AT&T Installing 4G LTE Network Equipment in Apple Retail Stores?

[Rocketman]

Here's the other interesting Engadget link:

http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/21/confirmed-atandt-wants-to-use-t-mobiles-aws-spectrum-for-lte-bui/

Rocketman

 

[ski1ski1]

Lol... ok At this point I'd like to challenge you to simply read your own posts.

Thank you.

Boy, you are confused!!!

 

[Ajones330]

Ever notice how when you go into an Att or Apple store your signal strength increases, well like everyone else is thinking there is no need to put a LTE node in an Apple store without an LTE capable device. Now iPhone seems to be the most realistic device to think of but we don't know what other media devices Apple has in their r&d department. With that being said I'm hoping for LTE iPhone. To everyone thats saying LTE is not widespread enough, it is about to rollout on ATT with 15 cities by the end of 2011. Verizon seems to have LTE in many markets as well. Probably had to find a chip that did not consume as much power. I'm sure they do not tell the public when they have a breakthrough with chipsets. They have kept everything secret thus far so this could very well be an LTE iPhone...

 

[milan03]

Yes, you are so correct. Verizon does not plan to ever throttle the top 5% of data users. The new wording online is just a big joke.

So I guess my challenge for you turned out to be pretty hard one...

Anyway, my whole point is to make you realize that making blank statements can be a big slap at your face, therefore you shouldn't push the issue unless you can back it up with solid data.

 

[knewsom]

Someone please tell me WTF good 4G with its 80Mbps is going to be on an iPhone when I can't even get 1Mbps (usually more like .2) with ATT on 3G, when I should be getting between 4 and 7Mbps. The problem isn't the pipe between my phone and their cell towers. The problem is the pipe between their cell towers and teh innernetz.

 

[ski1ski1]

So I guess my challenge for you turned out to be pretty hard one...

Anyway, my whole point is to make you realize that making blank statements can be a big slap at your face, therefore you shouldn't push the issue unless you can back it up with solid data.

Why don't you prove to us that Verizon has never throttled any users and they have no plans to throttle users. And I already backed up my statement with solid data. It came directly from Verizon. You are the one that is making blanket statements without no proof.

 

[moel]

"Whats that...some Russian Maniac has installed an LTE base station in an Apple Store...I'm on my way to disarm it now"

 

[billnye97]

It does make some sense for Apple to have the iPhone 5 with LTE. With their big push to the cloud and being able to access all of your movies, music, apps, and plus having OTA updates the speed of it would come in handy.

 

[milan03]

Why don't you prove to us that Verizon has never throttled any users and they have no plans to throttle users. And I already backed up my statement with solid data. It came directly from Verizon. You are the one that is making blanket statements without no proof.

I'm not sure what's so hard about reading your own posts. If finding the answers presents a challenge to you, then you're suffering with something much more serious than confusion.

 

[canucksfan88]

i have always said one of two things.

either apple will not include the standard stock 4G antenna due to it draining the battery

or

they have secretly worked together with company X, to manufacture a 4G antenna capable of sustaining battery life and up to Apple standards.

 

[ski1ski1]

I'm not sure what's so hard about reading your own posts. If finding the answers presents a challenge to you, then you're suffering with something much more serious than confusion.

I presented you with a challenge that you fail to address. Why can't you address it? I guess you are too busy trying to prove your point without any backing data.

 

[milan03]

i have always said one of two things.

either apple will not include the standard stock 4G antenna due to it draining the battery

or

they have secretly worked together with company X, to manufacture a 4G antenna capable of sustaining battery life and up to Apple standards.

It's actually the size of LTE chipsets (45nm technology) that's the main battery drain. Antenna, filters and amps are a non-issue. Currently Qualcomm is the company that has LTE chipsets that are all-in-one and backwards compatible with CDMA/GSM bands, and even though their current chips are 45nm, they are expected to start shipping 28nm, less power hungry 2nd gen chipsets Q3 2011. I really hope that Apple has already been testing these new ones

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I presented you with a challenge that you fail to address. Why can't you address it? I guess you are too busy trying to prove you point without any backing data.

Cool.

 

[Huracan]

Dual purpose hardware

It seems AT&T is going to launch LTE service pretty soon. Could it be that this hardware provides both LTE and HSPA+? It could still be useful to customers who have LTE devices visiting the Apple Store. I think it would be quite un-Apple like to launch a phone with LTE just days after AT&T launches the service. However, it would be good to be proved wrong.

 

[benjs]

I'm hoping this means the iphone 5 will have LTE. It could be for a future LTE iPad.

As for those who don't want the iphone 5 to have LTE since it is not available in their areas, that's absurd assuming it doesn't cost extra. Just turn off the 4G (to reduce power consumption) and you have a relatively future proof phone for when 4G comes to your area. My area is one of the 5 AT&T cities getting LTE this summer, but even if I wasn't, considering most people do 2 year contracts...it makes sense to be able to access the LTE near the end of your contract.

Just considering the prominent rumours surrounding the upcoming iPhone, and adding my own two cents to what I feel is realistic:
-8 megapixel rear-facing camera (rumoured)
-HD-capable front-facing camera (roughly 1 megapixel produces 720p footage)
-thinner profile (rumoured)
-better looking device (expected... come on, it's Apple; when was the last product upgrade an aesthetic downgrade?)
-larger screen (rumoured)
-increased or same battery life (this has been the trend for every iPhone since that between the original and 3G - I don't recall whether this was the case for that generation jump)
-faster processor, or more RAM (just a guess)

Taking into account the fact that the iPhone 3G came out ~3 years ago, and that the 3Gs came out ~2 years ago, I think there will be many people who, on these features alone, and the fact that their contracts are due to expire shortly (or already have), will move to this coming generation of iPhones. Fast forward another year, and if and when LTE catches on in a major way, Apple will announce the iPhone 5s, or 6, whatever you want to call it. The iPhone 3Gs users remaining will definitely be ready for an upgrade, and the iPhone 4 users will think to themselves that the device still has many similarities, but that LTE is a feature worth upgrading for, especially when they look around and see how widespread it is.

 

[PCClone]

So I guess my challenge for you turned out to be pretty hard one...

Anyway, my whole point is to make you realize that making blank statements can be a big slap at your face, therefore you shouldn't push the issue unless you can back it up with solid data.

Stop being a big turd. If you have a beef with him, take it somewhere else. Maybe you are just an upset goo troll trying to highjack this thread.

 

[FrizzleFryBen]

I'm not sure what's so hard about reading your own posts. If finding the answers presents a challenge to you, then you're suffering with something much more serious than confusion.

Wow. I think every one of your posts has been accusatory and mean in this thread. Might look into some anger management classes.

I simply asked if you posted your IP address in case you didn't think about it and might want to edit your post to remove it.

 

[kre62]

I presented you with a challenge that you fail to address. Why can't you address it? I guess you are too busy trying to prove your point without any backing data.

You guys are both right:

1) Verizon has the processes and policies in place to throttle users if they choose to do so

and

2) Verizon has not yet throttled a single user.

End.

 

[03jcrhr]

I can't see the next iPhone being 4G as literally no where outside the US/Canada has a LTE network provider. The radiowaves/airspace for 4G signal/reception is only just about to be auctioned in the UK so I think the iPhone will have it at earliest or maybe the iPad 3 if it comes out early 2012

 

[ski1ski1]

I can't see the next iPhone being 4G as literally no where outside the US/Canada has a LTE network provider. The radiowaves/airspace for 4G signal/reception is only just about to be auctioned in the UK so I think the iPhone will have it at earliest or maybe the iPad 3 if it comes out early 2012

So, why would this stop Apple from producing a 4G LTE device if they have a chipset available that's comparable to the size and battery consumption of a 3G chipset ? The US market is quite big, and the competition from 4G LTE devices is starting to become strong.

 

[milan03]

Wow. I think every one of your posts has been accusatory and mean in this thread. Might look into some anger management classes.

I simply asked if you posted your IP address in case you didn't think about it and might want to edit your post to remove it.

It's a screenshot from speediest.net, the IP is clearly Public IP Verizon generates to their customers. There are probably 50 users between no and yesterday afternoon that have been assigned to that same IP. It's highly dynamic infrastructure used by most cell providers in the world.

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You guys are both right:

1) Verizon has the processes and policies in place to throttle users if they choose to do so

and

2) Verizon has not yet throttled a single user.

End.

That's exactly what I clearly stated in posts #28 and #30. Was just mesmerized by aggressive limbo questions by ski1. Totally unnecessary and counter productive imho.

 

[sclawis300]

The issue isn't having a standard. LTE is already a standard. The issue is the chipset size and battery life. The first generation LTE devices had neither. But the new generation LTE chipsets that Apple might be using, might be much improved.

that is funny because I don't even have a clue what 4g even means anymore. And I like to think I am some what tech savvy.

 

[malevolant]

Lol... ok At this point I'd like to challenge you to simply read your own posts.

Thank you.

Wow...all of your arguments are like saying something could exist as long as you can't prove it doesn't exist.

Hey bro Unicorns are real because you can't prove they aren't.

 

[AIP5]

The issue isn't having a standard. LTE is already a standard. The issue is the chipset size and battery life. The first generation LTE devices had neither. But the new generation LTE chipsets that Apple might be using, might be much improved.

Well yeah, chip size and its power usage is probably a primary factor that Apple's considering.

But what I meant is that Apple has no control over where and when LTE is deployed. I'm not sure if cellphone companies would be willing to disclose all their info to Apple like that...

 

[ski1ski1]

That's exactly what I clearly stated in posts #28 and #30. Was just mesmerized by aggressive limbo questions by ski1. Totally unnecessary and counter productive imho.

Ugh, post #72 describes your nonsense perfectly

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Well yeah, chip size and its power usage is probably a primary factor that Apple's considering.

But what I meant is that Apple has no control over where and when LTE is deployed. I'm not sure if cellphone companies would be willing to disclose all their info to Apple like that...

Yes, Apple has no control on where LTE is being deployed, but why does that matter ? Verizon already has 118 markets on LTE. With many more coming online soon. AT&T has moved up their schedule for LTE deployment. The LTE chipsets are backward compatible with all the existing 3G and 2G networks.

 

[Tiger8]

Looks more like a bomb to me...

But seriously, I laugh at what this could be (but hopefully isn't): You demo the new AT&T iPhone in the Apple Store and you have fast, strong LTE signal. You go home, and you are on 3G.

true 3g if you're lucky. more like edge-speed-disguised-as-3g