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I disagree. The biggest black eye is when I'm on my way home and have three failed calls on my iPhone. I say fix that, before you allow tethering. Oh, I live in Las Vegas so it isn't a small town and it isn't a town where tall buildings are a reason for dropped/failed calls.

I completely agree with you. I'm sick of dropped and failed calls. I've never seen such poor service like this....
 
Also I do think it should be free.

Here is why
We only want to temporarily transfer our data plan that we paid for onto a second device such as an iPad, via a setting or an app. The first device would not be on the data network at the same time. Until a call comes in.
One device at a time!
The network can handle an iPad with a 30 dollar plan but not an iPhone with a 30 dollar plan that has been temporarily routed into an iPad?

It's BS
The network can handle it, so well in fact that they are happy to put even more users on it in the form of iPad data plans!

It's a lie to sell individual data plans per device. Well sprint and verizon are not playing that game and there is dissention in the ranks of AT&T customers who feel the AT&T network is no longer worth keeping an iPhone.

For those that don't know. HTC EVO on Sprint 4G allows phone as a hotspot for your iPad, MacBook, iPod touch, or anything else that takes a wifi connection.

It's time for serious change for iPhone to remain relevant for a lot of people.

They will still have millions of iPhone customers but Apple could have even millions more than they have ever had by giving the people what they want with a network neutral phone.
 
Guys, I don't think this is BS. The Apple store usage took AT&T by surprise, now they are skeptical about this next one.

Tethering means a lot. Anyone can use Skype on their laptop driving down the highway and not pay a single penny for minutes. There is a lot for them to consider here. Portable Internet is very powerful.
 
I pretty much forgot about tethering as a longdue feature.

I have not forgotten.

I rant about AT&T every day to anyone who will listen because of their failure to offer tethering.

They (AT&T) offer it on other model phones!!! Just not the iPhone?!?! We get penalized for buying the premium phone.

I left Verizon because they disable features that the phones come with in order to push their own crap. Now AT&T is doing the similar thing with tethering.

Just turn it on already!
 
This is BS. They should have enabled tethering before allowing the iPad to bog down bandwidth. As if that won't strain the network for more than tethering. It seems so long as they can keep adding new devices to the network they can come up with excuses to preclude tethering like every other decent carrier in the world.
 
Guys, I don't think this is BS. The Apple store usage took AT&T by surprise, now they are skeptical about this next one.

Tethering means a lot. Anyone can use Skype on their laptop driving down the highway and not pay a single penny for minutes. There is a lot for them to consider here. Portable Internet is very powerful.

Ya right. And downloading movies on the ipad is fine right? Or streaming tv through sling or whatever it is... Before they add new toys to their network they should get things right with the first ones on it.
 
Wheres the Verizon iphone already? I'm sure they would allow tethering right off the bat..

That's really unreasonable to say. If Verizon got an iPhone they likely would be having network issues just like AT&T, you don't realize how much extra traffic it would cause. No network was ready for the iPhone in 2007.
 
I have not forgotten.

I rant about AT&T every day to anyone who will listen because of their failure to offer tethering.

They (AT&T) offer it on other model phones!!! Just not the iPhone?!?! We get penalized for buying the premium phone.

I left Verizon because they disable features that the phones come with in order to push their own crap. Now AT&T is doing the similar thing with tethering.

Just turn it on already!
Why not just jailbreak your phone and install a tethering app for free? Like I did.
 
This is BS. They should have enabled tethering before allowing the iPad to bog down bandwidth. As if that won't strain the network for more than tethering. It seems so long as they can keep adding new devices to the network they can come up with excuses to preclude tethering like every other decent carrier in the world.
I'd venture to guess that the iPad 3G data plans are the reason why AT&T isn't offering tethering on the iPhone...
 
This would greatly improve the utility of iPhone in my opinion, and make it much easier to justify both an iPhone and an iPad.
I would never expect it to be free. That's not a reasonable expectation.
Not reasonable because we haven't seen it, but perfectly reasonable when you consider that data is data-- if the pipe is there, why should AT&T care if I'm viewing the web page on my phone or on my computer? It's the same data.
 
Well, we've are still waiting after more than 3 years in most Europe for TV shows and movies (not even talking about HD), it's somewhat righteous that something ought to be waited in the US as well.

No hard feelings, tethering is pretty cool, I hope you people will get it soon, just as I hope we'll get TV shows and movies here. :(
 
Solution:

1. Get rid of the "Unlimited" data plan.
2. Introduce reasonable data plans e.g. 1GB, 2GB, 5GB, 10GB
3. Allow users to tether using the new plans.

This is how it's done here in Australia.

This way it's your data and you can choose what to do with it.

Except with optus. I pay nearly $80 a month to have 700MB of data, and they obfuscate any methods of checking your usage so that you go seriously under limit each month to avoid excess charges, and above all this, if you want to use that 700MB of data that you paid for, they charge another $10 a month for a tethering plan!

So yes, it's somewhat understandable for companies offering unlimited data on the phone to charge for tethering, but it's a pure ripoff when carriers want to double dip you for tethering to use quota that you've already paid for.

I'm most pissed off at Apple about this. POS Nokia phones that are years old can tether. It's not the phone manufacturer's problem whether the user's carrier lets them tether or not. I don't understand why Apple has to brown nose the carriers by doing this. Just enable the feature - I can tether if I jailbreak (trivial) or pop my sim into a 3G modem (even easier). Seeing as Apple probably have the most market power of any phone company in this regard, why the hell do they appease carriers by deliberately gimping features when other phone companies don't?

Help.benm.at has been broken since 3.1.2 or earlier. I hope he can work something else out...
 
If another carrier could offer it for free (i.e. bundled in with the rest of their service) it could turn out to be a huge competitive advantage.

(AT&T didn't drop their rates for unlimited voice minutes because they wanted to, they did it because they needed to match the competition.)

If there is a downside to this for consumers, it's that AT&T's chief competitor is Verizon, who is infamous for nickle-and-dimeing their customers for all manner of options and features.

It really is a shame that Sprint seems to be on their proverbial financial deathbed.

I think the odds are as close to zero as you can get, what would you guys think about Apple purchasing Sprint.
 
I would never expect it to be free. That's not a reasonable expectation.

I can't see where this is coming from.
I admit I really do not understand how telecom business works in the US - from my point of view (as a scandinavian) it seems not to work.

Over here the typical *unlimited data* 3G package costs about 5-10€ a month (depending on speed). Naturally every iPhone user has his service agreement set to unlimited data (that's the point - isn't it?). Still, tethering an iPhone is not allowed...

If i take the SIM-card out of the iPhone, put it into any other phone I can tether - it is not a limitation of the SP as such, It's how the iPhone is configured (for that SP).

And, please note, I have not yet heard of a service provider in these hoods to charge extra to allow tethering, that's just so 1900ish. Over here they even sell small boxes for home users, which function as a 3G modem, and have a few RJ-45-ports and a WiFi for you to be able to share the connection.

Personally, i start to dislike Apple policies more and more every day, especially with regards to the iPhone. Interestingly they seem to always choose the crappiest SP in every market. I'm not going to get an iPad until i can jailbreak it.
 
I hope you realize..

That if they would have added tethering to the iPhone, that would have hurt sales of the iPad 3G version. These are billion dollar corporations. If you think for 1 second that planning didn't go on between at&t and Apple for the iPad 3G launch, you are a dumbass.

Why enable tethering when they could potentially make more money off the 3G mark up, AND the $30 fee they hit you with for data. Wasn't the tethering fee rumored to be $30? heh
 
This is the biggest black eye for AT&T going. (Certainly not the only - but the biggest.)

I would never expect it to be free. That's not a reasonable expectation.

In many European countries you can tether all you like without paying any extra. I have currently unlimited data which would go all the way 21 Mbit/s if I only had the hardware to support such speeds... Regarding the costs, I pay less then 10 € a month for unlimited data plan. To make things more interesting my service provider has provided me with 4 multi sims so I can use my single plan simultaneously on four devices without paying any extra. Anyway, it seems that in States all the data and call charges are very high even though almost everything else seems to be a lot cheaper then in most European countries.
 
Like I've Said & Many others have

AT&T's POS network cannot handle the traffic, you can upgrade this and that, it will NOT work properly and the speeds will be pathetic, they want you to buy there USB stick and open another acct.
 
That if they would have added tethering to the iPhone, that would have hurt sales of the iPad 3G version. These are billion dollar corporations. If you think for 1 second that planning didn't go on between at&t and Apple for the iPad 3G launch, you are a dumbass.

Enabling tethering of the iPhone wouldn't affect sales of the iPad 3G in the slightest. For one, the iPad doesn't support an incoming tether from an iPhone.

Why enable tethering when they could potentially make more money off the 3G mark up, AND the $30 fee they hit you with for data. Wasn't the tethering fee rumored to be $30? heh

Apple don't make a cent from AT&Ts $30 data plan.

This is also irrelevant as you seem to be talking about tethering from iPhone->iPad, when everyone else is talking about iPhone->Mac or iPad->Mac tethering.

I also don't see anything to suggest that the % profit of the iPad 3G is significantly higher than the % profit of the WiFi version. They are probably very similar margins.

Apple can easily say to AT&T that tethering is a feature of the iPhone and it's not their problem to police customers' use of the network by deliberately disabling the feature. What would AT&T do, boycott Apple and the iPhone? Hardly. Didn't happen to all the generic POS phones that will tether regardless.
 
Enabling tethering of the iPhone wouldn't affect sales of the iPad 3G in the slightest. For one, the iPad doesn't support an incoming tether from an iPhone.



Apple don't make a cent from AT&Ts $30 data plan.

This is also irrelevant as you seem to be talking about tethering from iPhone->iPad, when everyone else is talking about iPhone->Mac or iPad->Mac tethering.

I also don't see anything to suggest that the % profit of the iPad 3G is significantly higher than the % profit of the WiFi version. They are probably very similar margins.

Apple can easily say to AT&T that tethering is a feature of the iPhone and it's not their problem to police customers' use of the network by deliberately disabling the feature. What would AT&T do, boycott Apple and the iPhone? Hardly. Didn't happen to all the generic POS phones that will tether regardless.

AT&T's nonsense and lack of improving there ENTIRE network is why I look to VZW.

The only reason I keep the iPhone is because of the aviation apps I have bought, however with the iPad 3G coming out now, If the same apps work even better and more become available, than I'll just go back to VZW "BUT" I still wait and see if there going to bring the iPhone on there network. If its not going to be until this fall , well I have waited this long so a few more months wont really matter.
 
They have until the new iPhone is released for me.

Either they provide a reasonable solution, iPhone goes to carriers that do, or I start shopping around for a new phone and wireless company. Had enough of the exclusive crap.

They have no problem selling additional plans to iPad users, truly unlimited ones.

If they can't handle the iPhone then Apple needs to spread it out across multiple carriers.

Sprint and Verizon have a hot feature with phone as a modem and it is luring a lot of iPad wifi users.
Ironic that people will ditch their iPhone due to their iPad.
Apple has to realize this and do something different.

iPhone on Sprint would be the biggest news of the summer.

You are right on the money. I'm so frustrated with AT&T at this point. I'm finding less of a reason to use my iPhone other than to make calls or take pictures now that I have the iPad. The HTC Evo 4G from Sprint really has me thinking about jumping ship now and being on a true 4G network that allows tethering via WiFi up to eight devices. We pretty much know all there is to know about the new iPhone coming out and suffice it to say, I'm so far not impressed. What Gizmodo showcased is something that totally underwhelmed me and this is why that Apple will probably make the new model available in early June at WWDC.
 
You are right on the money. I'm so frustrated with AT&T at this point. I'm finding less of a reason to use my iPhone other than to make calls or take pictures now that I have the iPad. The HTC Evo 4G from Sprint really has me thinking about jumping ship now and being on a true 4G network that allows tethering via WiFi up to eight devices. We pretty much know all there is to know about the new iPhone coming out and suffice it to say, I'm so far not impressed. What Gizmodo showcased is something that totally underwhelmed me and this is why that Apple will probably make the new model available in early June at WWDC.

June has always been the release of the up coming new model as far as I know and have read.
 
Almost every carrier that allows it charges for it, why should AT&T not charge for the service?

The deal of the year is Verizon giving free tethering on the Palm Pre and Pixi.

Usually it's $60 per month, but for those phones, tethering up to five devices is free.

At local restaurants where ATT signal fades away inside, we use my wife's Pixi to let our family members with iPhones get a data connection over Verizon.
 
The deal of the year is Verizon giving free tethering on the Palm Pre and Pixi.

Usually it's $60 per month, but for those phones, tethering up to five devices is free.

At local restaurants where ATT signal fades away inside, we use my wife's Pixi to let our family members with iPhones get a data connection over Verizon.

Thank you, exactly, unless your in a major metropolitan city where AT&T has a huge presence than your NOT going to get the service that they advertise and you expect.

Getting time to hold these companies accountable "To Big To Fast & All Hype"
 
I disagree. The biggest black eye is when I'm on my way home and have three failed calls on my iPhone. I say fix that, before you allow tethering. Oh, I live in Las Vegas so it isn't a small town and it isn't a town where tall buildings are a reason for dropped/failed calls.

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