I'm all for being frugal but the reality is most people who own multiple apple products are not hurting for cash. The demographics show that. And hell most people live beyond their means all the time. That was the american way all the time it was our societies greed and excess that lead to the Depression were in.

People on this board are pretty informed when it comes to the industry Ralph de La Vega pretty much gave people the hint that this was coming months ago. No one listened and insisted they wouldn't do it. No one reads a TOS at all anymore. it's like we just sign anything we just setup anything and damn what the agreement says.

But to answer your question yes it should be once but if it says otherwise in the TOS and someone agreed to it. You can't fight it. well You can but in the end you wont be the victor. And i'm not a fanboy of AT&T nor am i defending them. But what i am defending is the right to READ something before you set it up and to listen to Hints in the industry.

Actually you CAN fight it. What has happened here is there are essentially two contracts. The first contract arises from promises made by Apple and AT&T - "give us money, and in exchange we will give you a device - useful only on AT&T's network (ignore international for now), which allows you to switch back and forth to and from unlimited access in 30-day increments, cancellable by you at any time." A contract is just such an exchange of promises.

That's the first contract. It's an actual contract, written or not. It's governed by the Uniform Commercial Code plus common law contract principles. Even if it was not an express contract (it is), it's an implied contract arising from the legal principle of promisory estoppel. When I reasonably relied on Apple/AT&T's promise, to my detriment (i.e. $$), they were bound. To the extent the duration of that contract was not expressly stated, contract law fills in the duration term - it must be "reasonable" (whatever that means. Zero duration and forever are not reasonable, though).

Now, once we have that contract, we can enter into a series of 30 day contracts for service. The terms of those contracts can be additional to the first contract, but they cannot conflict. The Terms of Service do not somehow get AT&T/Apple out from under the overriding contract we made.

This is exactly how franchise agreements and supply agreements work. I need hamburgers, so you agree to sell me up to 1000 each week, but we can cancel at any time. In exchange, i cancel a contract I had with another supplier (or I pay you a retainer, or I do something else showing I rely on your promise to supply me each week, though you can cancel at any time).

The first week, you send me hamburgers, and I send you money. That exchange is due to contract that is governed by the UCC.

The second week, same thing. A new contract, covering just those sales, governed by the UCC.

The third week, you say "I'll sell you hamburgers, but only 750. And I'll knock a dollar off the price."

You can't do that. I've relied on your promise and taken actions to my detriment. You must continue to sell me hamburgers in accordance with our original agreement for a reasonable time, even though each weekly contract dealt only with that allotment of hamburgers, and even though we agreed ahead of time that you could cancel at any time.

It's not necessarily something that is intuitive to people, but the law deals with this stuff all the time.

p.s.: the fact that AT&T was planning to do this ahead of time (if you interpret de la Vega's comments that way) is evidence of fraud. They told a lie (buy an ipad and you can switch back and forth between unlimited and limited) with an intent that people rely on it - people did rely on it and were injured as a result.

 

[JediZenMaster]

Actually you CAN fight it. What has happened here is there are essentially two contracts. The first contract arises from promises made by Apple and AT&T - "give us money, and in exchange we will give you a device - useful only on AT&T's network (ignore international for now), which allows you to switch back and forth to and from unlimited access in 30-day increments, cancellable by you at any time." A contract is just such an exchange of promises.

That's the first contract. It's an actual contract, written or not. It's governed by the Uniform Commercial Code plus common law contract principles. Even if it was not an express contract (it is), it's an implied contract arising from the legal principle of promisory estoppel. When I reasonably relied on Apple/AT&T's promise, to my detriment (i.e. $$), they were bound. To the extent the duration of that contract was not expressly stated, contract law fills in the duration term - it must be "reasonable" (whatever that means. Zero duration and forever are not reasonable, though).

Now, once we have that contract, we can enter into a series of 30 day contracts for service. The terms of those contracts can be additional to the first contract, but they cannot conflict. The Terms of Service do not somehow get AT&T/Apple out from under the overriding contract we made.

So pretty much what your trying to say is that if AT&T didn't allow me to Grandfather my Unlimited iphone data package that i could sue them? Or if they told me they were no longer going to offer rollover minutes that i could sue them? I don't buy it. They would simply let me out of my contract with no ETF. Because it does state that they can change anything at any time.

 

[IPPlanMan]

So pretty much what your trying to say is that if AT&T didn't allow me to Grandfather my Unlimited iphone data package that i could sue them? Or if they told me they were no longer going to offer rollover minutes that i could sue them? I don't buy it. They would simply let me out of my contract with no ETF. Because it does state that they can change anything at any time.

Do you think there's been reasonable period of time for AT&T to change the deal for a device that was sold with the premise of a "no contract" unlimited start and stop anytime plan?

If you do, are you serious?

 

[cmaier]

So pretty much what your trying to say is that if AT&T didn't allow me to Grandfather my Unlimited iphone data package that i could sue them? Or if they told me they were no longer going to offer rollover minutes that i could sue them? I don't buy it. They would simply let me out of my contract with no ETF. Because it does state that they can change anything at any time.

Re-read what I said. If AT&T convinced you to change to AT&T and buy a phone by offering a new feature - rollover minutes - and you did switch, then after offering rollover minutes for one month they cancelled rollover minutes, yes, you could sue. And if they convince you to buy an expensive gadget by saying you can buy one month contracts for unlimited data, and then after one month of offering that they cancelled it and didn't grandfather you, yes, you could sue. Because they didn't live up to their promise for a reasonable length of time, and you detrimentally relied on their promise, or gave them consideration (i.e. something of value) in exchange for their promise. There are literally thousands of court cases from around the country and in England that say exactly the same thing.

And them saying they can change anything at any time does not make it so. Just like when the back of your parking garage stub says "we aren't liable for any damage to your car" it doesn't make it so.

p.s.: to be clear, what you'd be suing for is to be made whole. i.e.:, for a refund for your iPad, and any other costs associated with switching back to another carrier, etc. You can't force AT&T to offer the product forever. You can only be made "whole" again - i.e.: put back in the position you were in prior to starting this. Though, if AT&T committed fraud, that's a whole other ball of wax.

 

[JediZenMaster]

Do you think there's been reasonable period of time for AT&T to change the deal for a device that was sold with the premise of a "no contract" unlimited start and stop anytime plan?

If you do, are you serious?

Have you read the Terms of Service? A wireless provider can make a change at anytime. When you set up service that's what you agree to. Do you honestly think that someone who didn't sign a contract would get special treatment over someone who did sign a contract? Are you serious?

 

[IPPlanMan]

Also file a complaint with the Better Business Bureau!

In addition to filing a complaint with the FTC at: https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/


You can also file a complaint with the Better Business Bureau... http://www.bbb.org/us/

You can also file a complaint with the Attorney General of your state...

 

[JediZenMaster]

Re-read what I said. If AT&T convinced you to change to AT&T and buy a phone by offering a new feature - rollover minutes - and you did switch, then after offering rollover minutes for one month they cancelled rollover minutes, yes, you could sue. And if they convince you to buy an expensive gadget by saying you can buy one month contracts for unlimited data, and then after one month of offering that they cancelled it and didn't grandfather you, yes, you could sue. Because they didn't live up to their promise for a reasonable length of time, and you detrimentally relied on their promise, or gave them consideration (i.e. something of value) in exchange for their promise. There are literally thousands of court cases from around the country and in England that say exactly the same thing.

And them saying they can change anything at any time does not make it so. Just like when the back of your parking garage stub says "we aren't liable for any damage to your car" it doesn't make it so.

You actually can't sue at first. If you read your TOS you would see you agree to arbitration. If you don't believe me go back and read it.

 

[cmaier]

Have you read the Terms of Service? A wireless provider can make a change at anytime. When you set up service that's what you agree to. Do you honestly think that someone who didn't sign a contract would get special treatment over someone who did sign a contract? Are you serious?

You are analyzing this from the wrong perspective. That contract deals only with your relationship with AT&T during those thirty days. There's a bigger, more important, contract that requires AT&T to enter into those little contracts for a reasonable time. AT&T putting in a term requiring you to squawk like a chicken and giving them naming rights to your firstborn son does not actually give them those rights.

You actually can't sue at first. If you read your TOS you would see you agree to arbitration. If you don't believe me go back and read it.

Again, that term applies only to a breach of that 30-day contract. That is not the contract that AT&T has breached. AT&T breached their contract requiring them to offer you 30-day contracts for a reasonable time. There is no arbitration clause in that bigger contract.

And I assure you there will be at least one lawsuit before very long.

 

[JediZenMaster]

http://www.bbb.org/us/
You can also file a complaint with the Better Business Bureau...

You can also file a complaint with the Attorney General of your state...

ARBITRATION AGREEMENT
(1) AT&T and you agree to arbitrate all disputes and claims between us. This agreement to arbitrate is intended to be broadly interpreted. It includes, but is not limited to:

claims arising out of or relating to any aspect of the relationship between us, whether based in contract, tort, statute, fraud, misrepresentation or any other legal theory;
claims that arose before this or any prior Agreement (including, but not limited to, claims relating to advertising);
claims that are currently the subject of purported class action litigation in which you are not a member of a certified class; and
claims that may arise after the termination of this Agreement.
References to "AT&T," "you," and "us" include our respective subsidiaries, affiliates, agents, employees, predecessors in interest, successors, and assigns, as well as all authorized or unauthorized users or beneficiaries of services or Devices under this or prior Agreements between us. Notwithstanding the foregoing, either party may bring an individual action in small claims court. This arbitration agreement does not preclude you from bringing issues to the attention of federal, state, or local agencies, including, for example, the Federal Communications Commission. Such agencies can, if the law allows, seek relief against us on your behalf. You agree that, by entering into this Agreement, you and AT&T are each waiving the right to a trial by jury or to participate in a class action. This Agreement evidences a transaction in interstate commerce, and thus the Federal Arbitration Act governs the interpretation and enforcement of this provision. This arbitration provision shall survive termination of this Agreement.

Again, that term applies only to a breach of that 30-day contract. That is not the contract that AT&T has breached. AT&T breached their contract requiring them to offer you 30-day contracts for a reasonable time. There is no arbitration clause in that bigger contract.

And I assure you there will be at least one lawsuit before very long.

Great let me know how it turns out then And show me where legally they are forced by law and offer unlimited data?

 

[cmaier]

Sorry. Doesn't apply. In fact AT&T has already been dragged into court for misrepresenting iPhone quality of service. They are in the Northern District of California San Jose Division in front of Judge Ware. And they got past the arbitration agreement (though they're re-pleading for other reasons). The arbitration agreement will not apply to the class action suit(s) that arise from this.

ARBITRATION AGREEMENT
(1) AT&T and you agree to arbitrate all disputes and claims between us. This agreement to arbitrate is intended to be broadly interpreted. It includes, but is not limited to:

claims arising out of or relating to any aspect of the relationship between us, whether based in contract, tort, statute, fraud, misrepresentation or any other legal theory;
claims that arose before this or any prior Agreement (including, but not limited to, claims relating to advertising);
claims that are currently the subject of purported class action litigation in which you are not a member of a certified class; and
claims that may arise after the termination of this Agreement.
References to "AT&T," "you," and "us" include our respective subsidiaries, affiliates, agents, employees, predecessors in interest, successors, and assigns, as well as all authorized or unauthorized users or beneficiaries of services or Devices under this or prior Agreements between us. Notwithstanding the foregoing, either party may bring an individual action in small claims court. This arbitration agreement does not preclude you from bringing issues to the attention of federal, state, or local agencies, including, for example, the Federal Communications Commission. Such agencies can, if the law allows, seek relief against us on your behalf. You agree that, by entering into this Agreement, you and AT&T are each waiving the right to a trial by jury or to participate in a class action. This Agreement evidences a transaction in interstate commerce, and thus the Federal Arbitration Act governs the interpretation and enforcement of this provision. This arbitration provision shall survive termination of this Agreement.

Great let me know how it turns out then And show me where legally they are forced by law and offer unlimited data?

They advertised it! So they have to offer it for a reasonable time (which, by grandfathering, they presumably accomplished).

They also advertised start-stop-start. So they have to offer THAT for a reasonable time.

You can't advertise a feature and then not provide it. It's false advertising, breach of contract, potentially fraud, etc. Right now, on Apple's website, it says you can buy an iPad, wait to go on vacation, and then activate unlimited data. You can't. That's false advertising. You really think you can advertise whatever you want, provide something completely different, and somehow be saved by sticking boilerplate in the fine print of a contract that pops up in a dialog box that no one reads? Really? Because that's not how the law works.

 

[JediZenMaster]

Actually here is a better example for you. There were people who had the iPhone 3G and 2G on prepaid accounts. They were paying for unlimited data and after a certain point. AT&T told me they were not going to allow the pre-paid iphones to have that package anymore.

What do you think would have happened if they took aT&T to court? They would have lost. Because your stuck in a contract with that and your not with the iPad data plan. You can cancel at anytime.

But i will just sit and watch the class action suit and see who wins. If it even gets that far.

They advertised it! So they have to offer it for a reasonable time (which, by grandfathering, they presumably accomplished).

They also advertised start-stop-start. So they have to offer THAT for a reasonable time.

You can't advertise a feature and then not provide it. It's false advertising, breach of contract, potentially fraud, etc. Right now, on Apple's website, it says you can buy an iPad, wait to go on vacation, and then activate unlimited data. You can't. That's false advertising. You really think you can advertise whatever you want, provide something completely different, and somehow be saved by sticking boilerplate in the fine print of a contract that pops up in a dialog box that no one reads? Really? Because that's not how the law works.

Actually your wrong. It does tell you on the page. http://store.apple.com/us/browse/ho...-IPAD-3G+++WI-FI&cp=CONFIGURE-IPAD-3G+++WI-FI

It tells you the Unlimited* $29.99
* Available if ordering iPad from the Apple Online Store by June 6

Scroll down and it does. Now if someone doesn't read that then they are a fool for not paying attention to what they have ordered.

 

[IPPlanMan]

Not exactly...

Not exactly...

http://www.apple.com/ipad/3g/

No-contract 3G service.
AT&T 3G Data Plans for iPad

Data per month Price per month
250MB $14.99
Unlimited $29.99
One month is based on 30 consecutive days, and starts at the date and time of your purchase.

In the United States, 3G service is available through a breakthrough deal with AT&T. You choose the amount of data per month you want to buy — 250MB or unlimited. If you choose the 250MB plan, you’ll receive onscreen messages as you get close to your monthly data limit so you can decide whether to turn off 3G or upgrade to the unlimited plan. Best of all, there’s no long-term contract. So if you have a business trip or vacation approaching, just sign up for the month you’ll be traveling and cancel when you get back. You don’t need to visit a store to get 3G service. You can sign up, check your data usage, manage your account, or cancel your service — all from your iPad.

 

[cmaier]

Actually your wrong. It does tell you on the page. http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_ipad/family/ipad?aid=AIC-WWW-NAUS-K2-CONFIGURE-IPAD-3G+++WI-FI&cp=CONFIGURE-IPAD-3G+++WI-FI

It tells you the Unlimited* $29.99
* Available if ordering iPad from the Apple Online Store by June 6

Scroll down and it does. Now if someone doesn't read that then they are a fool for not paying attention to what they have ordered.

I'm not wrong you are comparing an asterisk to what's on this page?

http://www.apple.com/ipad/3g

That page says I can go on a trip then enable unlimited access. No asterisks, no nuthin'. It clearly advertises, still, features that do not exist. Telling the truth in an asterisk on one page doesn't eliminate the lie repeated multiple times on another page

 

[JediZenMaster]

I'm not wrong you are comparing an asterisk to what's on this page?

http://www.apple.com/iPad/3g

That page says I can go on a trip then enable unlimited access. No asterisks, no nuthin'. It clearly advertises, still, features that do not exist.

I'm on the page where you go to select your device. Click on Buy now and then scroll down and it should be on the right side. http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_ipad/family/ipad?aid=AIC-WWW-NAUS-K2-BUYNOW-IPAD-3G+++WI-FI&cp=BUYNOW-IPAD-3G+++WI-FI

 

[cmaier]

I'm on the page where you go to select your device. Click on Buy now and then scroll down and it should be on the right side. http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_ipad/family/ipad?aid=AIC-WWW-NAUS-K2-BUYNOW-IPAD-3G+++WI-FI&cp=BUYNOW-IPAD-3G+++WI-FI

Again, telling the truth in a footnote in one page doesn't relieve them of the responsibility for the lie they are still telling in multiple places in the text of a different web page. If I see an ad that promises a feature, it's not my responsibility to go read every other ad for that product in case one of them tells a contradictory story in a footnote. You said I was wrong when I said they are still lying. I'm not. They are still saying you can switch back and forth to the unlimited plan.

 

[JediZenMaster]

Again, telling the truth in a footnote in one page doesn't relieve them of the responsibility for the lie they are still telling in multiple places in the text of a different web page. If I see an ad that promises a feature, it's not my responsibility to go read every other ad for that product in case one of them tells a contradictory story in a footnote. You said I was wrong when I said they are still lying. I'm not. They are still saying you can switch back and forth to the unlimited plan.

Okay well you win then. I'm done. I proved my point. You stated that they didnt tell you that anywhere on the page and they did. Seems to me like you just have to be right so go ahead you win.

I have got better things to do than to let a device consume my life. That's something that i will leave to you. Oh and when you guys lose the class action law suit i will be chuckling.

 

[IPPlanMan]

Really?

Okay well you win then. I'm done. I proved my point. You stated that they didnt tell you that anywhere on the page and they did. Seems to me like you just have to be right so go ahead you win.

I have got better things to do than to let a device consume my life. That's something that i will leave to you. Oh and when you guys lose the class action law suit i will be chuckling.

Why make this personal? It's not about you. Why have you invested yourself in something that AT&T and Apple have been deceitful about?

You have better things to do? You'll be chuckling when we lose? Again, it's not about you... even if you want it to be.

Sour grapes if you ask me...