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What about the family plan? Wil it stay at $109 a month for 2 lines...with $29.99 for add-a-line? I hope so.

the basically family plan you are referring to is as follows... these assuming both parties having iphones.

Family Talk 700 mins primary- $60.00
Family Talk 700 mins addalin- $9.99
iPhone UNL data 200txt 1st line -$20
iPhone UNL data 200txt 2nd line-$20

=$109.99

so if u add the new 3G data plans to each it will be $10 + $10... so $129.99 for a basic family talk plans.
 
Additionally, it's insulting for Steve to stand up on stage with a lot of smoke and mirrors about price reduction when in fact it has increased.
$399 to $199 is a decrease. It really is that simple.

When a car manufacturer releases a new model and drops the price $2400 over the previous year's model, that's that. It doesn't matter that the price of gas is up 50% and your insurance premium goes up $500/year when you buy one. The car is cheaper. The other services have their own prices. No one has made any comments about total cost of ownership decreasing.
If Apple make you sign the contract in-store then they will be legally obliged to give you all the information regarding contract costs, service plans etc that pertain to the contract they are selling you.
No. Apple isn't selling you anything but the phone itself. Just like you can select the contract online in your home right now, you will do so prior to purchase here.
And go check o2.co.uk for that info is not a valid answer.
It absolutely is. If O2 is selling the service, you sign up just as you would if you were ordering it from home, using a combination of the website and the support phone number.
Failure to do so would leave Apple open to mis-selling contract claims.
No. Apple isn't selling the service, and you are incorrectly using the mis-sale term. A mis-sold contract is one without the customer and provider both aware. This is not possible here. Apple isn't participating in that transaction.
A case in point- It was ruled many UK endowment mortgages were mis-sold.
Not relevant or comparable. That was a failure of consumers and lenders based on interest-only mortgages. With the iPhone, there's no question about the nature of the agreement.
UK on-line sales are governed by different rules but you have 14 days to cancel the contract under distance selling regulations if you decide to change your mind
Sure. It's a no-penalty cancellation period, but you don't get to keep the phone if you exercise it.
 
dropped calls are caused by faulty sim cards... which SUCKS with the iPhone cause when you activate your phones you are, well, at home!! and when we activate phones in the store (if the rep follows procedure) we put your sim card into a cardreader application that downloads the latest updates which help the signal 10 fold!!!!!!!! that is the one downfall to the at home activations

you should go to a store, get a new sim, activate it here(assuming u have a laptop) then give the sim back to them to update it... guarenteed to help

i do it for all my iphone friends that complain. and the fact that we are 100 yards away from an apple store im always doing it. no one ever comes back to complain after that ;)

Dropped calls are caused by an inferior network...not the helpless sim cards.
 
They would if the hi speed cable was only 2.8 times faster than dial up and you lost the option of ever getting dial up. See the difference??

You didn't lose the option. 1st gen iPhones that work on Edge networks are available on eBay and those prices will become much more reasonable as we get closer and closer to July 11th.

And I'm willing to bet AT&T will make an edge only version of their plan if you really just want to use Edge. You really think they're gonna gouge customers for 3G data when they don't have 3G towers in their area?

A lot of you are freaking out based on speculation.
 
your contract is to stay with at&t, no particular requirement as far as a data or voice plan....

if u have voice and data already chances are your rates wont change. if you are eligable for an upgrade or someone at the store approves it when u go to purchase the new iphone then you will renew your agreement to get the discounted price, they will rid you of your old contract at no penalty due to the new renewal

i've only been with att for a year, so i am not up for an upgrade. if i can't get the discount, can i purchase it out-right? if not, i'll just terminate my contract if this is still true by the 9th, and buy the new iphone with the discount on the 11th
 
You didn't lose the option. 1st gen iPhones that work on Edge networks are available on eBay and those prices will become much more reasonable as we get closer and closer to July 11th.

And I'm willing to bet AT&T will make an edge only version of their plan if you really just want to use Edge. You really think they're gonna gouge customers for 3G data when they don't have 3G towers in their area?

A lot of you are freaking out based on speculation.

Getting a phone on ebay? Whatev. I think your whole post is just speculation. Kettle, your black.
 
Dropped calls are caused by an inferior network...not the helpless sim cards.

promise, unless someone lives in an area where theres literally no service or towers near by, which they can check on a coverage map on our site and zoom in to their location.

signal problems i see are 99% of the time cause by the lack of updates on the sim card. always.
 
So in other words, the price is virtually the same if not more:

$10 * 24 mos = $240 + lots of federal taxes...

If you take Time Value of Money into consideration... that lowers it to about a $200 difference.

Ha, if you really thought Steve Jobs was "lowering the price" because he's a "nice guy", think again. They aren't losing a penny. Rather, they're selling a crapload of cheaper, thicker, plastic phones and reaping the profits! That and now they are luring us in to their application store. And most will likely buy in to Mobile Me for another $99.

Still better than BlackBerry plans @ +$50/mo.

Think about this...

79.99/mo * 24 mos + $199 + Sales tax (9%) +$99 mobile me * 2 = ~$2500

I'd rather have a 32gb ipod touch, a dingy phone with no internet, and a new macbook pro... and no ***** subscriptions or contracts... and get on with life.
 
promise, unless someone lives in an area where theres literally no service or towers near by, which they can check on a coverage map on our site and zoom in to their location.

signal problems i see are 99% of the time cause by the lack of updates on the sim card. always.

I live in zip code 44143, and even though I am in "full" range, my iphone does not work in my house....20+ calls later to ATT and :apple:, still no resolution.
 
Think about this...

79.99/mo * 24 mos + $199 + Sales tax (9%) +$99 mobile me * 2 = ~$2500

I'd rather have a 32gb ipod touch, a dingy phone with no internet, and a new macbook pro... and no ***** subscriptions or contracts... and get on with life.


+1
 
i've only been with att for a year, so i am not up for an upgrade. if i can't get the discount, can i purchase it out-right? if not, i'll just terminate my contract if this is still true by the 9th, and buy the new iphone with the discount on the 11th

so far ive heard nothing of a full price yet.... im sure they wont mind letting u upgrade early for the new phone if youre at the one year mark.
 
heres my entire post from earlier
got a few email from work... heres some info for yall.

-data plan will be $30 for the 3G iPhone, no text included.... u can add text a la carte ($5-200, $15-1500, $20-UNL)

-iPhones will be activated in the store at the time of purchase, whether it is an upgrade or a new activation... then all your iTunes stuff u do at home or w/e

-Pricing shown ($199 & $299) are for new two year agreements for new customers or QUALIFIED upgrading customers renewing. Unlike the 2G iPhone you cant just get this one and have your agreement automatically renewed if you arent already eligable (BUT i will say whenever you come into the stores we are fairly easygoing on over riding that, assuming you are atleast one year into your agreement).

NOW as for existing 2G iphone owners.... depending on contractual status and payment history(on time ya know!!) and account is in good standing we will review the account for an early upgrade, and most likely let you upgrade to the new one...

jus a few things for now... will post more when i know more.

What about current or new Go Phone customers that have/want an iPhone without having/wanting/needing to sign a 2 yr contract?
 
Forget it AT&T !

"...with an unlimited 3G data plan costing $30/month. This is an increase from the current $20/month unlimited EDGE data plan for the 1st generation iPhone."

Screw that! I WAS going to upgrade to a 3G, but not now!

You'd think (hope?) that ceasing the revenue sharing with Apple might help enable them to afford keeping the data plan at the same cost as before...

How long are they going to be the exclusive carrier!?! Perhaps AT&T rates are the reason the iPhone isn't significantly cannibalizing iPod sales!

I guess my tax rebate will stay right where it is after all, in the BANK!
 
They would if the hi speed cable was only 2.8 times faster than dial up and you lost the option of ever getting dial up. See the difference??

So get "dial-up" from another carrier. It's not like Apple is the only game in town! See the difference?
 
Does AT&T require you to purchase a data plan with their other smmartphones? Will they let you just get a voice plan w/ the iPhone?

Since we are forced to the same data plans as all other phones I hope we can just leave out data like all other phones can. I live in a high wifi area and makes no sense for me to buy data ever. Right now i just use an unlocked iphone 1.0 and it works fine for this sort of usage - gps would be nice but whatever, so much for all the iphone hype.
 
Getting a phone on ebay? Whatev. I think your whole post is just speculation. Kettle, your black.

It's certainly no speculation that 1st gen iPhones are available and will continue to be available on eBay. And it certainly stands to reason that the current inflated prices of 1st gen iPhones (due to there lack of availability online and in stores) will rapidly fall beginning today once a larger consumer base learns there is a better device at half the cost out in a month.

What, do you want Apple to keep on selling outdated hardware? You want them to continue to make and sell 1st gen iPods?

I'm no more speculating on AT&T contract terms than anyone else because all we really seem to know for fact, is that 3G data will cost $10 more a month than 2.5G data.

All the other nuances, variables, and what-if's seem to be up in the air.
 
I live in zip code 44143, and even though I am in "full" range, my iphone does not work in my house....20+ calls later to ATT and :apple:, still no resolution.

yea because, sorry i hate this, half of the customer service reps we have are absolutely horrible and have no experience!!!!!!

go to a local corporate store, get a new sim card, it will be free. see if they will activate your iphone there for you, if not take your laptop or jus do it at home if youre close.. a simcard can only recieve the latest downloads immediately(w/ in 30 mins or so) of being activated.

they need to give u a new one, you activate it, then give it back to them for the downloads.... should work for you perfectly after that.
 
$399 to $199 is a decrease. It really is that simple.

When a car manufacturer releases a new model and drops the price $2400 over the previous year's model, that's that. It doesn't matter that the price of gas is up 50% and your insurance premium goes up $500/year when you buy one. The car is cheaper. The other services have their own prices. No one has made any comments about total cost of ownership decreasing.

And at the same time the car manufacturer doesn't lock you into buying gas from one manufacturer or insurance carrier for that matter.
 
Once again, no iphone.

Well, first it was because the iphone can not be unlocked, legally.

Well, now I won't be able to get an iphone for over 2 years because of the contract that I have with AT&T that prevents me from purchasing a new phone until the 2nd year of the contract.

I was truly hoping that I would be able to go and plunk my hard earned money down at the local Apple store (over 2 hours away) and add it to my current plan. Well, now I have been denied that option because I have to have a 'new' 2-year contract with AT&T to get the fantastic quoted pricing. I'm already paying over $200 per month for the gracious 'package pricing' from AT&T that includes my cell phone.

This coupled with the fact that AT&T is spending millions of dollars on lobbyists to avoid prosecution for illegally violating applicable laws by recklessly recording and distributing information from the citizens of the United States private telephone and internet communications makes me really hesitant to even want to get an iphone even if I could just go and add it to my account.

To read AT&T's press release is to read it and see the glee that the corporation is taking at finally having the tiger by the tail and not have to share the cream of the no doubt phenomenally successful iphone's effects on their bottom line. I don't want to add to that bottom line. I don't want to encourage the illegality that is the crimes of our government and the crimes of those that callously discard major component parts of the founding documents of this great country.

We are a country that is based on laws and a legal system that has respected the privacy and legal right of its citizens from being interfered with or spied upon by the government that governs this great country.

A fundamental right of the governed in this country is to be free from the continual and purposeless wholesale spying of the governing. In a time where anything that can be discovered can be used against that person by the governing, there is a huge imbalance in the treatment of the governed. I can not, in all good conscience, submit to nor support the illegality perpetrated by the Bush administration and AT&T and others.

I WILL NOT PURCHASE AN IPHONE. I WILL NOT CONTRIBUTE TO A CORPORATION THAT WILL TREAT MY PRIVACY WITH SUCH MALICE AND CARELESSNESS. :mad:
 
At&t will also charge you $36 for an activation fee.

$199: 8GB iPhone
$1439: $59.99 Voice plan x 24months
$720: $30 3G data plan x 24months
$120: 5$-200 txt message place x24months
$36: Activation fee

Total cost: $2514

That's a pretty steep pill to swallow for existing iPhone owners. I think I'll stick with my current iPhone for another year and save the money. I was thinking of upgrading for the extra GBs (which would bump the cost up $100 for the 16GB), but I don't know if it's really worth it FOR ME. For others, it very well could be.

For one more year, I get data+text for only $240 (edge+200txts) with my current iPhone, where as with 3G I'd have to pay $420 (3G+200txts).
 
$399 to $199 is a decrease. It really is that simple.

When a car manufacturer releases a new model and drops the price $2400 over the previous year's model, that's that. It doesn't matter that the price of gas is up 50% and your insurance premium goes up $500/year when you buy one. The car is cheaper. The other services have their own prices. No one has made any comments about total cost of ownership decreasing.

If you buy a 3G iPhone in the U.S. and want to take advantages of the features that justify buying a 3G iPhone in the first place, you're locked into AT&T's data plan rates. You can't comparison shop for services. The car analogy is therefore a poor one because a car manufacturer doesn't lock you into one insurance company or one gas company.
 
Well, first it was because the iphone can not be unlocked, legally.

Well, now I won't be able to get an iphone for over 2 years because of the contract that I have with AT&T that prevents me from purchasing a new phone until the 2nd year of the contract.

I was truly hoping that I would be able to go and plunk my hard earned money down at the local Apple store (over 2 hours away) and add it to my current plan. Well, now I have been denied that option because I have to have a 'new' 2-year contract with AT&T to get the fantastic quoted pricing. I'm already paying over $200 per month for the gracious 'package pricing' from AT&T that includes my cell phone.

This coupled with the fact that AT&T is spending millions of dollars on lobbyists to avoid prosecution for illegally violating applicable laws by recklessly recording and distributing information from the citizens of the United States private telephone and internet communications makes me really hesitant to even want to get an iphone even if I could just go and add it to my account.

To read AT&T's press release is to read it and see the glee that the corporation is taking at finally having the tiger by the tail and not have to share the cream of the no doubt phenomenally successful iphone's effects on their bottom line. I don't want to add to that bottom line. I don't want to encourage the illegality that is the crimes of our government and the crimes of those that callously discard major component parts of the founding documents of this great country.

We are a country that is based on laws and a legal system that has respected the privacy and legal right of its citizens from being interfered with or spied upon by the government that governs this great country.

A fundamental right of the governed in this country is to be free from the continual and purposeless wholesale spying of the governing. In a time where anything that can be discovered can be used against that person by the governing, there is a huge imbalance in the treatment of the governed. I can not, in all good conscience, submit to nor support the illegality perpetrated by the Bush administration and AT&T and others.

I WILL NOT PURCHASE AN IPHONE. I WILL NOT CONTRIBUTE TO A CORPORATION THAT WILL TREAT MY PRIVACY WITH SUCH MALICE AND CARELESSNESS. :mad:


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