I'm a Canadian. There is no CDMA iPhone in Canada and not all carriers have the iPhone in Canada. Three carriers have the 3G iPhone (Bell, Telus, Rogers)
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AT&T Losing iPhone Exclusivity on Wednesday?
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I'm a Canadian. There is no CDMA iPhone in Canada and not all carriers have the iPhone in Canada. Three carriers have the 3G iPhone (Bell, Telus, Rogers)
Uh.............no. It's never been established that only covers iPhones. In fact, it likely would cover anything at all similar in function and technology, or anything the contracting parties agreed to. This is not Mickey Mouse stuff. But it's not a good idea to announce loss of exclusivity unless would be available on another carrier immediately.
No, Apple would just have to make a phone that has a combo CDMA/GSM chip in it. Verizon already uses phones like this, the BlackBerry World Phone is one of them. I don't exactly know what model of BlackBerry it is, but a coworker of mine has one.
There is a lot more to the cost of an iPhone than just parts like:
-engineering (and support staff)
-fabrication subcontracts (and the contractor's profits)
-marketing (paying for elaborate keynote speeches, commercials, etc)
-training the sales staff
-training the technical support staff
-supporting free apps for the App Store (iPhone and iPod Touch do this)
-Apple profit
All of those costs are spread across the projected sales of the product. That is what determines the final wholesale price.
I am not saying that Apple adds a large margin (~45%), but it is not the 300-400% that you are describing.
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It's not that slight of a difference. Apple can't just shove a CDMA chip in the iPhone and start selling. It has to go to the FCC for testing -- they do see it as a different model. That cost money, money not worth spending on a phone that will be superseded in a few months anyway. It's far more economical to drop a hybrid CDMA/GSM chip into whatever iPhone 2010 will be called. One phone for multiple carriers. That's more Apple's M.O.
As far as that goes it's never been concretely "established" that it covers more than phones since the terms have never been made public. However multiple people familiar with the industry norms have said in the past few years that its limited to phones. I do agree with you though that it "would cover...anything the contracting parties agreed to."
Let me guess, you are either pre-law or a 1L.
I am very happy with AT&T--in fact I would not have bought my iPhone if it were not on AT&T since I don't want to change carriers. But I think it it good for everyone, consumers and Apple, to have the iPhone on more than one carrier in the US.
There was a time when people chose their wireless carrier based on other factors other than the handset it carries exclusively. That was mostly because by today's standards, all the devices sucked. However, now when phone makers are making really good smartphone devices, they lock them on a particular carrier. I really hope that the iPhone (along with the other exclusive phones) get to all carriers. Let the factors that truly matter dictate what carrier to use.
As much as I really like my Pre, I would definitely consider an iPhone 3GS on Sprint. Regardless of what comes this week, it will certainly be interesting to see who had the right rumors and what stuff was completely missed by the rumor mill!
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I wish people here would get it. It is good when phones support the technology standards that the rest of the western world uses. We want things to be on AT&T and T-Mobile. We don't want things to be on Verizon and Sprint. We want Verizon and sprint to totally re-do their networks so finally the US can have one standard which is THE SAME as the UK, Europe and Australia. This is a reason (not the reason) why we're backwater. Change and unify the standards and things improve for the customer.
lol No I'm not pro AT&T and I'm just anti CDMA
I wish people here would get it. It is good when phones support the technology standards that the rest of the western world uses. We want things to be on AT&T and T-Mobile. We don't want things to be on Verizon and Sprint. We want Verizon and sprint to totally re-do their networks so finally the US can have one standard which is THE SAME as the UK, Europe and Australia. This is a reason (not the reason) why we're backwater. Change and unify the standards and things improve for the customer.
lol No I'm not pro AT&T and I'm just anti CDMA
One point I have to disagree with you...
3GS came out before the *June/July* theory...
I wish people here would get it. It is good when phones support the technology standards that the rest of the western world uses. We want things to be on AT&T and T-Mobile. We don't want things to be on Verizon and Sprint. We want Verizon and sprint to totally re-do their networks so finally the US can have one standard which is THE SAME as the UK, Europe and Australia. This is a reason (not the reason) why we're backwater. Change and unify the standards and things improve for the customer.
lol No I'm not pro AT&T and I'm just anti CDMA
Really? Maybe on a tech forum but 98% of all mobile phone users probably never leave the US with their phone. Most probably never leave their state. The vast majority of users couldn't care less about CDMA or GSM.
I don't doubt for a minute that the tablet will have a data plan on both Verizon & AT&T's networks. Apple would gain very little with tablet exclusivity.
With the R&D involved (and no, it's not simply switching out a chip.), I'm not sure if it would be profitable for Apple to develop a specific phone with a different chip that uses dying technology in just one country.
Secondly, Apple's latest marketing push with the phone has clearly stated that you can use voice and data simultaneously - something which would not be available on Verizon's network. I somehow doubt that Apple would be unaware or ignorant of their own product roadmap.
Verizon (and other carriers) will get the phone in the US. I don't doubt that, either. I just don't see it happening before they upgrade their network away from CDMA.
With the R&D involved (and no, it's not simply switching out a chip.), I'm not sure if it would be profitable for Apple to develop a specific phone with a different chip that uses dying technology in just one country.
Secondly, Apple's latest marketing push with the phone has clearly stated that you can use voice and data simultaneously - something which would not be available on Verizon's network. I somehow doubt that Apple would be unaware or ignorant of their own product roadmap.
Verizon (and other carriers) will get the phone in the US. I don't doubt that, either. I just don't see it happening before they upgrade their network away from CDMA.
That would be the Blackberry bold...
To comment on the iPhone possibly moving to other carriers.
I joined the Cingular *crew* back in 2002 and kept the same cell provider (Meaning thru the changes as well to ATT) throughout the years and seeing the customer support go from A+++ star status to a very week and grim "I really do not want to deal with a person grumpier than I at the moment" Type of feeling when having to call them about a problem. I jumped ship after going to spend some time with family in a FULLY SATURATED ATT area. I was surfing on the iphone (And no there was not any roaming or anything else, clearly showed I was on ATT network) for roughly 2 hours a day the time I went to see my family.
Upon returning to my home and receiving the bill. I was triple charged and there were charges from my phone to other countries to say the least.
After calling and having them run tests, come to find out the charges were mistakenly put on my bill ( I have had this happen to me too many times over by them). I have had this happen to where I only paid what I know I owed and them suspending my services.....
I was totally fed up and am with TMOB. Allot friendlier.
We will see how the media event holds honor to either the people, myths or satisfaction of doing the right thing for the masses and giving choices amongst us....
Apple has nearly given us users everything we asked for when it came to the iPhone (Slowly but surely they have).
Apple even made snide remarks and comedian antics when discussing MMS on the iphone and the ATT network....
Again,
Only time will tell....
I do think the iPhone is coming to Verizon in 2010 - Not now though...
The Verizon iPhone will most likely have the dual GSM/CDMA technology, but it won't happen now during the big release of the Tablet.
I still think the Apple 3G Tablet will be the first to have Verizon hardware, and their iPhone will be released in early summer.
Only assumptions...
Tablet - debuts early Spring (gets mentioned on Wednesday)
Verizon iPhone - debuts early Summer (gets mentioned in the Spring of 2010)
One thing I question is - the bargaining agreements with the Apple App Store vs Vcast. That will be an interesting war that may slow up the release of the Verizon iPhone.
The Verizon iPhone will most likely have the dual GSM/CDMA technology, but it won't happen now during the big release of the Tablet.
I still think the Apple 3G Tablet will be the first to have Verizon hardware, and their iPhone will be released in early summer.
Only assumptions...
Tablet - debuts early Spring (gets mentioned on Wednesday)
Verizon iPhone - debuts early Summer (gets mentioned in the Spring of 2010)
One thing I question is - the bargaining agreements with the Apple App Store vs Vcast. That will be an interesting war that may slow up the release of the Verizon iPhone.
I think you will have a long wait. CDMA works too well to scrap. You'll see CDMA with data on LTE in the future but it won't go away (not any time soon). Too many advantages in phone service for that.
That's actually exactly why I think this rumor might have legs--FCC filings. What did Apple when the iPhone was first released? They announced in January with a shipping date in June. I could see that being the case once more--announce the CDMA iPhone in January, phone ships in June/July.
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The FCC itself doesn't do any testing. You pay a third party to do that, and then submit the tests when you know the device will pass. Sometimes the FCC will come back and ask for clarification. Not very expensive in the overall scheme of things, though.
I think you're right that a dual mode would make sense if Apple decides to add CDMA. However, they might stop Verizon from doing what they do for all their other such phones: unlocking the GSM side upon request.
Perhaps. Yet Apple preannounced the first iPhone by six months in order to let people have time to get out of their contracts. That no doubt stopped lots of other ATT smartphone sales during the waiting period.
Absolutely. If and when this announcement is made, expect to see a lot of sweet deals from ATT to re-up people into another two year contract. It's possible that the 4G phone will be the one that is rolled out to Verizon, and many who got the 3GS on ATT won't normally be qualified for the upgrade yet. But ATT may just open that up to anyone and everyone who has an iPhone with them. It would retain a lot of people who can't switch to Verizon yet, but will give them a chance to get the new phone!
That was when nobody knew how good or bad Apple's first phone would be. It is a totally different game now.
So? The point is that Verizon has far far better coverage than ATT...at least on the entire East Coast of the USA. Not much point in getting anything labeled as a "phone" (cell phone, smart phone, iPhone) if I can't make phone calls.
Before my iPhone I was on Verizon for 5+ years...not a single dropped call...not 1. No exaggeration. Also, I always had enough signal to make or receive calls. Always. Again, no exaggeration. I've been on ATT since Sep '09 and I would say my dropped call percentage is 15-25% and my ability to make or receive calls is 75%. I travel daily within 30 miles of my home...so plenty of opportunity for my phone device to reach other towers.I know a great deal of friends and relatives that are waiting to see the iPhone on Verizon...not because they can download 100MB/day while at the beach, but because it's a killer phone on a fantastic network that also provides a top-notch web surfing experience. Trust me...sales will be off the charts in the East Coast once Verizon gets the iPhone. Depending on my cancellation fee, Verizon sales promotions, and new iPhone model availability I may switch to Verizon before my ATT contract runs out.
-Eric