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I couldn't agree more

I switched from Verizon to ATT just to get the iPhone. Even though I like the iPhone, I am really upset at myself that I need to use such a bad network. Not only my voice calls get dropped (on iPhone and regular flip phones) but the 3G network sux big time! I can't wait to go back to Verizon and I hope they will have the iPHone soon!!!!
 
Put up or shut up!

I must be getting old because I remember the days when competitive advertising was a good thing. America has grown into a country of babies and whiners. Wah, wah, wah AT&T. Either put up or shut up. Verizon's map is clearly comparing your 3G services to theirs. Either you do have 3G coverage in those blank areas or you don't. Saying that we have 2.5G which is almost the same thing is pure bullsh*t!

Instead of paying lawyers expensive retainers to come up with this bogus lawsuit against Verizon, perhaps you should invest that money in expanding your 3G Network coverage.


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I don't get it.

Maybe the average AT&T / Verizon ad watcher is stupid. To me it is clear that Verizon is talking about 3G coverage only. Period.

Is AT&T implying that their potential customers are inept, illiterate, or both?

s.
 
I wonder if I can sue AT$T for breach of contract? When I started with them I had 3 bars of service in my home, my place of business. Now, a year and a half later, I'm at 1/0 bars. Whatcha think? :eek:

Sounds like you dropped your phone quite a few times?

Let's just put 20Million iPhones on Verizon network and see how it will hold up.

Yup. iPhone is 2.5% of cell phones, and consumes 50% of mobile traffic.

God I hate At&t, please please please bring the iPhone to verizon. :)

Why there STILL WON'T be iPhone on verizon
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/10/30/why-apples-iphone-is-still-not-coming-to-verizon/
 
I wonder if I can sue AT$T for breach of contract? When I started with them I had 3 bars of service in my home, my place of business. Now, a year and a half later, I'm at 1/0 bars. Whatcha think? :eek:

No, but if you complain, they'll let you out of the contract with no early termination fee.
 
Coverage aside Verizon is playing dirty. . .

Verizon is walking a very fine line and I believe they may have crossed that line with their coverage map / ad campaign.

Verizon can easily say it has the best 3g coverage and even that it's xx% better than the closest competition but this can and really should be done without blatantly criticizing your competition.

Ensuring that we have some civility in advertising ensures that we don't get into dog and cat fights that ultimately detract from the message we really want to convey.

Do you want consumers to buy your product because it is superior or because it's not as bad as your competition? Both ultimately mean the same thing, but one has a negative connotation that will leave a potentially "bad-tase" in the mouth of your existing and potential customers.

Bottom line, I don't see Mercedes making TV ads saying how inferior Toyota or KIA are to their cars...

You better believe if they did there would be lawsuits flying from all angles.

AF
 
I don't get it.

Maybe the average AT&T / Verizon ad watcher is stupid. To me it is clear that Verizon is talking about 3G coverage only. Period.

Is AT&T implying that their potential customers are inept, illiterate, or both?

s.

Yes

And accordng to apple iphone users ar easily confused by Google apps
 
I don't see anything misleading with the commercial. It clearly says they are comparing 3G coverage. ATT = whiners.
 
I must be getting old because I remember the days when competitive advertising was a good thing. America has grown into a country of babies and whiners. Wah, wah, wah AT&T. Either put up or shut up. Verizon's map is clearly comparing your 3G services to theirs. Either you do have 3G coverage in those blank areas or you don't. Saying that we have 2.5G which is almost the same thing is pure bullsh*t!

Instead of paying lawyers expensive retainers to come up with this bogus lawsuit against Verizon, perhaps you should invest that money in expanding your 3G Network coverage.


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THANK YOU... who is AT&T trying to kid with that 2.5G statement? Hell, even their rebuttal is half-assed comparing to Verizon, I mean how can you argue that it's wrong to post pure facts about 3G coverage, and who said anything about 2.5G?! Verizon compared oranges(3G) to oranges(3G), and now AT&T is fighting back by comparing apples(3G) to oranges(2.5G). Plus, even if they added their measly 2.5G coverage to that map, it would STILL PALE in comparison to all of Verizon's data coverage, period.

Spend the damn money on the network, you self-rightous idiots at AT&T that think you can just ride the iPhone money train forever, regardless of service. They will, and they are, losing people to Verizon and their Blackberries... give it enough time and a truly killer phone at Verizon, or better yet, create a Verizon specific iPhone in the near future and it'll be GAME OVER for AT&T, seriously. No one is at AT&T for anything except A) stuck in a contract, or B) wants an iPhone. I fall into category B

UPGRADE the network or FAIL...epic fail even.
 
I hate how they regulate the useage of pesticides like DDT so I don't get sick from eating vegetables.
I hate how they regulate drug trials so Tylenol doesn't kill me.
Look, I disagree with the point you're making anyway, but for the love of Bob, at least try to have arguments that make some sense and aren't completely wrong on their face.

1. Pesticides are next to completely unregulated. There are some 3500 in use, of which about 50 have been tested. Wash your veggies before you eat them.

2. DDT is not harmful to humans except in very large quantities. Back in the 50's, some scientist ate teaspoonfuls of the stuff at a time to demonstrate this.

3. DDT was banned globally because it led to bird of prey eggshell thinning in the western hemisphere, especially in Texas and California. Meanwhile, 30+ million people in Africa have died of malaria since then, a disease DDT controlled exceptionally well. If we didn't know better, we'd accuse Rachel Carson of inciting genocide.

4. Tylenol will kill you in significantly lower dosages than DDT. If you powdered up some extra strength Tylenol pills and ate them like the aforementioned scientist did, you will destroy your liver in about 6 hours, resulting in the need for a liver transplant within days, or you die.

5. Tylenol was never put through FDA-approved clinical drug trials because it predates the imposition of those standards and was grandfathered in.

If you really think letting buisnesses have their way is the better option, I suggest you do some research on what life was like during the industrial revolution and turn of the century America. Sweatshop labor,
Banned after lobbying by mechanized businesses which still couldn't compete.
child labor,
Not banned out of any altruism, but rather at union insistence, to raise wages.
no minimum wage,
Which has resulted in mass unemployment rather than wage cuts during recessions.
no breaks, 6 day work week, 10+ hours a day,
All of which were brought on after lobbying by big business - the workers preferred the longer hours because it meant increased pay. Big business wanted to cut payroll expenses and, by constricting the supply of goods that could be made in a 40 hour week, raise prices
no insurance,
Untrue, except for health insurance, which wasn't necessary at the time because health care costs were so low. It barely existed until the wage (but not benefit) controls of WWII.
no health care, no middle class.
Outright lies. Not necessarily yours, of course, I'm sure you're just parroting what you've been taught, utterly wrong as it is.
The rich did really well, the rest? Not so much.
Such is true in every era, but most so when government has more power to steal from the little guy.
 
AT&T should solve their problem instead of filing a suit. Also note that the rest of the world suffers from the problem due to the agreement between Apple and AT&T that prevents full use of 3g cellular in more developed countries than the US (with respect to AT&T at least).
 
Ah, MacRumors' official Devil's Advocate again. :rolleyes:

Surely you realize that multi-band phones are the exception and not the rule? (Though you wouldn't admit it.)

But I assume your favorite phone (whatever it may be, certainly not one with an Apple logo on it) is a fully-democratized multi-band phone?

Yup, the whiner of Silicon Valley.

Apple's owners should be ****ing livid if the idea that upsetting the Lord God Jobs has anything to do with anything.

Your whining = non sense.

Non surprising.
 
Screw cellular networks anyway... junky old WWII technologies (CDMA)
I'll wait for wimax thank you!
 
I think Verizon should ignore AT&T and triple the number
of these commercials on television. By the time AT&T gets
a court injunction, the public will already be convinced by Verizon
that AT&T has terrible coverage. :)
 
Come on I'm sure your capable of something more witty. :D

I was going for an extended/modified Haiku.

A more traditional one:

Whiner of Valley

Your whining is such non sense

How not surprising.

I think that is exactly the point, the ATT is NOT ready for the phone usage, they need to build their network, think of a jammed packed highway, can't blame the drivers for the traffic, right?

One can only hope that with the $18B AT&T is investing this year to build their network, dispatch the 850 MHz spectrum, and prep 4G LTE for 2011,

things will start to improve some. Having Verizon in the equation would have certainly taken the load off of them, considerably - too bad for that.
 
I think Verizon should ignore AT&T and triple the number
of these commercials on television. By the time AT&T gets
a court injunction, the public will already be convinced by Verizon
that AT&T has terrible coverage. :)

yea and then maybe they'll get the ball rolling on the MASSIVE network upgrades they need to do. I'm laughing pretty hard at U-Verse too, in comparison to Verizon FiOS...AT&T fails, again. AT&T needed to get their cellular network upgraded before they started worrying about "advanced TV and internet."
 
I'm not Big Fan of AT&T but...

How in earth is this misleading? :confused:

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I'm no big fan of AT&T but let's face it. That ad is false advertising and AT&T has a very good case, especially on the original ad before the disclaimers were added.

I believe I read somewhere that from a technical standpoint 2.5G technically qualifies as a 3G standard. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.
If that's the case than AT&T's EDGE coverage which is not shown at all in that map gives AT&T an even better case.

Add to that the fact that AT&T's 3G coverage areas are faster than Verizon's 3G areas and the ad becomes even more misleading. The fact that they sued so quickly and requested an injunction I think supports the fact that AT&T has a very good case, but we shall see.

And btw, just to be fair, I'm not a big fan of AT&T and believe they really dropped the ball in handling the increased iPhone traffic and increased need for 3G, but that ad is still just wrong and it also ridicules Apple advertising too unfairly and Apple advertising of the iPhone never directly criticizes Verizon. It only highlights the iPhone's applications and features.

I realize lots of people, including me would like to see the iPhone on various carriers, including Verizon, but face it, that ad is just plain false advertising.
 
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I'm no big fan of AT&T but let's face it. That ad is false advertising and AT&T has a very good case, especially on the original ad before the disclaimers were added.

I believe I read somewhere that from a technical standpoint 2.5G technically qualifies as a 3G standard. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.
If that's the case than AT&T's EDGE coverage which is not shown at all in that map gives AT&T an even better case.

Add to that the fact that AT&T's 3G coverage areas are faster than Verizon's 3G areas and the ad becomes even more misleading. The fact that they sued so quickly and requested an injunction I think supports the fact that AT&T has a very good case, but we shall see.

And btw, just to be fair, I'm not a big fan of AT&T and believe they really dropped the ball in handling the increased iPhone traffic and increased need for 3G, but that ad is still just wrong and it also ridicules Apple advertising too unfairly and Apple advertising of the iPhone never directly criticizes Verizon. It only highlights the iPhone's applications and features.

I realize lots of people, including me would like to see the iPhone on various carriers, including Verizon, but face it, that ad is just plain false advertising.
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I suppose I was being a bit self centered posting that really as I know the differences between 2g, and 3g connections.

I understand the point that some (maybe many?) people out there will think of the ATT map means complete data and voice coverage which does look bad but on the flipside, selling such an internet centric device such as the iPhone on a network with poor 3g coverage is also bad.

It'll be interesting to see where this all winds up in the end. :)
 
I'm no big fan of AT&T but let's face it. That ad is false advertising and AT&T has a very good case, especially on the original ad before the disclaimers were added.

I believe I read somewhere that from a technical standpoint 2.5G technically qualifies as a 3G standard. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.
If that's the case than AT&T's EDGE coverage which is not shown at all in that map gives AT&T an even better case.

Add to that the fact that AT&T's 3G coverage areas are faster than Verizon's 3G areas and the ad becomes even more misleading. The fact that they sued so quickly and requested an injunction I think supports the fact that AT&T has a very good case, but we shall see.

And btw, just to be fair, I'm not a big fan of AT&T and believe they really dropped the ball in handling the increased iPhone traffic and increased need for 3G, but that ad is still just wrong and it also ridicules Apple advertising too unfairly and Apple advertising of the iPhone never directly criticizes Verizon. It only highlights the iPhone's applications and features.

I realize lots of people, including me would like to see the iPhone on various carriers, including Verizon, but face it, that ad is just plain false advertising.

If ATT wants to technically call 2.5G, 3G because it can do almost everything the 3G can except for speed then internet providers could technically call dial up broadband because it can do near everything broadband can do but slower.

ATT claims to have the fastest 3G network, fine, but since ATT appears to want to include its 2.5G as part of their network would that decrease the overall "fastest network" or is that fastest 3G claim taken from one location.
My ATT 3G speeds are not really knock your socks off.

When I see that 3G icon disappear I know its time to break out the lunch because it going to be a while.
 
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