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So at Apple's page here:

http://www.apple.com/iphone/

They say:
"""Phone, iPod, and Internet in one fast 3G device. Starting at $199.* Learn more""""""


And the * next to the price has this:

""""* Based on 3G and EDGE testing. Actual speeds vary by site conditions. Based on iPhone 3G (8GB) and first-generation iPhone (8GB) purchases."""""


No mention of requirements to get that price in the first line, but a line below there's this line too:

"""""""Requires new 2-year AT&T rate plan, sold separately""""""


Sold separately? Does that mean the price is not part of a 2 year agreement, not part of any upgrade eligibility plan? But simply you buy the phone at that set price you then have to buy the 2 year plan? I again see no mention of eligibility or a different price depending on your status with ATT.
 
Also, at ATT's own page, http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/specials/iPhone.jsp?WT.srch=1

They have a similar disclaimer as apple, except a few things:

"""*Qualified customers only. 2 year contract required. Based on 3G and EDGE testing. Actual speeds vary by site conditions. Based on iPhone 3G (8GB) and first-generation iPhone (8GB) purchases. Requires new 2-year AT&T rate plan, sold separately."""


They say qualified customers only. They didn't say "existing" ATT customers, thus guessing none specific, which means that's equally directed to new customers too. Possibly related to credit check to qualify for the 2 year plan or something.

Besides that leaked early memo, at Apple and even ATT site, they don't mention having to qualify for upgrade eligibility for the price. But only not anyone is going to be allowed to sign up for 2 years.
 
Don't be victimized

Take it from a hardcore Apple follower: DO NOT ALLOW YOURSELF TO GET FINANCIALLY AND TECHNOLOGICALLY SODOMIZED AND BAMBOOZLED on July 11...especially if you already own an iPhone.

Just get the 2.0 update and be patient. You won't really be missing out on anything. Because just around the corner lurks...

IPHONE 3G PRO!!!: 32GB, 5 Megapixel camera w/video recorder, the return of the aluminum back, voice features...in addition to all the features standard on the current model.

For $499. No freakin' subsidy! And only available at The Apple Store. Locked.

So resist the temptation on July 11. Be patient and wait 6 months or so.

Beat Apple at its own game.
 
Futile... ;)

I don't have the willpower to resist... ;)

Take it from a hardcore Apple follower: DO NOT ALLOW YOURSELF TO GET FINANCIALLY AND TECHNOLOGICALLY SODOMIZED AND BAMBOOZLED on July 11...especially if you already own an iPhone.

Just get the 2.0 update and be patient. You won't really be missing out on anything. Because just around the corner lurks...

IPHONE 3G PRO!!!: 32GB, 5 Megapixel camera w/video recorder, the return of the aluminum back, voice features...in addition to all the features standard on the current model.

For $499. No freakin' subsidy! And only available at The Apple Store. Locked.

So resist the temptation on July 11. Be patient and wait 6 months or so.

Beat Apple at its own game.
 
There is a reason why they used a plastic back. Much better reception. There's a reason why so many people were having trouble with the Macbook Pro WIFI.
 
Take it from a hardcore Apple follower: DO NOT ALLOW YOURSELF TO GET FINANCIALLY AND TECHNOLOGICALLY SODOMIZED AND BAMBOOZLED on July 11...especially if you already own an iPhone.

Just get the 2.0 update and be patient. You won't really be missing out on anything. Because just around the corner lurks...

IPHONE 3G PRO!!!: 32GB, 5 Megapixel camera w/video recorder, the return of the aluminum back, voice features...in addition to all the features standard on the current model.

For $499. No freakin' subsidy! And only available at The Apple Store. Locked.

So resist the temptation on July 11. Be patient and wait 6 months or so.

Beat Apple at its own game.

16GB is more than enough room for me as I do not feel the need to store my entire collection on my iPhone. I'm good on the cam since I have a digi cam. Most of the additional features can be added via an application.
 
Email Inquiry to AT&T

The following was sent to me in response to my online inquiry about the iPhone. I'm one of those users who I really think is in limbo. Those of us AT&T customers who are currently not qualified for "upgrades" and do not have an iPhone (iPony). Everyone else is just spazzing.

Thank you for taking the time to e-mail the new AT&T regarding upgrading to the new 3G Iphone. I am happy to help you with your inquiry.

I'm sorry, we are unable to release or answer any other questions at this time on upgrading, all the details are not available as of yet.

AT&T and Apple announced on July 9, 2008, that the 3G iPhone will be available in the U.S. on July 11, 2008. 3G iPhone combines three products into one small, lightweight device: a revolutionary mobile phone, a widescreen iPod, and it puts the Internet in your pocket with the best email, web browsing, search and Maps applications ever on a mobile phone.

The new version of the iPhone harnesses the power of AT&T's broad and powerful 3G mobile broadband network, which offers 3G mobile phones download speeds of up to 1.4 Mbps.

"We appreciate your interest in the new 3G iPhone. Unfortunately, at this time further details are not available. However, at www.wireless.att.com and by searching 3G iPhone, you can sign up to receive e-mail alerts when more information becomes available. I hope
you find this information useful." Sign onto this link below.

http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/specials/iPhone.jsp

Sincerely,

Firstname Lastname
AT&T
Online Customer Care Professional​

This seems to be the proper response, instead of all the nonsense which is being spouted from random CSRs. One would think they could have told their reps to say, "I'm sorry, we are unable to release or answer any other questions at this time on upgrading, all the details are not available as of yet." The fact that AT&T hasn't figured it out yet is miraculously stupid though.
 
Where are you getting your information? If what you say is true, there wouldn't be 16 pages of complaints on this thread. The AT&T spokesman clearly stated that there would be a different price (i.e. NOT 199/299) for existing AT&T customers that weren't "upgrade eligible". That is why people on this thread are upset. If you have some different information that is from a reliable source (NOT some AT&T rep on the phone or in a store) then I'd love to believe you.

What I am saying is that everyone will be able to buy the iPhone for $199 if they sign a new 2-year contract (1 iPhone + 1 contract).

If you have a contract already (as most people do) you will have 2 contracts on your hands (1 old and 1 new). Most of the 16 pages of complaints are because people feel that they are entitled to an upgrade, i.e. free termination/transfer of the old contract. If they do not get that, AT&T is unfair and treating existing customers badly since AT&T will be "charging them more for the iPhone". This is not true. They pay more and they get more.

Whith this, I was also trying to set straight that while some AT&T customers will be able to upgrade, none of the non-AT&T customers will have this possibility. So when it comes to new vs. existing customers, AT&T are treating existing customers in some cases better, never worse. AT&T will for sure not bail out other people from their old t-mobile/verizon contracts as the AT&T customers require that they will do for them.

People must be able to separate the things they are paying for. The price for the iPhone come in 2 components:
  1. $199
  2. monthly payments in form of the new contract
Now, if you want more than just the iPhone, say you want to get out of your old contract as well, you will have to pay for this (if you are not one of the lucky AT&T customers). The price for this seems to be around $200 depending on your existing provider.

A good example is if you are an exiting AT&T customer with say a Razr. You are per definition an exiting AT&T customer. You want to buy the new iPhone, keep the old contract and give your old phone to your son. When you buy the iPhone you will be asked for $199, nothing more (well, maybe tax...).

ps. Some of the posters are complaining about other things, like that if you are willing to pay yourself out of the old contract you should be able to keep your number and everything else that is related to your account. I totally agree with that really hope that AT&T will be able to provide this possibility.
 
Obviously, nobody knows. I'll tell you one thing though, the longer we go without an answer, the better the chance of everyone receiving the identical price point at 199/299. My reasoning for that is simply that most people (we're not most people) who heard about the announcement are assuming that the price is what they heard the day the iphone was announced... "199/299."
There's no assumption involved. That is the price. It is available to everyone signing a new two-year agreement, just as it's always been. Getting out of your former agreement is a separate process, as does trying to upgrade your phone within your current agreement, which might involve paying a different price.

That does not mean that the $199 price is not available to you. It is. You can sign a new contract and get a new plan and get that price if you like. You're then stuck paying two bills for two phones, but it's an option.
It might be the best business decision.
That's incredibly short-sighted. How does losing a number of months of previously committed income, taking a $200 hit, and increasing relative service costs make a good business decision? If people simply add the data plan, that does not itself mean that AT&T is making more money in the end. In fact, given the huge cost of 3G deployment and the curiously low rate plans for 3G, it seems a clearly low-margin service. They make their money on voice plans and text packages, plus overages and roaming.

Buying people out of their current contracts makes the contract a wash or a loss for AT&T, and any good will or positive buzz it generates would be offset by the anger exhibited by non-iPhone customers who don't get the advantage.

All it takes is for a person to say, "Your CSRl on this date, told me I could upgrade for $199," and AT&T has their hands tied, and it's their own doing.
Fortunately, CSRs aren't legally permitted to authorize changes to your contract of this nature, and your contract says that no modifications are permitted, except in writing by authorized parties. So it's a non-issue. There wouldn't be any businesses left if they were at the mercy of the idiotic things said by first-tier hourlies.
Sold separately? Does that mean the price is not part of a 2 year agreement, not part of any upgrade eligibility plan? But simply you buy the phone at that set price you then have to buy the 2 year plan?
No, "sold separately" means that it's not included in the price. "Requires" means that you have to do the signup to get that price.
I again see no mention of eligibility or a different price depending on your status with ATT.
Because that's part of AT&T's terms, and you have to deal with them for that part.
Besides that leaked early memo, at Apple and even ATT site, they don't mention having to qualify for upgrade eligibility for the price.
They don't have to. It's part of your existing contract terms. It's also an obvious part of being a cellular customer. Car commercials advertising a particular payment price don't mention that it's based on a preferential APR offered only to A-rated credit customers, and that your payment might be higher depending on your credit history and risk level.
But only not anyone is going to be allowed to sign up for 2 years.
"Anyone" has never been able to sign cellular agreements. You have to be 18, pass the credit check, and sometimes meet other requirements.

If you do all that here, you can get the $199 price. But if you are an existing customer, you'll be stuck with your old contract and old payment as well. If you want to get out of that, you have to follow that contract's method to do so (i.e. pay the ETF, lose your rate plan, sign a brand-new commitment), or take advantage of an alternative offer advanced by AT&T (i.e. pay the as-yet-unannounced higher up-front cost for the phone, which releases you from your older contract automatically and restarts your two-year commitment).
 
Who ever blamed AT&T for not paying off their contracts with other providers?

No one, which is exactly my point if you were referring to my post. People seem to think that AT&T are giving non-customers an advantage, which they are not.

If you do all that here, you can get the $199 price. But if you are an existing customer, you'll be stuck with your old contract and old payment as well. If you want to get out of that, you have to follow that contract's method to do so (i.e. pay the ETF, lose your rate plan, sign a brand-new commitment), or take advantage of an alternative offer advanced by AT&T (i.e. pay the as-yet-unannounced higher up-front cost for the phone, which releases you from your older contract automatically and restarts your two-year commitment).

Well explained. May I expand your sentence to "But if you are an existing customer to any provider, you'll be stuck with your old contract and old payment as well."
 
No one, which is exactly my point if you were referring to my post. People seem to think that AT&T are giving non-customers an advantage, which they are not.

Well, I was referring to this:

AT&T will for sure not bail out other people from their old t-mobile/verizon contracts as the AT&T customers require that they will do for them.

That's why I said what I said. Now, on to what I should have explained in the previous post. I don't think people are complaining that non-AT&T customers are getting an advantage. They're complaining—stupidly I might add—that AT&T is giving better rates to customers on other carriers, which is true. Anyone, without a prior AT&T contract, gets the phone for $199/$299. They may have to cancel their other contracts, but they still get that price. An AT&T customer that is in contract might have to pay the subsidy.

That's the complaint. And for the record, I don't agree with it. But then again, I don't really have much of a complaint. And unless I can get a new job to cover the one that laid me and a few others off I won't be able to get one on 7/11 anyway.
 
Take it from a hardcore Apple follower: DO NOT ALLOW YOURSELF TO GET FINANCIALLY AND TECHNOLOGICALLY SODOMIZED AND BAMBOOZLED on July 11...especially if you already own an iPhone.

Just get the 2.0 update and be patient. You won't really be missing out on anything. Because just around the corner lurks...

IPHONE 3G PRO!!!: 32GB, 5 Megapixel camera w/video recorder, the return of the aluminum back, voice features...in addition to all the features standard on the current model.

For $499. No freakin' subsidy! And only available at The Apple Store. Locked.

So resist the temptation on July 11. Be patient and wait 6 months or so.

Beat Apple at its own game.



SO true!
Probably January will see a better version of this iPhone 3G.
I doubt it, but if it comes with a front camera (like half of the phones in Italy) for video conferencing, that would be like frosting on a cake...

Hold on people!!!!! You have done great until now, what is another 6 months of your life? :D
 
No locked iPhones

I think there will be no locked iPhones. You will need to sign up with AT&T regardless and commit to their contract (which will likely have a termination fee of $325 or whatever the subsidy is that AT&T is paying), but you'll be able to use whatever SIM you want. This is also why they are releasing the phone everywhere at the same time.

Why else would they put a SIM tool in the box????
 
I don't think people are complaining that non-AT&T customers are getting an advantage. They're complaining—stupidly I might add—that AT&T is giving better rates to customers on other carriers, which is true. Anyone, without a prior AT&T contract, gets the phone for $199/$299. They may have to cancel their other contracts, but they still get that price. An AT&T customer that is in contract might have to pay the subsidy.

We have to compare apples to apples here. If we just talk about the iPhone the price is $199 + you signing the new contract. That deal is for everybody I assure you. See also matticus008 post above.

Now, if you want something additional on top of that, the termination of your old contract (which basically is a payment plan), you will have to pay for that.

People are comparing apples (iPhone only) to oranges (iPhone + termination). If you want the apple only, it will cost you $199 whoever you are. If you want the orange you will have to pay extra whoever you are (EXCEPT selected AT&T customers).

An AT&T customer that is in contract might have to pay the subsidy.
Correct and this is an option available only to AT&T customers (if they want the orange). No one is forced to do this and I can immagine that many non AT&T customers would love to have this option.

Just as you, I am not arguing right or wrong, but people seem to be suffering in frustration because of this "injustice". By explaining that the rules are alteast as good for AT&T customers as for others, maybe someone can get piece of mind... No obiously I am not doing such a great job, but anyway, it's the thought that counts, right?

Good luck with the work situation!
 
Correct and this is an option available only to AT&T customers (if they want the orange). No one is forced to do this and I can immagine that many non AT&T customers would love to have this option.

Just as you, I am not arguing right or wrong, but people seem to be suffering in frustration because of this "injustice". By explaining that the rules are alteast as good for AT&T customers as for others, maybe someone can get piece of mind... No obiously I am not doing such a great job, but anyway, it's the thought that counts, right?

Good luck with the work situation!

Thanks. My point is that the subsidy and termination of an old contract are the same thing in this case. That is all. True, it's the same for anyone that's in contract no matter what carrier they're using. I think people just like to complain. :)
 
covert activity

hehehe sneaked into a Sprint store yesterday hehehe and after cleverly concealing my iphone in my back pocket hehehe I made my way over to the Samsung Instinct model on display hehehe just to hehehe "compare" and folks.....

....relax, there is absolutely positively NO competition or comparison. Once you had the iphone experience everthing else actually feels exactly like what they are --- cheap imitations.

The iphone interface -- including how smoothly everything responds to the touch and transitions within and between applications --- simply cannot be replicated.

Try it out for yourself. If you already own an iphone, visit one of the other carriers and test out their so-called "iphone killers." I guarantee you'll walk away with a smile on your face knowing that you have the best of the best.

Assuming nothing has been compromised from the v.1 iphone by offering this new version at such a cheap price, it's almost an insult that Apple is practically giving this thing away to a general public that will not appreciate its finesse nor its breakthrough technological achievements.
 
So my account page has been updated to indicate more clearly what AT&T is doing. It appears to me that they are going to ignore the "no-commitment" pricing label for the iPhone and probably call it something else to get away with charging current customers unsubsidized prices and still require a new 2 year agreement. Here is what it says exactly on my account page:

You can take advantage of our no-commitment pricing option. All iPhone purchases require a 2-year service commitment. This line may be eligible for an equipment discount on 01/08/2009

Still cryptic, but stated a little more matter of fact now. Makes sense that ATT would be out to make the most money possible on this whole thing, if they can legally get away with it (and I am sure some really overpriced lawyer has already looked it over for them). Oh well. May be considering transferring my line to another carrier and getting the BB Bold, if it comes our any time soon.
 
hehehe sneaked into a Sprint store yesterday hehehe and after cleverly concealing my iphone in my back pocket hehehe I made my way over to the Samsung Instinct model on display hehehe just to hehehe "compare" and folks.....

....relax, there is absolutely positively NO competition or comparison. Once you had the iphone experience everthing else actually feels exactly like what they are --- cheap imitations.

The iphone interface -- including how smoothly everything responds to the touch and transitions within and between applications --- simply cannot be replicated.

Try it out for yourself. If you already own an iphone, visit one of the other carriers and test out their so-called "iphone killers." I guarantee you'll walk away with a smile on your face knowing that you have the best of the best.

Assuming nothing has been compromised from the v.1 iphone by offering this new version at such a cheap price, it's almost an insult that Apple is practically giving this thing away to a general public that will not appreciate its finesse nor its breakthrough technological achievements.

I don't really think any of us were worried. But, uh, thanks?
 
So my account page has been updated to indicate more clearly what AT&T is doing. It appears to me that they are going to ignore the "no-commitment" pricing label for the iPhone and probably call it something else to get away with charging current customers unsubsidized prices and still require a new 2 year agreement. Here is what it says exactly on my account page:

You can take advantage of our no-commitment pricing option. All iPhone purchases require a 2-year service commitment. This line may be eligible for an equipment discount on 01/08/2009

Still cryptic, but stated a little more matter of fact now. Makes sense that ATT would be out to make the most money possible on this whole thing, if they can legally get away with it (and I am sure some really overpriced lawyer has already looked it over for them). Oh well. May be considering transferring my line to another carrier and getting the BB Bold, if it comes our any time soon.

Yeah, after reading your post i went to check on my account and it said the same thing.

I wonder if they're trying to drop hints that current ATT members in a contract with a different phone will be paying more for the iphone and still have to sign a new contract (which goes against the current policy regarding purchasing phones from cingular when not eligible for an upgrade). Sure sounds like it. And it seems to confirm there will be no "contract free" iphone for sale anywhere in the states from a retail store (except for those that choose to buy it and cancel their contract after the first month). Im really tired of this vague crap.

Just come out with it already. Tell me how much i need to bring with me to the Apple store already!!!!
 
Yeah, after reading your post i went to check on my account and it said the same thing.

I wonder if they're trying to drop hints that current ATT members in a contract with a different phone will be paying more for the iphone and still have to sign a new contract (which goes against the current policy regarding purchasing phones from cingular when not eligible for an upgrade). Sure sounds like it. And it seems to confirm there will be no "contract free" iphone for sale anywhere in the states from a retail store (except for those that choose to buy it and cancel their contract after the first month). Im really tired of this vague crap.

Just come out with it already. Tell me how much i need to bring with me to the Apple store already!!!!

Playing the optimist, which is rare for me, could it mean that since they are requiring everyone to sign a 2-year contract for the iPhone, even current subscribers not eligible for upgrade will also get the $199 price since the contract is not usually required for a "no-commitment upgrade"?

Several people said AT&T is treating the iPhone just like any other subsidized phone, but as we can see, this is officially now not true, as I am a subscriber with a subsidized phone, but I am being told (I think) I can get the iPhone, but must sign a 2 year contract, which is not done with "no commitment pricing" while locked in a contract.

If they make us pay a higher price and sign a 2 year contract, there will be an uproar.
 
Playing the optimist, which is rare for me, could it mean that since they are requiring everyone to sign a 2-year contract for the iPhone, even current subscribers not eligible for upgrade will also get the $199 price since the contract is not usually required for a "no-commitment upgrade"?

Several people said AT&T is treating the iPhone just like any other subsidized phone, but as we can see, this is officially now not true, as I am a subscriber with a subsidized phone, but I am being told (I think) I can get the iPhone, but must sign a 2 year contract, which is not done with "no commitment pricing" while locked in a contract.

If they make us pay a higher price and sign a 2 year contract, there will be an uproar.

I thought about that when I read it but I just figured ATT was going to take the route that would net them the most money per phone. I personally wont pay more for the phone AND sign a new 2 year contract. If thats the case, I wont be buying an iphone on launch day.

If they do sell at the 199-299 price and just require me to sign a new contract with the data plan, I'm good with that. I guess time will tell.
 
Take it from a hardcore Apple follower: DO NOT ALLOW YOURSELF TO GET FINANCIALLY AND TECHNOLOGICALLY SODOMIZED AND BAMBOOZLED on July 11...especially if you already own an iPhone.

Just get the 2.0 update and be patient. You won't really be missing out on anything. Because just around the corner lurks...

IPHONE 3G PRO!!!: 32GB, 5 Megapixel camera w/video recorder, the return of the aluminum back, voice features...in addition to all the features standard on the current model.

For $499. No freakin' subsidy! And only available at The Apple Store. Locked.

So resist the temptation on July 11. Be patient and wait 6 months or so.

Beat Apple at its own game.

So, where does this nugget of optimism come from? Inside information or simply MacBook Pro envy? Given that the iPhone 3g will be unlocked long before Christmas (so my value will hold up) why not enjoy six months of 3g bliss and then buy the Pro on the savings from eBay heaven for the plain 3g model?
 
Yeah, after reading your post i went to check on my account and it said the same thing.

I wonder if they're trying to drop hints that current ATT members in a contract with a different phone will be paying more for the iphone and still have to sign a new contract (which goes against the current policy regarding purchasing phones from cingular when not eligible for an upgrade). Sure sounds like it. And it seems to confirm there will be no "contract free" iphone for sale anywhere in the states from a retail store (except for those that choose to buy it and cancel their contract after the first month). Im really tired of this vague crap.

Just come out with it already. Tell me how much i need to bring with me to the Apple store already!!!!

Mine says:

"This line is eligible for equipment discount pricing when you sign up for a 2-year service agreement. You can also take advantage of our no-commitment pricing option. All iPhone purchases require a 2-year service commitment."

So do I have to pay the higher price for the iPhone??
 
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