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1. The new plan will save you money.

Bull! You know nothing about how much data he will need to move in the future. What if he needs 10GB the next month while he's on vacation in cabin the the Florida Keys that does not have WiFi? What if he's stationed at a business partner's site and they don't provide public WiFi and he needs to move multiple PowerPoint, Word, high-res photos, and other presentation materials over the 3G?

Some people are actually financially literate and are able to realize that this saves money for the vast majority of people.

I don't give a damn about saving money for "the vast majority of people." I care about being able to use my iPad on the 3G network without having to monitor and conserve bandwidth -- even when I am at a satellite launch site for several months at a time with no available WiFi.

Some people are actually intelligent and able to realize that this 2GB cap could cost them a lot of money or severely limit how they could use the iPad that they paid for.

For those who are tired of subsidizing pig/hogs why should we continue subsidizing those who have unlimited plans? This isn't welfare. If you say because we help AT&T then AT&T would continue with the status-quo and continue with the the "unlimited" plan. For us who are tired of subsidizing pig/hogs this change of plan news is neutural if not good news.

I'm tired of these insulting terms for everyone who moves a lot of data. They aren't "pigs" or "hogs." They are people who need, or choose, to use more data than some others. They aren't immoral, unethical, unfair, greedy, or gluttons just because they don't happen to have the ability to move all of their data over WiFi. They bought a device with a promise that they could get an unlimited plan when their needs called for it. Anyone who wanted a metered service should have bought a different device, not cheered when Apple and AT&T reneged on their advertised promises of "unlimited" data plans.

Maybe we should start referring to those who don't move much data as "data anorexics." And those who upload as much as they download could be called "data bulimics." I'm just amazed that AT&T has actually successfully demonized people who move a lot of data. It's like when the airlines crammed more seats into a plane, giving each person less room for carry-on, and then actually convinced a bunch of idiot customers that the bad guys were the ones who wanted to bring as much carry-on luggage as they used to.
 
I'm tired of these insulting terms for everyone who moves a lot of data. They aren't "pigs" or "hogs." They are people who need, or choose, to use more data than some others. They aren't immoral, unethical, unfair, greedy, or gluttons just because they don't happen to have the ability to move all of their data over WiFi. They bought a device with a promise that they could get an unlimited plan when their needs called for it. Anyone who wanted a metered service should have bought a different device, not cheered when Apple and AT&T reneged on their advertised promises of "unlimited" data plans.

Maybe we should start referring to those who don't move much data as "data anorexics." And those who upload as much as they download could be called "data bulimics." I'm just amazed that AT&T has actually successfully demonized people who move a lot of data. It's like when the airlines crammed more seats into a plane, giving each person less room for carry-on, and then actually convinced a bunch of idiot customers that the bad guys were the ones who wanted to bring as much carry-on luggage as they used to.

Your right there is nothing wrong with people who want to use more data, as long as they are willing to pay for it, and not demand others subsidize their activities.

The problem is I have't seen many people complaining about any of these changes say, "You know what, I use more data, I should pay for it. it is not fair for everyone else who uses less data to pay for me using more data."

In fact I am not sure I have seen a single person say anything close to that... so it becomes harder not to think people are being greedy when they show no sign or evidence they are not being greedy.

By its very existence a $30 unlimited plan is a plan that allows those who use more data to be subsidized by those who use less. Again , I don't see anyone who uses more data stepping up and saying, "I should pay for the data I use, not other people."

Clearly you and you satellite launch sites, were counting on other people to continue to pay for the actual bandwidth you used. Things changed and you are pissed. Sure it was a good ride overall, even if short lived on the iPad, for the higher user people to pay less than their fair share, but I don't know why anyone can legitimately complain that it is not reasonable for them to pay their share.

Why should I pay $35 a month so you can have unlimited access, when I could pay $15 a month for my access and you have to pay $55 for yours. I am going to be just as selfish and greedy now. I want to pay for what I use, you want ME to pay, partially, for what you use.
 
Bull! You know nothing about how much data he will need to move in the future. What if he needs 10GB the next month while he's on vacation in cabin the the Florida Keys that does not have WiFi?

kind of a moot point, as the "unlimited" plan really only includes 5GB.
 
I am not a bandwidth hog. I have a 3G and have not used 1kb of 3G data since I've activated on April 30. I've been 100% WiFi. However, I know when I go to the beach in July I will be using 3G. That was going to be the first time I flipped the 3G switch on and then 30 days later I'd turn it off until the next time I needed 3G.

ATT changed the equation though. Now I'll turn on 3G on Sunday, a month earlier than anticipated. Since I'm paying for the 3G service I'm damn well going to use it. I'll become a bandwidth hog, not because that is who I am, but that is who ATT made me become by forcing me to continually buy data I don't really want.

Now if ATT said that I could "grandfather" into the unlimited plan w/o having to re-up every month I would not re-up every month. I'd use the 3G when I needed it, and only then. A lot less bandwidth used, and isn't that what ATT's goal is? That isn't the case though. So 3G wasting will now be a way of life until I can establish I'd never need more than 2GB in any given 30 days. My guess is I'm pretty typical. The $15 plan is a joke. That is about what I use on my iPhone -- but I don't watch movies on my phone. That is the difference.

This...

nice post Chupa
 
Bull! You know nothing about how much data he will need to move in the future. What if he needs 10GB the next month while he's on vacation in cabin the the Florida Keys that does not have WiFi? What if he's stationed at a business partner's site and they don't provide public WiFi and he needs to move multiple PowerPoint, Word, high-res photos, and other presentation materials over the 3G?

Then he can friggin' *pay* for the data he uses, rather than expect me to subsidize him. It's that simple.

And if he's using the iPad for work, he should seek reimbursement there, or charge the client.

I don't give a damn about saving money for "the vast majority of people." I care about being able to use my iPad on the 3G network without having to monitor and conserve bandwidth -- even when I am at a satellite launch site for several months at a time with no available WiFi.

Yeah, all you care about is saving money for yourself by having other users subsidize your bandwidth. Which makes me think that perhaps "data hog" is the appropriate term after all. The fact is, I don't want to pay higher rates so you can stream Pandora all day at work (or whatever). But I have no problem if you want to pay for yourself.

Some people are actually intelligent and able to realize that this 2GB cap could cost them a lot of money or severely limit how they could use the iPad that they paid for.

So their solution is to have other users pay for them. Thanks, but no thanks.
 
Another issue...

Not only have many of us users become accustomed to the potential of unlimited data for a fixed fee, but other businesses have, too. For example, the Netflix movie download to your portable device service was built up on the belief that iPhones, iPads, Androids et al could download movies pretty much at will without regard to the data sizes involved. And they made that business decision because that's what the 3G (4G, whatever) providers were offering.

We can argue about whether ATT was subsidizing (or ought to be subsidizing) these business models, but suffice it to say that a significant change has occurred with very short notice. The same is true regarding individuals and business users who planned their iPad purchases based on unlimited plans. If you are a significant user of of data, your actual costs are now no predictable.

I sort of feel like ATT has been a pusher: addict me to cheap voluminous data, then change the rules.
 
Don't get mad... Get even...

Sure it was a good ride overall, even if short lived on the iPad....

If the iPad 3G was launched with the 2GB capped plan, it would not have sold nearly as well as it did.

Many of those purchases were based on the reasonable expectation that the ability to cancel and restart a "breakthrough" unlimited data plan would last longer than a month after the device shipped to customers.... and now a no contract, cancel anytime plan has turned into a de facto contract.... so if you ever let that unlimited plan lapse, you can't ever get it back.

Good ride? It was a ride to the bank for Apple and AT&T.

I know of quite a few people who have filed complaints with the FTC against Apple and AT&T for this bait and switch.

Federal Trade Commission Act (15 U.S.C. §§ 41-58, as amended)
Under this Act, the Commission is empowered, among other things, to (a) prevent unfair methods of competition, and unfair or deceptive acts or practices in or affecting commerce; (b) seek monetary redress and other relief for conduct injurious to consumers; (c) prescribe trade regulation rules defining with specificity acts or practices that are unfair or deceptive, and establishing requirements designed to prevent such acts or practices; (d) conduct investigations relating to the organization, business, practices, and management of entities engaged in commerce; and (e) make reports and legislative recommendations to Congress.

Don't just get mad. Join them:

https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/FTC_Wizard.aspx?Lang=en
 
Your right there is nothing wrong with people who want to use more data, as long as they are willing to pay for it, and not demand others subsidize their activities.

alhedges said:
Then he can friggin' *pay* for the data he uses, rather than expect me to subsidize him. It's that simple.

I'll answer you both here since you were just making the same claim: Bait and switch is okay as long as you benefit from it.

They did pay for it! That's what they monthly $29.99 fee is for. They also paid for the expensive iPads based on the promise of the availability of the $29.99 plan on an as-needed basis. It was advertised, touted, and used as an incentive to buy the product.

Now you want Apple to screw others over by taking away an advertised feature so that you can get a better deal than was advertised.

You're the ones being self-centered and greedy here. What's next? Cheering when your insurance company caps payouts for ovarian cancer because you don't have ovaries and it will save you money? And because you're tired of "subsidizing" the medical care of people who need care that you don't?

If you didn't like the plans offered because you were so afraid that someone else might get more data than you for the same $30 monthly fee, then you should not have bought a 3G iPad.

The plans were explained, in detail, prior to your purchase. You chose to buy the iPad knowing full well what the plans were. Now you're fine with bait and switch because you think you might save, at most, $60/year while some other people who believed the ads end up paying hundreds more.

I know of quite a few people who have filed complaints with the FTC against Apple and AT&T for this bait and switch.

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Don't just get mad. Join them:

https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/FTC_Wizard.aspx?Lang=en

I did! Thank you.

For others, here's the company info to make filling out the forms easier:

Apple
1 Infinite Loop
Cupertino, CA 95014
408-996-1010

AT&T
175 East Houston Street
Dallas, TX 78205-2255
210-821-4105.

I believe that the key points are:
  1. Apple touted and advertised the $29.99 data plan as a major inducement to buy the iPad 3g.
  2. Apple described it as a "breakthrough deal" with AT&T, leading consumers to believe that Apple had locked in the terms and price.
  3. A key, heavily advertised, feature was the ability to jump between plans or have no 3G plan as dictated by needs and budget.
  4. The "grandfathering" announced by AT&T forces customers to either keep an unlimited plan continuously active in order to not lose it.
  5. The change in the plans has significant impact on the value of the device and the manner in which it can be used.
  6. We want AT&T and Apple to honor the advertised deal, not give us money, a coupon, a refund, free service for a month, etc. (That's what I want, anyway.)
If you're one of the people cheering because your bill got cut by $5 per month, don't bother with replying to this. This is a legal issue related to FTC rules and regulations on false and deceptive advertising, not whether you like the new plans better because you don't happen to move more than 2GB per month.
 
The price was not guaranteed. In fact any reasonable person could assume the price would potentially change at some point. The price changing includes changing the amount of data accessible for a given price.

Why are people who bought the iPad so far more special than people who buy it 2 years from now, 3-4 weeks after a price change? There is absolutely zero difference to the person who bought the iPad right before the price change.

So if you agree the impact on the user is EXACTLY the same, then by saying they can't do it, you are telling AT&T that they are NEVER allowed to change the price on a month-to-month on contract service. That is an absurd position to take.

If you want to use unlimited data for the next 30 days go for it. You can still do it as of right now. When the next 30 days comes around you can continue doing so. Otherwise if you stop, and come back the price will have changed.

Again your position indicates that you don't believe AT&T has the right to change the price of no contract month-to-month service. Which is absurd.

Every post and statement you make on this issue supports the idea that you believe AT&T has no right to change the price on the 3G pricing for the iPad. Please explain why you feel justified in that position.

It also does not seem you understand what a bait and switch is. AT&T is allowed to change their pricing on their service when you are not under any contract. There is no precedent from the FTC or any legal court that supports the idea that a company is not allowed to change the pricing on their product when there is no contract. I suspect the very terms of buying the iPad 3G include information that informs you that the terms of the data plans are subject to change.
 
The price was not guaranteed. In fact any reasonable person could assume the price would potentially change at some point. The price changing includes changing the amount of data accessible for a given price.

Why are people who bought the iPad so far more special than people who buy it 2 years from now, 3-4 weeks after a price change? There is absolutely zero difference to the person who bought the iPad right before the price change.

So if you agree the impact on the user is EXACTLY the same, then by saying they can't do it, you are telling AT&T that they are NEVER allowed to change the price on a month-to-month on contract service. That is an absurd position to take.

If you want to use unlimited data for the next 30 days go for it. You can still do it as of right now. When the next 30 days comes around you can continue doing so. Otherwise if you stop, and come back the price will have changed.

Again your position indicates that you don't believe AT&T has the right to change the price of no contract month-to-month service. Which is absurd.

Every post and statement you make on this issue supports the idea that you believe AT&T has no right to change the price on the 3G pricing for the iPad. Please explain why you feel justified in that position.

Come on - you seriously think it's perfectly reasonable for AT&T to change the terms ONE MONTH after the 3G iPad went on sale?

Forever is one thing, no one should expect that. But anyone watching the Jan 26 keynote and seeing Steve Jobs tout "breakthrough AT&T deal, no contract, stop and go, unlimited" had reasonable expectations of these terms lasting at least through 2010. Now at a minimum the "no contract" aspect is gone. I'd be upset too.
 
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I'll answer you both here since you were just making the same claim: Bait and switch is okay as long as you benefit from it.

No, misleading advertisements are not okay, and Apple probably owes something - perhaps a refund or exchange - to those people who bought a 3G iPad based on the ads.

I can't help but notice that you are changing your argument. At first your problem with the new plan seemed to be with the plan itself - that people who needed 10 gigs of data in a month should be entitled to it for the same price as people who need 100 MB of data. But now you are complaining about the false advertising issue. I agree that there may be a false advertising issue for iPad 3G users. But I don't agree that the new plan itself is a problem. The new plan is an improvement.

They did pay for it! That's what they monthly $29.99 fee is for. They also paid for the expensive iPads based on the promise of the availability of the $29.99 plan on an as-needed basis. It was advertised, touted, and used as an incentive to buy the product.

Now you want Apple to screw others over by taking away an advertised feature so that you can get a better deal than was advertised.

Your argument doesn't get any better by using gigantic text. If you can't express yourself clearly using regular text, perhaps the problem isn't the text.

You're the ones being self-centered and greedy here. What's next? Cheering when your insurance company caps payouts for ovarian cancer because you don't have ovaries and it will save you money? And because you're tired of "subsidizing" the medical care of people who need care that you don't?

This is idiotic. You actually think that someone developing cancer is the same thing as someone developing a need to stream netflix. And is similarly unpreventable?

I'm going to type this slowly so that you can tell the difference between cancer and netflix. Insurance is a system in which the risk of paying for an expensive illness is spread across a large group of people. Everyone in the group pays a low premium compared to the worst case scenario, but the premiums are set at a rate so that statistically enough money is collected to pay for the unexpected illnesses/accidents/etc. But all of these adverse events that insurance pays for are involuntary and unexpected. Not like using netflix.

AT&T's unlimited plan provided a great benefit to the 2% of individuals who used large amounts of data, at the expense of the 98% of people who used less and who subsidized the large users. This is not like insurance; this is like giving everyone who has a car all the gas they need in a month for $100. Most people are going to drive around town and not use that much gas; a few people might to drive back and forth across the country several times in the same month. Which is fine, but it doesn't make any sense for the others to subsidize these trips.
 
I would add to what Allhedges said that insurance is designed to deal with large unexpected costs.

Data costs on an iPad or iPhone or not unexpected, they are entirely user controlled. There is no benefit for MOST ALL customers to have that kind of system. An insurance system actually benefits everyone because it protects them all from large unexpected expenses.

I have no risk of large unexpected data expenses, so I get no benefit from paying for your coverage.

They are not the same thing at all.
 
I can't help but notice that you are changing your argument. At first your problem with the new plan seemed to be with the plan itself - that people who needed 10 gigs of data in a month should be entitled to it for the same price as people who need 100 MB of data.

That I did not include all arguments against the change in each message I posted does not mean that I'm "changing [my] argument."

I stand by both arguments:

1. The unlimited plan was great and it's absurd to suggest that going from unlimited to 2GB for a measly $5 savings is a great deal. You don't really know what you'll need a year from now, data-wise (unless you're terminally ill). I like the unlimited plan -- which is why I bought the iPad. I don't want to have to watch the meter constantly, deciding whether it's economically rational to download some music or videos based on what time in the billing cycle it is. Peace of mind has value.

2. I stand by my arguments about false and deceptive advertising.

But now you are complaining about the false advertising issue. I agree that there may be a false advertising issue for iPad 3G users. But I don't agree that the new plan itself is a problem. The new plan is an improvement.

Because you save a measly $5 per month while AT&T rolls in dough without the cost of building out the capacity that they sold? Sorry, but I don't think that capped data plans that stifle online commerce and discourage full use of the Internet are wonderful things for our society -- even if the capped data plans make AT&T executives even richer.

But if you're so concerned about making sure that no one gets a better deal than you, are you in favor of a metered service, where AT&T totals up the exact number of bytes sent and received, multiplies that by some dollar figure, and bills your credit card? If not, why? Why should you pay less per byte than some guy who uses 70% of what you do? Why should he be subsidizing you?

Your argument doesn't get any better by using gigantic text. If you can't express yourself clearly using regular text, perhaps the problem isn't the text.

I am a superb writer, have been published in national magazines, and I express myself very clearly. I have noticed that books aimed at children use gigantic text, so it seemed appropriate in this setting.

This is idiotic. You actually think that someone developing cancer is the same thing as someone developing a need to stream netflix. And is similarly unpreventable?

Apparently the concept of analogies is lost on you. I can't believe I'm having to explain such basic concepts as analogies, but here I go: An analogy is defined as a "resemblance in some particulars between things otherwise unlike." Notice the "otherwise unlike" phrase. An analogy doesn't mean that the two things being compared are morally equivalent, equivalent in scope, or of equal weight in the scheme of things. If someone says that something is "like throwing out the baby with the bath water," they are not literally suggesting that some act is equivalent, morally and legally, to tossing a live baby into a sewage system with bathwater.

You seem to believe that anything which benefits you monetarily at the expense of some other group is good. That's been the crux of your argument all along: You use less than 2GB of data per month, so you can save $5, meaning that the new plan is an "improvement," regardless of how it affects others.

I'm going to type this slowly so that you can tell the difference between cancer and netflix.

I know the difference: You're not a netflix on society. But don't worry with typing slowly (unless that's all you can muster) because the chances that you're my equal or better intellectually is, based on statistics, *very* small.

AT&T's unlimited plan provided a great benefit to the 2% of individuals who used large amounts of data, at the expense of the 98% of people who used less and who subsidized the large users.

You're making up numbers again. AT&T has not released any numbers saying what percentage of iPad users were using, or were trending towards using, in excess of 2GB/month. They lumped Blackberry e-mail users, iPhone users, texting teenagers on Nokias, and iPad users all into one group.
 
Math is hard

I'm not surprised because I do think that tiering is the future of mobile data plans. However, AT&T isn't very good at math. A plan with 10 times less data saves you only $10. And if you go over on the 200mb plan you pay another $15 for only another 200mb while the "pro" plan pays $10 per extra gigabyte. Price per megabyte is vastly different. Therefore, it's hard to believe either plan can accurately represent AT&T's actual cost of delivering data. Not to mention the killing that they make on texting...
 
I have no risk of large unexpected data expenses, so I get no benefit from paying for your coverage.

How many bytes, exactly, will you use over the 3G network in June of 2012? Be precise, taking into account whether your broadband connection at home will be down due to problems upstream, whether you will be at home or at some location without access to WiFi, whether some spammer will send you megabytes of crap you don't want, whether you will be job hunting, whether you will receive through e-mail 35 14-megapixel photos taken by grandma all sent as uncompressed TIFFs, whether you will be data-bombed by someone who would just love to see you blow through your 2GB plan in a day, and whether some app ends up in a tight loop trying to move data to a mis-configured host, etc. The fact is that you don't know.

I know that most months I'll move way less than 2GB but there will be some where there's a chance I'll have to move a lot more. Like when I was the victim of identity theft while on the road. I moved a huge amount of data over a laptop tethered to my LG smart phone from a parking lot in order to minimize damages, shut down accounts, and file online reports.
 
How many bytes, exactly, will you use over the 3G network in June of 2012? Be precise, taking into account whether your broadband connection at home will be down due to problems upstream, whether you will be at home or at some location without access to WiFi, whether some spammer will send you megabytes of crap you don't want, whether you will be job hunting, whether you will receive through e-mail 35 14-megapixel photos taken by grandma all sent as uncompressed TIFFs, whether you will be data-bombed by someone who would just love to see you blow through your 2GB plan in a day, and whether some app ends up in a tight loop trying to move data to a mis-configured host, etc. The fact is that you don't know.

I know that most months I'll move way less than 2GB but there will be some where there's a chance I'll have to move a lot more. Like when I was the victim of identity theft while on the road. I moved a huge amount of data over a laptop tethered to my LG smart phone from a parking lot in order to minimize damages, shut down accounts, and file online reports.

Probably be somewhere close to where it has been for the last three years. Plus I push a lot of data over wifi.

You really are trying to make a case that users don't have any control over how much data they will use in a given month? Seriously...
 
Probably be somewhere close to where it has been for the last three years. Plus I push a lot of data over wifi.

Wow, you're really not progressing much, are you? I remember when I started and 1200 baud modems were the hot technology. My data usage has gone up steadily year after year as speeds increase and data-intensive services have become more and more commonplace. But what I guess you're saying is that you don't really know how much data you move.

You really are trying to make a case that users don't have any control over how much data they will use in a given month? Seriously...

Yes. I don't have control over how much data I will use in a given month over 3G. I have been stationed at Air Force bases in satellite integration areas where there is no WiFi of any kind. I've been at hotels that have a per-day charge for WiFi. I have worked in satellite manufacturing cleanrooms where there is no WiFi. I've been on my boat and had no WiFi anywhere near me. I've been out on my motorcycle and e-mailed photos back where there is no WiFi.

Sure, I could elect to go Amish and stop all access to the net in those cases, but I bought the iPad so that I could access the net at almost any time for almost any purpose and move as much data as required to do what I want without incurring additional charges.

I've filed an FTC complaint. I've directed it at AT&T for the time being.

Thanks. I directed mine at both. Apple is the company that advertised the plan as an inducement to get me to spend $870.
 
Thanks. I directed mine at both. Apple is the company that advertised the plan as an inducement to get me to spend $870.

And as of tonight Apple is STILL advertising this false plan. I've loved Apple for a lot of years and am a significant stockholder. I hope they're leaving their website the same because they plan on making this right.

Otherwise it's a huge breach of trust with us customers and shareholders.
 
And as of tonight Apple is STILL advertising this false plan. I've loved Apple for a lot of years and am a significant stockholder. I hope they're leaving their website the same because they plan on making this right.

Otherwise it's a huge breach of trust with us customers and shareholders.

They are probably leaving it the same because it is still something you can buy and use.

Again, this is normal. Companies are allowed to advertise products and services that are available. There is nothing wrong with this legally or otherwise.

the unlimited plan is even specifically designated on the site as to when it will no longer be available.

Wow, you're really not progressing much, are you? I remember when I started and 1200 baud modems were the hot technology. My data usage has gone up steadily year after year as speeds increase and data-intensive services have become more and more commonplace. But what I guess you're saying is that you don't really know how much data you move.



Yes. I don't have control over how much data I will use in a given month over 3G. I have been stationed at Air Force bases in satellite integration areas where there is no WiFi of any kind. I've been at hotels that have a per-day charge for WiFi. I have worked in satellite manufacturing cleanrooms where there is no WiFi. I've been on my boat and had no WiFi anywhere near me. I've been out on my motorcycle and e-mailed photos back where there is no WiFi.

Sure, I could elect to go Amish and stop all access to the net in those cases, but I bought the iPad so that I could access the net at almost any time for almost any purpose and move as much data as required to do what I want without incurring additional charges.

I still don't understand how you don't have a general idea of how much bandwidth you use in a month. Given the reasonable method for overages, I don't understand how ANY of this is an issue. It seems like outside of being rightfully upset about them changing the price so soon, just because it is a dumb thing, you are being entirely irrational in your expectations.

How much is your unpredictable 3G access vary from in a month? IE do one month you have no idea you use 1 gig and the next month you have no idea you use 50 gigs?

I still don't understand how you could not develop a reasonable idea of how much data you use.

Even if you didn't why don't you want to pay for the data you use? Are you just upset because they took away a plan that made data a lot cheaper for you and made it more expensive? If so that means you don't think AT&T is allowed to raise their prices for you?

Why do you feel that?
 
They are probably leaving it the same because it is still something you can buy and use.

No it's not.

When you need more data, you can add another 250MB or upgrade to the Unlimited Data plan. Because you sign up for a data plan in monthly increments, you can cancel your plan at any time and then sign up again whenever you need 3G service.

If you choose the 250MB plan, you’ll receive onscreen messages as you get close to your monthly data limit so you can decide whether to turn off 3G or upgrade to the unlimited plan. Best of all, there’s no long-term contract. So if you have a business trip or vacation approaching, just sign up for the month you’ll be traveling and cancel when you get back.

So I'm going to be able to sign up for 250MB, then, when I need more data, upgrade to the unlimited data plan, huh?

You honestly think this isn't at all misleading? Sure, theoretically I could buy 250MB today, use it all in 24 hours, then go to unlimited (I'd have a whole 26 minutes to do so if I lived in California. In NY I guess I'd have to blow through my 250MB in less than 24 hours than upgrade). And theoretically "sign up again" could refer only to the 250MB plan. Theoretically. But that's some serious parsing you're doing if that's what you are suggesting. More likely any rational person would see two plans being defined, would read the bit about canceling "your plan" and "signing up again" as referring to the plans defined in that web page. And it can't be done. You cannot sign up for the unlimited, cancel, and sign up again. The idea that "cancel your plan at any time and then sign up again" means "cancel the plans we herein discuss at length" and "sign up AGAIN for a completely different plan not even mentioned on this website" is ludicrous.
 
They are probably leaving it the same because it is still something you can buy and use.

Again, this is normal. Companies are allowed to advertise products and services that are available. There is nothing wrong with this legally or otherwise.

the unlimited plan is even specifically designated on the site as to when it will no longer be available.

Dude, you are wrong. The provisions of the plan that let you start and stop in the future ARE NOT AVAILABLE. Therefore as of tonight, they are committing false advertising by stating that it IS available.

Unless of course, you think that being able to start and stop a MONTHLY plan as much as you want over the next DAY is valid.
 
That I did not include all arguments against the change in each message I posted does not mean that I'm "changing [my] argument."

Oh, but you were. If you had simply posted that you *also* didn't like the bait and switch, that would have been one thing. But you didn't do that; instead you attacked me for purportedly supporting Apple's bait-and-switch, when your other post was entirely about the "hardship" of not being able to have unlimited data usage on an iPhone.

I stand by both arguments:

1. The unlimited plan was great and it's absurd to suggest that going from unlimited to 2GB for a measly $5 savings is a great deal. You don't really know what you'll need a year from now, data-wise (unless you're terminally ill). I like the unlimited plan -- which is why I bought the iPad. I don't want to have to watch the meter constantly, deciding whether it's economically rational to download some music or videos based on what time in the billing cycle it is. Peace of mind has value.

Since I've never gone over 320 MB in a month, I'm pretty confident I won't go over 2GB ever. And if I do, I'll pay for it. Meanwhile, I'll keep the $5.

2. I stand by my arguments about false and deceptive advertising.

Good.

Because you save a measly $5 per month while AT&T rolls in dough without the cost of building out the capacity that they sold? Sorry, but I don't think that capped data plans that stifle online commerce and discourage full use of the Internet are wonderful things for our society -- even if the capped data plans make AT&T executives even richer.

They're not "capped." You can use as much as you want. You just have to pay for it.

But if you're so concerned about making sure that no one gets a better deal than you,
And here comes the almost narcissistic self-centeredness from your other posts. I *don't* care if someone gets a better deal than me. I *do* care if I have to pay for it. I don't see why you can't pay for your own usage.

are you in favor of a metered service, where AT&T totals up the exact number of bytes sent and received, multiplies that by some dollar figure, and bills your credit card? If not, why? Why should you pay less per byte than some guy who uses 70% of what you do? Why should he be subsidizing you?

I would be thrilled with metered service, actually. If I were only charged $2.50 for using 1/10 of the 2GB that costs $25, I'd sign up for that plan in a heartbeat! But I somehow don't think that AT&T would offer it.

I am a superb writer, have been published in national magazines, and I express myself very clearly.
My compliments to your editor, then. Too bad he or she doesn't edit your posts.

I have noticed that books aimed at children use gigantic text, so it seemed appropriate in this setting.

Apparently the concept of analogies is lost on you. I can't believe I'm having to explain such basic concepts as analogies, but here I go: An analogy is defined as a "resemblance in some particulars between things otherwise unlike." Notice the "otherwise unlike" phrase. An analogy doesn't mean that the two things being compared are morally equivalent, equivalent in scope, or of equal weight in the scheme of things. If someone says that something is "like throwing out the baby with the bath water," they are not literally suggesting that some act is equivalent, morally and legally, to tossing a live baby into a sewage system with bathwater.
I know what an analogy is, but thank you for your research. I also know what a *bad* analogy is. And you made a bad analogy. A very bad analogy. A completely idiotic analogy, in fact. The voluntary act of, say, streaming Netflix, has almost nothing to do with the involuntary act of, say, contracting ovarian cancer. Even if you can draw some sort of strained connection between an insurance risk pool and AT&T's data plan.

You seem to believe that anything which benefits you monetarily at the expense of some other group is good.

Here you go again with the personal attacks because you can't make your own argument. I certainly do not believe that "anything" which benefits me monetarily at the expense of some other group is good. In fact, the only thing I've written about in my posts is my unwillingness to subsidize *your* (in the general sense) use of your 3G plan. It's fine with me if you stream Netflix all day on 3G. Just don't ask me to pay for it.

And, seriously, you should get over the entitlement mentality and recognize that you are whining precisely because the new plan no longer benefits *you* monetarily at the expense of others.

That's been the crux of your argument all along: You use less than 2GB of data per month, so you can save $5, meaning that the new plan is an "improvement," regardless of how it affects others.

Basically, yes, when those others are people who want me to pay their iPhone/iPad bills. Again, you are basically making the argument that, somehow, I'm selfish because I don't want to pay other people's phone bills, but they are somehow *not* selfish for insisting that I do.

I know the difference: You're not a netflix on society. But don't worry with typing slowly (unless that's all you can muster) because the chances that you're my equal or better intellectually is, based on statistics, *very* small.
I find it interesting how you seem to keep trying to bolster your argument with extrinsic factors, such as having being published in national magazines or being otherwise somehow demonstrably smart. I'm sure you know that the argument from authority is a logical fallacy, but you still insist on doing it. Perhaps because you recognize that your argument that other people should subsidize your phone bill is really pretty weak. But, hey, at least you're smart enough to recognize that point.

You're making up numbers again. AT&T has not released any numbers saying what percentage of iPad users were using, or were trending towards using, in excess of 2GB/month. They lumped Blackberry e-mail users, iPhone users, texting teenagers on Nokias, and iPad users all into one group.

Feel free to provide better numbers; these are AT&T's smartphone numbers. Although I'm not really sure why iPhones and iPads should be treated differently from other smartphones (maybe there is a reason); they are all using the same bandwidth. (I may be wrong, but I don't think that AT&T offers a Nokia smartphone).
 
Dude, you are wrong. The provisions of the plan that let you start and stop in the future ARE NOT AVAILABLE. Therefore as of tonight, they are committing false advertising by stating that it IS available.

Unless of course, you think that being able to start and stop a MONTHLY plan as much as you want over the next DAY is valid.

Yes they are. You start the plan tonight. It goes for 30 days. When 30 days is up you can continue it or stop it. If you choose to stop it, then you can start up again whenever you want.

How has starting and stopping been disabled.

Again you think AT&T has no right to ever change their pricing, which I don't understand. Why would you think that?


Here is a helpful tool for those of you don't know how much data you might use to plan ahead:

iPad and iPhone Data plan
Gigs Monthly Price

2 $25.00
3 $35.00
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