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Think anything will come of this? I'm thinking no, but can't hurt to try.
http://www.computerworld.com/action...leBasic&articleId=9134267&intsrc=news_ts_head
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What a bunch of whiners! Maybe AT&T should just raise the prices from $199 & 299 to $399 and $499 and allow everyone to upgrade at any time.

Why do apple people think they are so special that they can break a contract they signed to get new customer pricing? I don't get it!
 
I think some of you need to read up on what a contract is.

And I think AT&T better read up on Customer Service. When they lose their exclusive contract with Apple, they'll wish they had done a better job keeping customers happy. Contracts do end. :)
 
Serusly

this is getting old you guys signed a ***** contract that is for two years not to get a new Iphone every time a new model comes out. read before you sign either wait till your up for renew or anti up the money already. unlock your phone sell it you will get most if not all the money to buy it. but please please no more post AT&T won't let me have shiny new phone. :rolleyes:
 
From the article above:

If AT&T were his client, Lawrence said, he would urge the company to immediately own up to its error and tell all iPhone owners that they can upgrade to the iPhone 3G S as soon as it's available, for $199 or $299.

"And they should say they will do that for every iPhone that Apple launches, because they want the iPhone users to be part of the AT&T family for life," said Lawrence. "That would be the type of statement that would be leading -- outside the industry norm -- and would let iPhone users know they can make a commitment to AT&T because AT&T has made a commitment to them."

So AT&T should just take a $200 loss on every iPhone they sell, forever??? :confused: And what happens when other cell phones users start demanding early upgrades as well?
 
And I think AT&T better read up on Customer Service. When they lose their exclusive contract with Apple, they'll wish they had done a better job keeping customers happy. Contracts do end. :)

Okay, so everyone jumps ship to get the iPhone on Verizon, and when a year into your Verizon iPhone contract, Verizon does the same thing, where do you all go?

What the hell makes iPhone users so special that they should be exempt from their contract? Why are you any different than BlackBerry, Motorola, HTC or Nokia phone owners?
 
This just like going to Apple I just bought my Macbook 3 months ago.. but they have new ones I want you to let me get a new one much cheaper bc I bought one awhile ago.. It seems to be most of the whiners seem to complain about the iPhone (Its data plan too expensive.. It cost to much..) Get the H*** over it or dont buy.. I have too pay $400 for my phone and $30 bucks each month(Well my parents pay the bill) but I aint complaining I sold my iphone 3G for $350 and work a bit this summer to get the money.. Just buy it at what you can get it for or dont buy.. BUT STOP COMPLAINING WE FEEL NO PITY FOR YOU, YOU SIGNED A DARN CONTRACT AND ITS TOUGH LUCK AND WE ARE TIRED OF HEARING YOU WHINING AND MOANING.. IF YOU HAVE AN IPHONE YOU WILL SEE ITS WORTH THE MONEY

AND YOU CANT BLAME ATT OR APPLE FOR IT.. EVERY OTHER CARRIER IS THE SAME FREAKING WAY AND IF YOU DONT LIKE IT THERES A DARN GO PHONE.. ITS NOT ATT CUSTOMER SERVICE.. WHEN VERIZON OR TMOBILE GET THE IPHONE(IF THEY EVER DO) TRY AND PULL THIS BS WITH THEM AND THEY WILL JUST LAUGH AT YOU TOO JUST AS AT ATT AND APPLE DO
 
LOL

Oh no! the FACEBOOK group might do something!

Thanks for the laugh.
 
Maybe AT&T should just sell the phone full price for everyone, $599 and $699.
 
It's bad enough that ATT has what? Almost a half billion dollars tied up in iPhone 3G subsidy loans? Earnings diluted badly for a year and a half. Having to spend billions updating their network to accommodate the iPhone users.

And now a bunch of them want more loans for nothing?

With customers like that, Verizon must be happy they turned Apple down!

I agree that the notion AT&T is required to subsidize the iPhone 3G S for current subscribers is laughable.

However, AT&T is not upgrading its network "to accommodate the iPhone users". Upgrades underway will benefit all users and will position AT&T for a transition to LTE.

Furthermore, the iPhone customer is the premier wireless subscriber. AT&T, despite having incurred dilution, enjoys low churn and roughly 40% margins from iPhone subscribers. iPhone ARPU is significantly higher than average subscriber ARPU. In fact, AT&T internally refers to the iPhone customer as the "$100 customer". AT&T could not be more pleased with its partnership with Apple.

Rather than express anger towards AT&Ts unwillingness to subsidize iPhone 3G S, iPhone owners should express anger with AT&Ts inability to deliver MMS capability. AT&Ts massive order of Juniper routers, some of which would be used towards creating MMS gateways, was fulfilled nearly 2 months ago. AT&T network engineering has yet again failed to deliver.
 
I agree that the notion AT&T is required to subsidize the iPhone 3G S for current subscribers is laughable.

However, AT&T is not upgrading its network "to accommodate the iPhone users". Upgrades underway will benefit all users and will position AT&T for a transition to LTE.

Furthermore, the iPhone customer is the premier wireless subscriber. AT&T, despite having incurred dilution, enjoys low churn and roughly 40% margins from iPhone subscribers. iPhone ARPU is significantly higher than average subscriber ARPU. In fact, AT&T internally refers to the iPhone customer as the "$100 customer". AT&T could not be more pleased than what has come from its partnership with Apple.

Rather than express anger towards AT&Ts unwillingness to subsidize iPhone 3G S, iPhone owners should express anger with AT&Ts inability to deliver MMS capability. AT&Ts order of Juniper routers, some of which would be used towards creating MMS gateways, had been fulfilled nearly 2 months ago. AT&T network engineering has yet again failed to deliver.

YES. They would gain much more respect and good PR by being proactive in getting their networks to 7.2mbps and standard features like MMS up and running for everyone. It's pretty embarrassing, as was shown at WWDC.
 
AT&T is not upgrading its network "to accommodate the iPhone users".
Actually it is. iPhones are putting more strain on the network. Nobody is forcing you to use AT&T. Just so happens that if you want the iPhone you have to use it.
 
I agree that customers should be complaining about service, lack of MMS, and Tethering.

AT&T should go out of there way to make iPhone users (and all of their customers) happy.

But this does not entail subsidizing two phones for over $400 in one year.

It sucks because this whining takes away the heat from the things At&t should change.
 
Why doesn't AT&T try doing something constructive for once in its history? What demons possessed AT&T to displace meaningful discussion of an issue's merit or demerit with hunch and emotion? And which of the seven deadly sins—pride, envy, anger, sadness, avarice, gluttony, and lust—does it not commit on a daily basis? This letter is not the place to explore the answers to those questions. Its purpose is instead to increase awareness and understanding of our similarities and differences. Let's review the errors in AT&T's statements in order. First, we are nearing a synthesis of communism and cynicism into an otiose Dadaism that will crush any semblance of opposition to AT&T's illaudable equivocations.

I don't want this to sound like sour grapes, but AT&T has written more than its fair share of lengthy, over-worded, pseudo-intellectual tripe. In all such instances it conveniently overlooks the fact that wherever you look, you'll see it enforcing intolerance in the name of tolerance. You'll see it suppressing freedom in the name of freedom. And you'll see it crushing diversity of opinion in the name of diversity.

If AT&T's projects get any more noxious, I expect they'll grow legs and attack me in my sleep. Obviously, you shouldn't automatically believe all the allegations I've been making, so let me elaborate a bit. If you're interested in the finagling, double-dealing, chicanery, cheating, cajolery, cunning, rascality, and abject villainy by which AT&T may parlay personal and political conspiracy theories into a multimillion-dollar financial empire in a lustrum or two, then you'll want to consider the following very carefully. You'll especially want to consider that AT&T's habitués are too lazy to eschew soporific, daft parasitism. They just want to sit back, fasten their mouths on the public teats, and casually forget that if AT&T opened its eyes, it'd realize that in the genesis of its calumnies, self-deceiving begat repulsive, which begat raucous, which begat oppressive. For one thing, AT&T's toadies are in league with oleaginous hellions who insult my intelligence. But more importantly, in the Old Testament, the Book of Kings relates how the priests of Baal were slain for deceiving the people. I'm not suggesting that there be any contemporary parallel involving AT&T, but if I didn't think AT&T would undermine the intellectual purpose of higher education, I wouldn't say that it maintains that either you and I are objects for it to use then casually throw away and forget like old newsprint that's performed its duty catching bird droppings or that horny fogeys are all inherently good, sensitive, creative, and inoffensive. AT&T denies any other possibility.

I'll give you an example of this, based on my own experience. As you know, there are lots of weepy, wimpy flower children out there who are always whining that I'm being too harsh in my criticisms of AT&T. I wish such people would wake up and realize that AT&T is extremely wily. In fact, my handy-dandy Wily-O-Meter confirms that AT&T looks primarily at a person's superficial qualities such as physiognomy and mannerisms. I, in contrast, consider how likely a person is to invite all the people who have been harmed by AT&T to continue to express and assert their concerns in a constructive and productive fashion. That's what's important to me. Either way, it has for a long time been arguing that it has the linguistic prowess to produce a masterwork of meritorious literature. Had it instead been arguing that I hate its constant misuse of historical analogies, I might cede it its point. As it stands, the leap of faith required to bridge the logical gap in AT&T's arguments is simply too terrifying for me to contemplate. What I do often contemplate, however, is how there are many roads leading to the defeat of its plans to reinforce the concept of collective guilt that is the root of all prejudice. I profess that all of these roads must eventually pass through the same set of gates: the ability to keep the faith.

Let us postulate that we live in impolitic times. In that case, AT&T's like the man behind the curtain in the Wizard of Oz. Pull back the curtain of extremism and you'll see a sententious, uppity potlicker hiding behind it, furiously pulling the levers of paternalism in a loquacious attempt to dig a grave in which to bury liberty and freedom. That sort of discovery should make any sane person realize that AT&T's coadjutors tend to fall into the mistaken belief that AT&T's way of life is correct and everyone else's isn't, mainly because they live inside an AT&T-generated illusion-world and talk only with each other.

Others have stated it much more eloquently than I, but AT&T wants to inject even more fear and divisiveness into political campaigns. Such intolerance is felt by all people, from every background. AT&T will probably respond to this letter just like it responds to all criticism. It will put me down as "self-absorbed" or "insidious". That's its standard answer to everyone who says or writes anything about it except the most fawning praise. It is easy for the public at large to dismiss what I call unholy social outcasts as irrational proponents of absenteeism.

Once one begins thinking about free speech, about recalcitrant paranoiacs who use ostracism and public opinion to prevent the airing of views contrary to their own hectoring beliefs, one realizes that AT&T has been trying for quite some time to convince us that we can stop interventionism merely by permitting government officials entrée into private homes to search for impudent, wrongheaded prigs. I, not being one of the many choleric, predatory boeotians of this world, suggest it take this rotting ordure and dump it where it and its fellow homophobic poseurs congregate. At least then we could turn random, senseless violence into meaningful action without having to worry that it will intensify or perpetuate opportunism. By this, I mean that AT&T is planning to cheat on taxes. This does not bode well for the future because it has spent untold hours trying to retain an institution which, twist and turn as you like, is and remains a disgrace to humanity. During that time, did it ever once occur to it that I was personally offended—and I don't easily offend—by the value it places on making me adopt a new worldview? To ask that question another way, what accounts for its prodigious criminality and dissipation? I could give you the answer now but it would be more productive for me first to inform you that if you think that human beings should be appraised by the number of things and the amount of money they possess instead of by their internal value and achievements, then think again.

Some chthonic tightwads have raised objections to my jokes but their objections are all politically motivated. All of the bad things that are currently going on are a symptom of AT&T's haughty, peevish activities. They are not a cause; they are an effect. Many people think of AT&T's merciless anecdotes as a joke, as something only half-serious. In fact, they're deadly serious. They're the tool by which myopic, passive-aggressive shysters (also known as AT&T's buddies) will rebrand local churches as faith-based emporia teeming with impulse-buy items any day now. A second all-too-serious item is that AT&T has no idea what it's doing. The logical consequences of that are clear: If I withheld my feelings on this matter, I'd be no less improvident than AT&T.

AT&T's comments are based on hate. Hate, plagiarism, and an intolerance of another viewpoint, another way of life. Why does AT&T want to compromise the things that define us, including integrity, justice, love, and sharing? Because it seems to be expressing an irrational preference for remaining in some previous century while the rest of the world hurtles forward. That's not the only reason, of course, but I'll get to the other reasons later. Yet there's more to it than that. It's good that you're reading this letter. It's good that you're listening to what I'm saying. But reading and listening aren't enough. You must also be willing to help me put inexorable pressure on AT&T to be a bit more careful about what it says and does.

Does AT&T really know anything about the exegeses it claims to support? No, it doesn't. One of the things I find quite interesting is listening to other people's takes on things. For instance, I recently overheard some folks remark that I wish I didn't have to be the one to break the news that being forced to listen to AT&T yap on and on about larrikinism is about as desirable as being flayed alive and rolled in salt. Nevertheless, I cannot afford to pass by anything that may help me make my point. So let me just state that AT&T insists that despotism and simplism are identical concepts. That lie is a transparent and strained effort to keep us from noticing that I see how important its reckless sentiments are to its agents provocateurs and I laugh. I laugh because it's a pretty good liar most of the time. However, AT&T tells so many lies, it's bound to trip itself up someday. As a parting thought, remember that of particular interest to me is the way that AT&T continuously denies that it is indubitably an adept at turning the trickle of heathenism into a tidal wave.




What? It makes as much sense as everyone else's arguments against AT&T :p
 
I would love to save $200 as much as the next person but we all signed a contract with AT&T and quite frankly they don't owe me or anyone jack. If you don't want to pay the early upgrade price, DON'T BUY THE PHONE. It's simple as that.

AGREED!!! Why don't people get this? Why do people think they are entitled a new iPhone every year at the subsidized price?
 
I have read a number of posts on this subject and it seems that almost nobody has to wait 2 years for a new phone. Some only have to wait 1 year for 1 reason or another. To here some people talk you would think that no matter when you purchased your current phone you should be able to get the new phone at the full discounted price. That just does not make any since. When you got your current phone you got a 50% discount with the idea of paying that back with monthly usage fees. However, as with pro-rated termination fees I think you should get credit based on how long you have your previous phone and also how much you pay per month. And I believe they take that into consideration on when you can upgrade with the full discount.
 
:D That's serious business.
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Actually it is. iPhones are putting more strain on the network. Nobody is forcing you to use AT&T. Just so happens that if you want the iPhone you have to use it.

If iPhone subscribers are putting too much strain on AT&Ts network, it should cease selling the device. The opportunity however is lucrative. iPhone subscribers pay significantly more than their AT&T peers. Revenue differential between non-iPhone and iPhone subscribers is enough to justify HSPA Rev 7/8 and backhaul deployment.

Every subscriber benefits from network enhancements. Projecting into the future, additional smartphones, such as Palm EOS, will bring additional "strain" to AT&Ts network.

All backhaul upgrades AT&T plans to implement will benefit LTE, whether or not iPhone will exist on AT&T. Metro ethernet and fiber will be deployed to cell sites beginning sometime later this year.
 
I would love to save $200 as much as the next person but we all signed a contract with AT&T and quite frankly they don't owe me or anyone jack. If you don't want to pay the early upgrade price, DON'T BUY THE PHONE. It's simple as that.

AGREED 100%--No one is forcing them to buy the phone.. they just want the phone and if they want it they have to agree to the price or DONT BUY.. I mean I want a 3.06 MacBook pro just I dont want to pay $2,700 so I dont buy not complain.. The original iPhones paid 400 as a new customer. I personally think its worth the extra $75 I will have to pay after I sold my iPhone..
 
Quit Ur Bitchin'

Folks, you have to understand this:

1. Every time a carrier sells you a phone with a contract money is being lost. on the equipment.

2. Thats why two year contracts are signed, to make money back on the customer.

3. The reason original iPhone users were able to upgrade to the 3G iPhone at such an attractive price is because it wasn't subsidized. meaning that it wasn't discounted.

4. So if AT&T gave you an iPHone for 199 more money would still e lost.
Quit it
 
I might be wrong....but I don't think anyone has sympathized yet with the claims made in the OP's article.

Because they have no argument.
 
"You were kind enough to give me one cheap phone and that entitles me to another!! Whenever I want!! Who cares if I signed this 'contract' thing!?"

lololol god some people are just utterly retarded beyond hope. If the guy interviewed in that article ran a business it'd be bankrupt on the first day when he gave away all his merchandise to "make his customers a part of the family."

There's this crazy thing about businesses these days: THEY ACTUALLY TRY TO MAKE MONEY!!

*GASP* Oh the horror!!
 
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