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AT&T Releases Statement on Lack of 3G Streaming for Upcoming SlingPlayer Mobile

Apple needs to wake up and understand that Europe is WAY ahead of the US in terms of the mobile phone market. MMS being a prime example!

Stop crippling the UK etc just because AT&T cant cope!! :mad:

The iPhone is great - but could be so much better if Apple understood more about the European market.
 
I have been bashing AT&T for not allowing video streaming over 3G, but now I'm not entirely sure it's all AT&T's doing. If this was purely an AT&T decision, then why would the rest of the world be denied video streaming. Furthermore, AT&T already allows other devices to stream video over 3G. And before someone says the addition of millions of iPhones would drag the network down - we don't know this. We do not know what proportion of AT&T smartphone subscribers have iPhones.

The common denominator in this whole mess is Apple. I don't believe Apple is as innocent as we believe and we should also be questioning them too.
 
CBX said:
The iPhone is great - but could be so much better if Apple understood more about the European market.
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I don't think it's as simple as Apple "misunderstanding" the European market. Maybe the European carriers are on the sideline secretly smiling because AT&T has to take all the blame? The European carriers have really nothing to gain by allowing you to potentially clog their network. They already have your money. This iPhone experience, I learn day-after-day, has less to do with satisfying the customer and their needs and more to do with padding Apple's wallet and increasing carriers' subscription rates.

I would just love to have just 24 hours reading this "exclusive" contract Apple has with AT&T. It's probably full of language that just bends over the customer and Apple probably allowed this language due to $$$.
 
kas23 said:
I don't think it's as simple as Apple "misunderstanding" the European market. Maybe the European carriers are on the sideline secretly smiling because AT&T has to take all the blame? The European carriers have really nothing to gain by allowing you to potentially clog their network. They already have your money. This iPhone experience, I learn day-after-day, has less to do with satisfying the customer and their needs and more to do with padding Apple's wallet and increasing carriers' subscription rates.

I would just love to have just 24 hours reading this "exclusive" contract Apple has with AT&T. It's probably full of language that just bends over the customer and Apple probably allowed this language due to $$$.
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Misunderstanding the market was more aimed at the lack of MMS. Email may be the better solution - but that doesnt stop the fact that it is massively used in Europe.

Same goes for video. These were 2 massive let downs for european users.

What im getting at is Apple seems to be listening to AT&T more so than other worldwide carriers and AT&T are seemingly making the restrictions on things like sling on 3G and tethering.

Surely we should not be punished because they cant get their act together?

Im not in the US - but even I dont want Apple to renew their contract with AT&T!
 
CBX said:
Misunderstanding the market was more aimed at the lack of MMS. Email may be the better solution - but that doesnt stop the fact that it is massively used in Europe.

Same goes for video. These were 2 massive let downs for european users.

What im getting at is Apple seems to be listening to AT&T more so than other worldwide carriers and AT&T are seemingly making the restrictions on things like sling on 3G and tethering.

Surely we should not be punished because they cant get their act together?

Im not in the US - but even I dont want Apple to renew their contract with AT&T!
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I guess Apple (and everyone else too) will really see what the European market is when they release the next iPhone. If people line up for this product, I guess either Apple has the European customers tricked, Apple understands the market pretty well, or perhaps a little of both.

Anyways, AT&T are certainly bastards, but Apple is just as bastardly for allowing AT&T to take advantage of their customers while Apple rolls around in their cashpile.
 
clinging to slinging

the worst part about this brouhaha, personally, is my reconsideration of purchasing next gen iphone in summer...
i dont sling, never have, wont any time soon..

but fallout and material for sprint, verizon ad campaigns is huge... and 3g problems worry me

at&t network was always problematic.. this is a real self-confirmation and loathing wrapped as one. i may pass on it

...will next iphone allow mini video up/downloading from phone? could that bandwidth need be affecting this? maybe apple tv is holding 3g privilege toward that slinging end? still against TOS tho..
 
This really does grate on my nerves. It sounds like You Tube, and other website video streaming is really no different than Sling-Streaming - yet AT&T has the audacity to release THAT statement?

Bring on the competition! The gall of this company and their pricing alone makes me want to go back to Verizon, termination fees notwithstanding.

:apple:
 
Don't Worry, Be Happy

Think about it, you know AT&T. In about 3 months you'll be able to pay that $10/ month you were paying before the price drop to make your sling player work.
 
I think the fact that Slingbox is necessary in the first place is ridiculous and indicative of a broadcasting industry in the dark ages.

I mean- really- you receive a signal in your house over the cable network that you then need hardware and bandwidth 24/7 to redirect out to remote devices? And everyone in the country needs that solution if they want to do slingbox type things?

That is a LOT of unicast streams of the exact same data. If you're a cable subscriber why don't they just give you a username and password and you can tap into a video over IP feed? I see no reason why you should have to implement your own video server solution in your home to pull this off.
 
irun5k said:
I think the fact that Slingbox is necessary in the first place is ridiculous and indicative of a broadcasting industry in the dark ages.

I mean- really- you receive a signal in your house over the cable network that you then need hardware and bandwidth 24/7 to redirect out to remote devices? And everyone in the country needs that solution if they want to do slingbox type things?

That is a LOT of unicast streams of the exact same data. If you're a cable subscriber why don't they just give you a username and password and you can tap into a video over IP feed? I see no reason why you should have to implement your own video server solution in your home to pull this off.
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+1
Now this is moving forward.
 
Metsfan7450 said:
Does anyone know how to get the slingbox id?
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Download the free Sling app from their website, and it will search out slingboxes on your subnet, and display their information.

Personally, I don't use the box id. I know my home network's external static Cablevision IP address, and I use that. Then I set up my router to pass in the video stream on the usual 5001 port and the only device in the house on that port is my single Slingbox.
 
I love the fact that it's the pesky customers' fault for using too much bandwidth, rather than AT&T's fault for not providing enough bandwidth...

They should just say to their customers. Look, give us some more money and we might think about improving our infrastructure, but not before we've had a nice cup of tea, and maybe some biscuits.
 
Its an absolute ***** joke that A) A US mobile provider can dictate what happens with the rest of the worlds carriers, and B) that Apple are allowing it.

Apple are going to have to watch out as this, as well as other questions concerning the itunes store, is going to turn people away from their products.

Yes, the iphone is good, BUT its only loosely up there. Other phones are better in many respects and things like this story are not going to help them.
 
klittle32 said:
AT&T may have a lawsuit coming their way from sling for discriminatory practices.
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I really do think that you will see carriers starting to shut down the ability to "sling" since it DOES violate the TOS for all of them (in the US).

I think any action on Slings part in a lawsuit or such will just quicken that action.

I could be wrong..... time will tell. But i guess that anyone that calls up AT&T and says - "but i can do it on my BB for work...." - will see it stop working first. It's like bragging to your carrier that you don't have a land line at home - that is ALSO a violation of the TOS for most carriers.
 
CBX said:
Apple needs to wake up and understand that Europe is WAY ahead of the US in terms of the mobile phone market. MMS being a prime example!

Stop crippling the UK etc just because AT&T cant cope!! :mad:

The iPhone is great - but could be so much better if Apple understood more about the European market.
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O2 couldn't cope either - bear in mind O2's contract explicitly states that you can't use 3G for streaming video, something much stronger than AT&T.

O2 also already block some video applications, like the BBC iPlayer, over their 3G networks, and do this on all phones such as Nokia's.

Phazer
 
I know this is a Mac Forum, but I have always believed that it takes two to tango.

1. Apple chose AT&T because AT&T would bend to Apple's demands.
2. AT&T makes a demand and Apple doesn't care (no revenue stream impact to them, they make enough off the App Store).
3. Fanboys blame AT&T, ignoring the fact that APPLE set most of the terms (if not all of them).

Recognize that Apple made a decision to go to AT&T, not because of need, but because AT&T was willing to accept Apple's conditions (in my opinion with no facts to base this on).

Trying to keep it real in a cloud of FUD (that I am perpetuating!! :eek:)
 
kdarling said:
Download the free Sling app from their website, and it will search out slingboxes on your subnet, and display their information.

Personally, I don't use the box id. I know my home network's external static Cablevision IP address, and I use that. Then I set up my router to pass in the video stream on the usual 5001 port and the only device in the house on that port is my single Slingbox.
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I put my ip address in but don't know where to go to find the PORT?
 
ux4all said:
1. Apple chose AT&T because AT&T would bend to Apple's demands.
2. AT&T makes a demand and Apple doesn't care (no revenue stream impact to them, they make enough off the App Store).
3. Fanboys blame AT&T, ignoring the fact that APPLE set most of the terms (if not all of them).
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I think it's the total opposite:

1. ATT didn't give up anything. Apple came back to ATT because they couldn't get their first choice, Verizon. ATT agreed to give the customer's subsidy to Apple for the first year ("revenue sharing"). No skin off their back. In return, ATT got a very lucrative exclusive.

2. Of course Apple cares about losing app store revenue. If ATT could handle the load, Apple would sell 3G apps in a second.

3. Clearly ATT is the main bad boy here, and even put out a press release trying to explain it away. OTOH, if iPhone apps were sold by third parties like with all other phones, ATT couldn't control this via Apple's cooperation.

It's ironic. For years, Jobs derided carriers and their walled gardens, and promised change. Big deal. Now Apple gets all the app income and control... while ATT still calls the shots on network usage.
 
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