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It's not independent. It's on ALL cell phones. You do have a base minute plan, but you can drop from a higher minute plan to a lesser minute plan to get unlimited mobile to mobile calling to any cell phone.

Instead of having 900 minutes and 1000 text messages, for less you can have 450 minutes and unlimited texting AND unlimited calling to ANY cell phone. It's a better value.

My source is AT&T's website and brochures.

Maybe it's a better value for you, but what about people who mainly talk to land lines? Better characterized as AT&T blatantly curtailing customer choice, and shoving their wants down the customers' throats. Expect much more of this once they have successfully eliminated one of their competitors.
 
The irony in this is AT&T ELIMINATES unlimited data plans yet spins this in a way as if the consumer asked to have their options limited more so than they already are.

This is going to result in more money for AT&T and they know it - but at the expense of creating more disdain by the customer for their brand.

I know if I get screwed somehow and lose my text messaging plan through some loophole (similar to what they're doing with data plans) then it will finalize my move to Verizon.
 
If all we can get is unlimited - iMessage loses it's purpose.

Um...really? Paying $20 for something you can do for free with iMessage? I think not. IMessage will be even more viable now.

People are getting sick of this price gouging. Just look at what ATT did with their so called "unlimited" data plans this summer....they CAPPED them! Talk about false advertising. CAPPED UNLIMITED. Its a God damn oxymoron!

So yeah, imessage will be a big hit if you ask me. People will gravitate towards such services in the face of this blatant move by ATT. People love their cell phones yes.....and they will pay for services....that has been proven....BUT....people also HATE to feel boxed in or being taken advantage of....and they will jump ship to other options if they are pushed too far.
 
No, the useless ***** government cannot improve things in the private sector, they can only ruin. Just because you want everything for nothing and get mad when you can't have it, doesn't mean you call the government to fix everything.

1. FCC has no business regulating anything that AT&T does, business wise.
2. They couldn't fix things for consumers if they tried...the best they could do is make things worse.
3. AT&T is still slime...but your solution is no solution at all.

Jesus Christ, go vote for Michelle Bachman already, you bloodsucking anti-socialism "capitalist".:rolleyes:

I made not one iota of a mention of wanting something for nothing. In fact, as was pointed out, I was plenty willing to pay $70 a month, even though I still think that's a bit of a rip for the piss-poor service you get with cell providers. What you failed to realize, in your anti-socialist political ranting, is that what I actually wanted was simplification and streamlining of the plans.

You're correct about the FCC, here's a quote from their website:
"The FCC does not regulate contractual arrangements with cellular providers, but does handle complaints about wireless service." But just because they don't regulate it now, it doesn't mean they shouldn't.

Your statement of a consumer "wanting everything for nothing" shows nothing but snobby attitude. He himself states his desire to pay $70 monthly for a "fairer" service. That is not "everything for nothing." It's perhaps the desire to pay a "fair" amount for a service, and not be overcharged for it. Who's to stop ATT from charging consumers $5.00 for accessing netflix monthly? As of 2010, FCC rulings allow mobile service providers, but not home ISPs, to do as they wish. Regulation is not the end of the world.

Glad to see someone gets it.
 
Am still grandfathered in with the $5 per month for 200 in/out TXT messages. Works great for me, I use almost all of those 200 each month for work work use; I use GoogleVoice to TXT with my sister on T-Mobile, and Textie for literally everyone else. iMessage is going to be great, since nearly everyone I work with has an iPhone (3GS at a minimum), and Textie/GV for everything else.

Once iMessage comes out, the need for at least just Textie goes away (Textie doesn't work with T-Mobile in the 'States). Then I'd use JUST iMessage + GoogleVoice for TXTing. Which would be great. Textie is awesome, but would be nice to go down to just 2 TXT clients since the US gov't can't get their isht together and do something about how their people get raped by cell co's on outrageous charges & rates.
 
It's called having contracts with the providers they use. I'm guessing having a plan that takes revenue from AT&T or V would be grounds for the providers to block those services.

There are numerous free texting apps out there. Just have to use a different number that is provided for free. Pretty easy these days for your friends to have a texting number and a phone number. I use text free.

Both AT&T and Verizon offer revenue generating service add-ons that are easily replaced with standard smart phone features or apps (look at navigation). This is the trend smartphone and smartphone OS manufactures are going. It would be interesting to know how these competing services/features are covered in the contracts between the carriers and the manufactures.

Either way, I think we can all assume the dropping of the $10.00 texting plan has nothing to do with "what the consumer wants" and more to do with profits.

side note: It would be interesting to see stats on texting plan subscription rates. I wonder if they are actually seeing a decline.
 
No, the useless ***** government cannot improve things in the private sector, they can only ruin. Just because you want everything for nothing and get mad when you can't have it, doesn't mean you call the government to fix everything.

1. FCC has no business regulating anything that AT&T does, business wise.
2. They couldn't fix things for consumers if they tried...the best they could do is make things worse.
3. AT&T is still slime...but your solution is no solution at all.

Yes, lets go back to no government regulation. And you can eat your uninspected, diseased food, have cigarettes considered 'healthy,' have 2 or 3 companies that control everything with no consumer protection, and so much more fun stuff. I suggest trying out a few other countries where the government doesn't regulate these things. See how its working for them.

This knee-jerk, unyielding love of the "private sector" which is controlling the country blows my mind. Its funniest to me, because it usually comes from people least likely to benefit from a company's profit. The lower end of everything from education to salary to position.

Here's why I look to the government; it represents the people. I can vote people in and out. I can't do that with some random company. It doesn't represent me. It represents one thing only; a profit motive. And while I think this AT&T thing is idiocy and will likely work itself out (even Apple, by far its most popular phone manufacturer for its most profitable plans, won't be too pleased with this - it shrinks the market for its products and makes the competition too attractive), thats not to say the FCC doesn't have a role in pricing matters.

Lets take this from a free market perspective, my friend. Lets also remember that companies such as this have actually actively worked to thwart competition. In a true "free market," I can call up AT&T, say "sorry guys, moving on over to a different company." However, contractual agreements (like those between AT&T and Apple) have made that impossible with our hardware, as well as the contracts of adhesion (contracts where you really don't have a choice when you sign up, nor do you actually have some say in the terms) between AT&T and us which lock us for a few years with one company. And, when we break them, we've agreed to arbitration and other alternatives that don't actually let us sue in court like you would in a normal contract (consider recent court rulings which have actually LIMITED our rights against suing companies in class action matters).

Respectfully, this is not free market. This is actually favorable treatment for companies. And they spend millions making you think that its free market.
 
AT&T still offers a "pay per message" plan. So for all you complainers, you can still migrate to iMessage without a mandatory text message plan.
 
The texting package gets you unlimited mobile to mobile calling to any wireless carrier, so it's not like it's JUST a texting package.

More bang for your buck. People who needed 900 minutes and had 200 text messages can drop to 450 minutes and get unlimited texting for less.

Not sure where you are reading this. Looks like unlimited texting is limited to texting.

It looks to me like this is just a passive way of ATT telling prospective customers to "please use Verizon as we are at capacity and cannot accomodate new clients at this time."

Dumb.Greedy.Move. but, at least for now, new customers have options and current customers are grandfathered to their existing plan.
 
Well as much as I hate charging for texting, there is quite a lot overhead. The cost of building and keeping the infrastructure. Sure you can break it down to the cost per bit, but that's really ridiculous. What if people quit making calls on AT&T and were messaging free all the time and only having a 10min/month data plan? AT&T would have to raise per minute costs on the phone calls to make up the difference in revenue. In the end, they are providing a service for a fee and as long as there is competition the free market will determine what is a fair price. There are other options. There is nothing illegal. What is illegal is price fixing. The carriers have been or still are being investigated for why multiple carriers raised their per text rate from 10cents to 20 at roughly the same time. And what should also be illegal is charging for receiving texts. Since I don't have a text plan, someone with unlimited texts could maliciously text me over and over charging me quite a bit of money before I could put a stop to it or be refunded, etc. Shouldn't have to be guilty until innocent.

ATT made 12.3 billion in net *profit* in 2010 alone. They've ended unlimited data, they're now charging people twice for a worse data plan with tethering, they're actively throttling the few unlimited users now remaining for, well, using their unlimited data in an unlimited fashion. They are actively downgrading the experience of owning an advanced device such as an iPhone, charging consumers more, and not upgrading their network, which they should be doing, simply because they rather raise their profit margin. And pay their 4 CEO's $1 billion as they have been doing for the past 4 years.

The free market equals consumers leaving their service for a better, cheaper one. There is no better, cheaper one, because all mobile service providers are doing the same thing at about the same time. With NO regulation, thus NO free market exists. The FCC made sure to leave mobile service providers be at the end of 2010 to do as they wish. You'll soon be paying extra for the privilege of streaming Netflix, internet radio, etc.
 
Oh please let's not put the blame on iMessage. Anyone ever heard of BBM? AT&T just like Verizon is another corporation hungry for more money. Greed is to blame not iMessage.
 
No, the useless ***** government cannot improve things in the private sector, they can only ruin. Just because you want everything for nothing and get mad when you can't have it, doesn't mean you call the government to fix everything.

1. FCC has no business regulating anything that AT&T does, business wise.
2. They couldn't fix things for consumers if they tried...the best they could do is make things worse.
3. AT&T is still slime...but your solution is no solution at all.

Most laws and regulations are in response to crimes being committed against a helpless population, not some plot by Them. Some laws have unintended consequences, but no laws make things worse.

Funny how tea party types are agin big guvment, but somehow think big monopolies are better.
 
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Yes, they are simply trying to push people up into $20 plans. But also AT&T knows that things like What's App, iMessaging or Twitter is going to kill texting in the next couple of years anyway.
AT&T is just a company try to get your money. That is what a for profit company is supposed to do. You can't get mad at them for just doing what they are supposed to do, which is make a profit. However, if you want to strike back, get your next iPhone on the Sprint Network. It will be a much cheaper data plan I suspect.
 
Um...really? Paying $20 for something you can do for free with iMessage? I think not. IMessage will be even more viable now.

People are getting sick of this price gouging. Just look at what ATT did with their so called "unlimited" data plans this summer....they CAPPED them! Talk about false advertising. CAPPED UNLIMITED. Its a God damn oxymoron!

So yeah, imessage will be a big hit if you ask me. People will gravitate towards such services in the face of this blatant move by ATT. People love their cell phones yes.....and they will pay for services....that has been proven....BUT....people also HATE to feel boxed in or being taken advantage of....and they will jump ship to other options if they are pushed too far.
No, because you can't solely rely on iMessage to handle all your texting. It's iOS5 devices only. Everything else still runs through your texting plan.

I was initially interested in iMessage because I could drop my unlimited plan to the $10/1000 plan. Many of my texts are to iPhone owners but not all of my texts. I still text people with other phones so need some texting plan to cover them. I know 1000/month would cover that. But now, I'm not going to have that option unless I switch now so I can be grandfathered in. And I don't want to do that cause I'll definitely go over 1000/month until iOS5 comes out. This is really a worst case scenario for me.
 
Need to consider if I should downgrade my current unlimited texting plan to the $10/1000 and suck up the additional cost between now and whenever iOS5 rolls out because it will most likely be cheaper in the long run.
 
AT&T still offers a "pay per message" plan. So for all you complainers, you can still migrate to iMessage without a mandatory text message plan.


And what, just tell friends and family w/o iDevices to drop off the face of the earth? iMessage is a silly useless gimmick.
 
"The vast majority of our messaging customers prefer unlimited plans"

Actually, I'd be willing to bet that most of your customers think charging a text message fee in addition to a data plan is complete BULLS--T, but that wasn't a question on the survey, was it?
 
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