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As I said earlier:



So no I don't believe marketing fluff and concede that AT&T made mistakes in estimating demand. And I completely agree that the lack of 850 is stupid. I was just pointing out a flaw in your otherwise valid argument. Sorry, wasn't trying to be a smartass, just couldn't resist.

Don't worry, he is ignorant for not researching before he makes a comment or simply fails at reading comprehension.
 
My Verizon 3G speed is not too bad.


That's because nobody is using it :D

Wait till they have a few million iPhone users on there. No other handset out there today comes even close to the data traffic that iPhone generates.
 
Well if there wasn't an exclusivity agreement the network load would be spread out among the carriers, and Apple would sell more iPhones too. Win, Win.

Not exactly. Which carriers? T-Mobile?? Their network sucks. They sublease from AT&T in all the metros. They dont have a network. And Verizon btw uses CDMA which is dinosaur technology that nobody else in the world uses. So what carrier are you talking about?? The iPhone doesn't have a CDMA version for good reason. Nobody except Verizon on the whole planet uses CDMA. The entire planet is on GSM.
 
MMS is data. You fail horribly at communications. Go read up, then come back and brag.

You fail...LOL. The iPhone does not currently support MMS. So that article that talks about how iPhone uses 10x more data then other smartphone customers, is NOT from MMS. So where is from ? From Internet browsing !!! That is the difference between data usage of other smartphone customers and iPhone customers. iPhone customers surf the Internet a great deal more then non-iPhone customers. Why ? Because the Internet experience is so much better then other smartphones. Go back and try to understand your own article you want to quote. LOL. I doubt MMS traffic on a iPhone will be any greater then other smartphones. The MMS experience on a iPhone is the same MMS experience as other smartphones. Unlike the Web experience.
 
"Get it right"

The technology is years old. Sheesh.

Good thing I don't live in the states otherwise my head would have imploded!
 
You fail...LOL. The iPhone does not currently support MMS. So that article that talks about how iPhone uses 10x more data then other smartphone customers, is NOT from MMS. So where is from ? From Internet browsing !!! That is the difference between data usage of other smartphone customers and iPhone customers. iPhone customers surf the Internet a great deal more then non-iPhone customers. Why ? Because the Internet experience is so much better then other smartphones. Go back and try to understand your own article you want to quote. LOL. I doubt MMS traffic on a iPhone will be any greater then other smartphones. The MMS experience on a iPhone is the same MMS experience as other smartphones. Unlike the Web experience.

Internet usage and MMS usage is data. The network can handle the current data load, but will not if they hadn't doesn't the upgrades. So yeah, you fail.

Think video, is it made out of air? Data, more likely? If you MMS it to a friend? Thats traffic....
 
so noone knows who supplies at&t's network hardware?

where is this 18 billion going to? besides buyouts. i know PWAV supplies sprint & vzw..
 
Not exactly. Which carriers? T-Mobile?? Their network sucks. They sublease from AT&T in all the metros. They dont have a network. And Verizon btw uses CDMA which is dinosaur technology that nobody else in the world uses. So what carrier are you talking about?? The iPhone doesn't have a CDMA version for good reason. Nobody except Verizon on the whole planet uses CDMA. The entire planet is on GSM.

Right... no one in the whole world except Verizon uses CDMA. OK. Certainly not as many as GSM, but Apple should be interested in the 130 million CDMA users in this country.

I am aware that Verizon uses CDMA, are you aware that it is possible to put GSM & CDMA in the same phone? Or make one of each. If RIM is capable of this certainly Apple is.
 
Internet usage and MMS usage is data. The network can handle the current data load, but will not if they hadn't doesn't the upgrades. So yeah, you fail.

Think video, is it made out of air? Data, more likely? If you MMS it to a friend? Thats traffic....

You still fail to understand my point. How will iPhone users be more demanding MMS customers then non-iPhone customers ?
 
You still fail to understand my point. How will iPhone users be more demanding MMS customers then non-iPhone customers ?


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It's a data guzzler. Owners use them like minicomputers, which they are, and use them a lot. Not only do iPhone owners download applications, stream music and videos and browse the Web at higher rates than the average smartphone user, but the average iPhone owner can also use 10 times the network capacity used by the average smartphone user.


A recent Wall Street Journal article also reported that iPhone users download web data at a rate of two to four times that of other smartphone users
 
Hopefully the 17 billion dollars in network upgrades will allow me to have service at my house.
 

You still fail to understand my point. We all know iPhone customers use more data (non MMS data) then other smart phone customers. The main reason being because the internet experience is so much better then other smartphones. But I doubt iPhone customers will use more MMS data then other smartphones customers. Because the MMS experience is the same as other smartphones.
 
You still fail to understand my point. How will iPhone users be more demanding MMS customers then non-iPhone customers ?

How will its not the question here. rdowns has neatly sumed up what I was about to say. iPhone users are more demanding.

You still fail to understand my point. We all know iPhone customers use more data (non MMS data) then other smart phone customers. The main reason being because the internet experience is so much better then other smartphones. But I doubt iPhone customers will use more MMS data. Because the MMS experience is the same as other smartphones.

Simple, beautiful interface everyone wants to use. Just like data before the iPhone. No one used it. Today, not many people with iPhones can go a day or two without having to use the web or check email.

You have to remember Apple gets part of the contract other providers may not be so willing to sign up for that (verizon). I'm sure apple knows what they need to get from ATT and as long as its not 1 trillion dollars ATT will give them whatever they want to stay exclusive.

Apple will be fine as long as the iPhone sells (which will always) and as long as they make money. They currently are. So.... i don't see this changing.
 
As for AT&T's exclusive agreement. It's all about the money. If Apple feels like giving up that extra revenue they will, but I have a feeling they won't.

You have to remember Apple gets part of the contract other providers may not be so willing to sign up for that (verizon). I'm sure apple knows what they need to get from ATT and as long as its not 1 trillion dollars ATT will give them whatever they want to stay exclusive.
 
Excuses. Excuses.

All I could hear were his excuses. When is Verizon going to release a similar video? Oh, that's right; they don't need to.

Well it is and it isn't.

Here in south florida, we have the best Wireless cell network in the country. We were fully 850 MHz several months ago, and consistently have 1.5 Mbps + download speed. Calls don't get dropped on the iPhone, cell coverage is not spotty at all, and I have used it a lot from Port ST. Lucie down to south miami.

Now i'm not making any excuses for AT&T because there are still problems and some places are just really bad. But its not bad everywhere. And if AT&T would model the rest of the country on what they did in South Florida there would be 90% less problems then what people have now.

90%? lol is that a fact?
 
is 850mhz coming to miami?

I think Florida is already on 850Mhz.... there is a poster here that said his speeds are solid 2Mb/s and not experiencing dropped calls or poor reception in buildings.

All I could hear were his excuses. When is Verizon going to release a similar video? Oh, that's right; they don't need to.



90%? lol is that a fact?

Care to do a better job? Go ahead...
 
While I have no issues with AT&T (except when I was in LA) I think that it's great to see them taking the time to explain to customers what it's like to have the iPhone literally blow up your network usage.

NO other cell company, even crapy VZW, can claim they have a phone like the iPhone that draws so much data usage from so many people. The argument could be made that the iPhone could have been just a phone and iPod if AT&T and Apple hadn't required data plans. This makes customers think "I'm paying for it, I'm gonna use it." Which put more strain on the network. The first year not so much... but after the drop to $199 and now $99... yeah that's a lot.

Verizon is able to learn from AT&T's misfortune. That is what *may* keep them from having issues if they get the iPhone which I hope they don't. They said no the first time.

I HATE Verizon. Locked up the ass firmware with the same damn menu on every phone they sell. No sim support and I can't have multiple phones BS. Dammit I hate them. :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
 
so noone knows who supplies at&t's network hardware?

where is this 18 billion going to? besides buyouts. i know PWAV supplies sprint & vzw..
 
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