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Oh Boy. I saved approximately $605 (I am about to be a freshman in college) for the iphone and was delighted that the phone would be reduced about $200 (I am planning on getting the 16GB) but also annoyed at the $10 increase. I will be paying for the phone with the money I saved but my mother will be paying the $35/month fee. I just can't believe I have to wait another month.

I have a question though. My city that I will be attending college for has 3G coverage although my home city doesn't (but a nearby city West Palm Beach does)..what does that mean for me?
 
I have a question though. My city that I will be attending college for has 3G coverage although my home city doesn't (but a nearby city West Palm Beach does)..what does that mean for me?

It means you will have 3G at college and EDGE at home.
 
Alright. That's what I thought.. but my mom was convinced that because I live in a city that is near one that 3G covers that I would get 3G.
 
Jobs also said it was 'thinner' - when it is 7.9% larger by volume.
Wow, you people will really twist anything in order to complain. I always hope it's just Internet people, but sadly whinier and whinier people march into my office with each passing year.
I don't see why everyone is blaming this on AT&T... Seems to me that the real problem isn't just the price hike of the plans, it's that Steve Jobs announced that Apple wanted to recognise that cost was an impediment to iPhone ownership, so they were cutting the price by $200. --> Which sounded great and got us all excited.
Because it lowers the barrier to entry. It's $200 cheaper to get the phone. The service price never had anything to do with it. iPhone plans have been priced aggressively for their featureset.
Then we learn that although Steve said that he was "cutting the price by $200" he was actually RAISING the price by $160.
No, it's up $40. If you choose to add the text option, it's up a bit more. You see, you ask for more options, but when they give them to you, you still manage to complain.

The dollar crashed. Strict numeric prices weren't going to fall. That would be ridiculous. Adding in text messaging, $120, is a total increase of $160. Considering the inflationary pressures, plan pricing is actually pretty close to par.
But this was a lame move on Steve's part - a deliberate ploy to fool people who couldn't afford an iPhone into getting one when now they REALLY can't afford it.
Given the typical wireless bill, it's a steal. Very few people opt for the low-end plan. Its price/value ratio is terrible. AT&T's most popular plan is $59.99, and I've heard that the typical bill is about $74 for individual customers. With the iPhone 3G, you're looking at about the same, unless you add texts.

Factor in the $200 cheaper phone, and the issue was squarely addressed, particularly considering that $1400 last year is $1530 today. If you want to factor irrelevant costs into the "more expensive" iPhone, consider that. The total price of the plan would have to go UP $140 to be the same value as it was in June 2007.

Without the text messages, TCO in real dollars is down. Even with it, it's only up $20 over the life on the contract, which is more than offset by the $200 price reduction of the hardware.
And this is not AT&T's fault - remember that Apple banks loads of cash from these service plans as well.
No they don't. The revenue sharing is over.
2yrs of service on the 450min plan, with data:
24 x (39.99+20) = roughly $1440

2yrs of service on the 450min plan (3g) with data:
24 x (39.99+30) = $1679
$1440 in 2008 dollars = $1564 (add the iPhone, and you're up to $1964)
Add the iPhone 3G, and you've got...$1879.

Real cost is still down, all things considered. Since you're considering the price of the plan, you must also account for the one year gap between plan announcements. I've even given you the benefit of a 2G iPhone purchase in today's dollars at today's $399 price.
 
okay! So If You Have A Current Iphone 2g And U Upgrade To An Iphone 3g U Can Keep Your Current $20 Rate!!!! The $30 Rate Will Only Be For New Iphone Users...

Sorry To Everyone I Told Different!
 
okay! So If You Have A Current Iphone 2g And U Upgrade To An Iphone 3g U Can Keep Your Current $20 Rate!!!! The $30 Rate Will Only Be For New Iphone Users...

Sorry To Everyone I Told Different!

So would it still be EDGE only? Are you saying that when i go into Apple to purchase my iPhone3G, I will be able to keep my current data plans including the 200 texts for $20, and not have to update to the $30 plan at all?
 
okay! So If You Have A Current Iphone 2g And U Upgrade To An Iphone 3g U Can Keep Your Current $20 Rate!!!! The $30 Rate Will Only Be For New Iphone Users...

Sorry To Everyone I Told Different!

Oh wow. Lucky users.


I was re-reading an old iPhone pricing pamphlet and it said for the family plan, data "applies to two iPhones, additional iPhones cost $29.99 per line". (which I understand is the $9.99 per line + the old price of $20 for data)

Does that mean one data plan ($30) covers two iPhones? Or for each iPhone (under a family plan) I have to get a data plan, meaning $60 for two iPhones, $90 for three, etc.? If you could shed any light on this I'd appreciate it!
 
Will the iPhone 3G now qualify for Premier discounts?

On the AT&T conference call they said they're now going to treat the iPhone "more" like other PDAs. I hope that means corporate discounts now apply.

And if it does qualify, is the data plan then $30 or $45? Is the $45 plan something especially expensive just for the iPhone is do all PDAs have the same requirement.
 
So would it still be EDGE only? Are you saying that when i go into Apple to purchase my iPhone3G, I will be able to keep my current data plans including the 200 texts for $20, and not have to update to the $30 plan at all?

u get ur same exact $20 data w/ 200txt and 3G speeds!
 
Oh wow. Lucky users.


I was re-reading an old iPhone pricing pamphlet and it said for the family plan, data "applies to two iPhones, additional iPhones cost $29.99 per line". (which I understand is the $9.99 per line + the old price of $20 for data)

Does that mean one data plan ($30) covers two iPhones? Or for each iPhone (under a family plan) I have to get a data plan, meaning $60 for two iPhones, $90 for three, etc.? If you could shed any light on this I'd appreciate it!

that pamphlet would have been for anyone with or purchasing the 2G iphone, it will now be $9.99 per each additional line + $30 data... so $30 per iphone covers the data side, then the voice plan is on top of that, the primary plus the addalines.
 
Will the iPhone 3G now qualify for Premier discounts?

On the AT&T conference call they said they're now going to treat the iPhone "more" like other PDAs. I hope that means corporate discounts now apply.

And if it does qualify, is the data plan then $30 or $45? Is the $45 plan something especially expensive just for the iPhone is do all PDAs have the same requirement.

premier discounts as far as off of your monthly costs or the device itself?? im sure there will be no discounts off the device, but i have not heard anything about whether they will allow monthly discounts or not.

the $45 is for someone that is either on a corporate/small biz account or needs the corporate exchange server access. it will definately not be required for someone who just has a personal account that is recieving a corporate discount, you can just use the $30 data in that case.
 
u get ur same exact $20 data w/ 200txt and 3G speeds!

that doesnt make sense to me because when you upgrade your iphone your signing a new contract which means you agree to the new terms of $40 voice & $30 data. do we not get the 200 or w.e texts in the $30 data?
 
u get ur same exact $20 data w/ 200txt and 3G speeds!

Call me a skeptic but i agree with the person below. It just doesn't make sense to me. Also, why is this the first we are hearing this? I read the emails and it didn't say that in any of them.

that doesnt make sense to me because when you upgrade your iphone your signing a new contract which means you agree to the new terms of $40 voice & $30 data. do we not get the 200 or w.e texts in the $30 data?

No, it now costs $5 for 200 text messages.
 
Thanks for the reply. Yes, i was asking about Premier discounts on service, ie monthly cost.

If AT&T really does treat the iPhone 3G like any other PDA, such as a Blackberry, then its interesting to note that apparently the data plan is optional. Base data plan is $30, but you can choose no data plan.

I wonder if AT&T will allow that. That maybe interesting given that there are so many WiFi hot spots available.

Any idea when AT&T will update their website? I can't believe its over 24 hours after an announce that was known for months and AT&T still haven't updated the site. When I look at it, there's still an iPhone picture you can click on, but then it puts up a screen something about no phones match the search criteria.

Makes AT&T not look very professional.
 
Call me a skeptic but i agree with the person below. It just doesn't make sense to me. Also, why is this the first we are hearing this? I read the emails and it didn't say that in any of them.



No, it now costs $5 for 200 text messages.

that doesnt make sense to me because when you upgrade your iphone your signing a new contract which means you agree to the new terms of $40 voice & $30 data. do we not get the 200 or w.e texts in the $30 data?

lol when u sign a new contract it is that you stay with at&t, there may be requirements that the iphone has to be on a $39.99+ voice plan. BUT like i said if someone is using the existing 2G iphone with whatever data plan they have, the will be grandfathered in and not forced to change to the $30 data plan if they upgrade to the 3G iphone, only new iphone users will be required to sign up for the new $30 data plan that includes no texts.
 
Um, the iPhone rate plan has always been pricy. This isn't new. Cell phone data plans are very expensive, especially when you get unlimited ones. How much are you paying for your internet over the same 2 year period of time? Almost the same amount.
 
particularly considering that $1400 last year is $1530 today. If you want to factor irrelevant costs into the "more expensive" iPhone, consider that. The total price of the plan would have to go UP $140 to be the same value as it was in June 2007.
Real cost is still down, all things considered. Since you're considering the price of the plan, you must also account for the one year gap between plan announcements.

How do you calculate to think that the annual inflation rate in the United States is over 9 percent? I presume that's what you're trying to say when you say that "$1400 last year is $1530 today"?

The average inflation rate over the past 12 months is approximately 3%.

http://inflationdata.com/inflation/Inflation_Rate/CurrentInflation.asp


No, it's up $40. If you choose to add the text option, it's up a bit more. You see, you ask for more options, but when they give them to you, you still manage to complain. [...] Without the text messages, TCO in real dollars is down.

To make any sort of fair comparison the texts need to be considered, so that we're comparing apples to apples. Because people send texts, and they have to pay for them.

Given the typical wireless bill, it's a steal.

I couldn't agree more, but that doesn't change the face that it'll be costing consumers more. Yes, it has more features. No, it isn't "200 more affordable" as Steve implied. And yes, it will certainly make more people buy the phone, since people pay far more attention the pricetags than the cost of paying things off in the long run - which is why the US is on the verge of drowning in credit card debt.
 
Um, the iPhone rate plan has always been pricy. This isn't new. Cell phone data plans are very expensive, especially when you get unlimited ones. How much are you paying for your internet over the same 2 year period of time? Almost the same amount.

Sure, they were pricey before. But what about the people like me than can simply not afford the $10 extra. I'm fine with the old iPhone plan, I have the $30 one (that's with 1500 SMS...) but the same thing on a new iphone would cost me what? $45? nope, I'd rather be able to eat everyday and pay my rent. TYVM. :)
 
lol when u sign a new contract it is that you stay with at&t, there may be requirements that the iphone has to be on a $39.99+ voice plan. BUT like i said if someone is using the existing 2G iphone with whatever data plan they have, the will be grandfathered in and not forced to change to the $30 data plan if they upgrade to the 3G iphone, only new iphone users will be required to sign up for the new $30 data plan that includes no texts.
Is this in an email that you could "accidentally" post?

Do you think we could "upgrade" to the 3G plan but keep using our EDGE iPhones? I only ask cause with FAN my bill would be about the same and it looks like the old plan still wont be able to us FAN.
 
lol when u sign a new contract it is that you stay with at&t, there may be requirements that the iphone has to be on a $39.99+ voice plan. BUT like i said if someone is using the existing 2G iphone with whatever data plan they have, the will be grandfathered in and not forced to change to the $30 data plan if they upgrade to the 3G iphone, only new iphone users will be required to sign up for the new $30 data plan that includes no texts.

So what if I am on a family plan? Does the same hold up? I'm still confused as to why you are the only one sharing this information...Not saying i don't believe you, but its a big deal, and i like proof. =]
 
Sorry if this has been asked, but is there any chance of getting a 3G iPhone, but only with a voice plan & 200 texts? I don't need data badly enough to pay $30 a month.
 
Sorry if this has been asked, but is there any chance of getting a 3G iPhone, but only with a voice plan & 200 texts? I don't need data badly enough to pay $30 a month.

I am almost positive this is a no...
 
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