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I can't see the next iPhone being 4G as literally no where outside the US/Canada has a LTE network provider. The radiowaves/airspace for 4G signal/reception is only just about to be auctioned in the UK so I think the iPhone will have it at earliest or maybe the iPad 3 if it comes out early 2012

Really, no where outside the US? Try South Korea for one. And the US + Canada makes a majority of Apples sales, so why is that so hard to believe?
 
Really, no where outside the US? Try South Korea for one. And the US + Canada makes a majority of Apples sales, so why is that so hard to believe?

How about China 1 billion pops ready to be activated. Japan, Sweden, Norway, Germany, S. Korea to name a few. China alone is worth investing in LTE.
 
I wonder what iPhone 6 will have if iPhone 5 gets bigger screen and lte something has to be left out apple isn't gonna give us everything
 
I wonder what iPhone 6 will have if iPhone 5 gets bigger screen and lte something has to be left out apple isn't gonna give us everything

Faster processor, thinner design, better camera, NFC, battery life, etc, etc. There room for a lot more improvements over the years.
 
What don't you understand when Apple says no G4 on the iPhone 5?

I dunno... this seems a bit odd. Why would AT&T install LTE if none of the Apple products have LTE. (Realistically, iPhone 5's not gonna have LTE... LTE isn't everywhere yet and it's a battery drainer). It'd be more realistic if AT&T installed this at Apple's campus (which they probably have already), but at Apple stores... it just seems coincidental at best.

I dunno... I'm not really knowledgeable in these areas; all I know is, I want my iPhone 5 already! :)

There's a multitude of versions of LTE. I would think Apple would want to test real-world use of a variety of variations of it to see what might work best with their iPhones. It takes a heck of a lot of experimenting with a multitude of variables to develop the ultra-complex software needed to handle it all. Who knows, they might be starting work on the iPhone 7 or 8.

I just bought an iPhone 4, figuring the contract will run out just about the time Apple releases a phone that uses LTE.

BTW, check out yesterday's Dilbert at http://www.dilbert.com/2011-08-15/.
 
Could it be a mistake and just be HSPA+ hardware?

That, or being multi-standard, would make a lot of sense. Even if the iPhone 5 comes out next month and is LTE, they still have customers with older kit (iPhone and other). AT&T benefit by offloading them from the regular towers, Apple benefit from happier customers and the customers benefit from better service: win all round.
 
There's a multitude of versions of LTE. I would think Apple would want to test real-world use of a variety of variations of it to see what might work best with their iPhones. It takes a heck of a lot of experimenting with a multitude of variables to develop the ultra-complex software needed to handle it all. Who knows, they might be starting work on the iPhone 7 or 8.

I just bought an iPhone 4, figuring the contract will run out just about the time Apple releases a phone that uses LTE.

BTW, check out yesterday's Dilbert at http://www.dilbert.com/2011-08-15/.

Sure, but that said, I'm pretty sure LTE devices have been in testing stage since shortly after the Verizon's LTE launch or after verizon iPhone launch.
 
This is what currently Verizon's LTE network offers using thunderbolt LTE phone:

Imagine iOS device polished running at 50mbps on the go!!! SICK

I have been stuck with ATT all of my life, I would kill to have half of that speed at my home!
 
-better looking device (expected... come on, it's Apple; when was the last product upgrade an aesthetic downgrade?)

I mostly agree with you. However I would like to call upon buttonless shuffles and the current nano's to point out that Apple can infact produce a turd every once in a while.
 
I can't believe this thread is almost at 100 comments and no one has mentioned the most obvious possibility that it is to demonstrate 4G USB modems on MacBooks.

LTE iPhone would be great, but I would be very surprised.
 
I can't believe this thread is almost at 100 comments and no one has mentioned the most obvious possibility that it is to demonstrate 4G USB modems on MacBooks.

LTE iPhone would be great, but I would be very surprised.

To be quite honest, I don't think this will happen simply because MacBooks are discontinued, they are not necessarily businessmen's favorite computer, etc. I'd much rather see it on Air, but the battery issues, again will most likely prevent this from happening. My first guess would be an iPad as a first LTE capable device, but I truly hope it's the next iPhone :)
 
What's strange about this is that AT&T hasn't even launched their 4G LTE network yet anywhere in the US. It's strange they'd install it in an Apple Store. I'd be shocked if the iPhone 5 had LTE for AT&T, and surprised but not startled if it had it for Verizon. With ATT only claiming to be ready to launch LTE in 15 markets in 2011, it'd be strange for the next iPhone to have ATT LTE considering Apple usually waits till a technology is mature.
 
What's strange about this is that AT&T hasn't even launched their 4G LTE network yet anywhere in the US. It's strange they'd install it in an Apple Store. I'd be shocked if the iPhone 5 had LTE for AT&T, and surprised but not startled if it had it for Verizon. With ATT only claiming to be ready to launch LTE in 15 markets in 2011, it'd be strange for the next iPhone to have ATT LTE considering Apple usually waits till a technology is mature.

But then again try to see it from Apple's angle. Apple gave the exclusivity to AT&T for full 3 years. AT&T could have Apple as the single LTE headset at least 'till years end. Sounds fair to me, hard to believe though...
 
What's funny to me is the real world performance of 3G in most markets is not much better than 2G everywhere. Once HSPA+ 3G/4G or LTE 4G is deployed, real users will not see anywhere close to possible speeds until back end provisioning improves a whole lot. Like 2 orders of magnitude. You may get 3G or 4G "signal", but throughput will be crippled for YEARS to come.

Mark my words.

BTW this fact is why a store needs a transceiver. So you can see how fast the device is right there. The only place it will be true for a very long time.

Rocketman
 
To be quite honest, I don't think this will happen simply because MacBooks are discontinued, they are not necessarily businessmen's favorite computer, etc. I'd much rather see it on Air, but the battery issues, again will most likely prevent this from happening. My first guess would be an iPad as a first LTE capable device, but I truly hope it's the next iPhone :)

I meant USB dongle. It could even go in the back of an iMac. In Australia we have HSPA+ versions of these dongles getting over 21mbps. In the middle of the outback.
 
What's funny to me is the real world performance of 3G in most markets is not much better than 2G everywhere. Once HSPA+ 3G/4G or LTE 4G is deployed, real users will not see anywhere close to possible speeds until back end provisioning improves a whole lot. Like 2 orders of magnitude. You may get 3G or 4G "signal", but throughput will be crippled for YEARS to come.

Mark my words.

BTW this fact is why a store needs a transceiver. So you can see how fast the device is right there. The only place it will be true for a very long time.

Rocketman

It all depends how the backhaul is deployed. AT&T is notorious for lack of proper backhaul and they barely provide us with half baked HSPA+ (not even 21mbps 64QAM in most areas but rather 14.4mbps). They simply don't feel like investing in sufficient backhaul if they don't have to. On the other hand Verizon has so much backhaul, in metro areas all fiber and GigE, they can wholesale it if they wanted.

Back to Apple store subject, the way they are implementing Verizon's Micro cells is by simply installing a "donor" antenna on the roof, and bunch of micro cells on the usually on the ceiling of the stores. They can't boost the service if the donor antenna doesn't get sufficient service. Micro cells simply distribute whatever the donor antenna feeds to the switch. Therefore, artificial boost of backhaul is not happening. I'm assuming that's what AT&T will be doing, unless somehow they decide to provide LTE backhaul through the regular static internet fed to the store. That would be totally artificial, fake almost "lab-like" LTE experience which is very deceiving and dishonest towards their subscribers.

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I meant USB dongle. It could even go in the back of an iMac. In Australia we have HSPA+ versions of these dongles getting over 21mbps. In the middle of the outback.

Those dongles are already being sold but not through Apple Stores in the U.S. You can buy them at any Cell Providers store.
 
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