Atomic Hybrid Composite Case IP4

[chris975d]

Considering all my "facts" on delrin are coming from either people that use it/work with it on a daily basis, or straight from distributors themselves (I've posted charts and links wherever necessary), tell me what I've been "wrong" on. And "any case" would have been damaged? How far did you drop it? I can name plenty of cases that will survive a heck of a drop and not be damaged in the slightest way. Heck, the impactband can be dropped from 16 feet repeatedly and not scratch the phone nor the case. And it's a very simple bumper style band made of TPU. So I doubt "any case" would break. Many wouldn't.

Would you like to see a video of me dropping my iPhone 4 from shoulder height onto a tile bathroom floor with the RAW installed?

No but what your not getting is that the case did it's job! Yes it cracked but the phone was intact. Now do you honestly think the raw would provide the same protection? I think it would break the glass everytime because it directly sits on it. It just seems that you think your an expert in Delrin but some of your facts are incorrect. I can use google too! But the bottom line is that if I had to sacrifice a case to save my phone so be it because technically that's what it's for. Any case dropped from that distance would have damaged the case, aluminum or Delrin or plastic or whatever!

 

[NancyZ]

A pair of the Hybrids showed up at my office today. I must say the finish is perfect, and the fit is tight! Thanks guys, you are right on the money, same signal with or without this case on!! Pics as soon as I find some batteries for my crappy digicam.


Mark

 

[glen e]

Consider me an Atomic cheerleader for 3 reasons:
1. order process was simple and they answer their emails immediately
2. they ship on time
3. their case works - better than any of the others out there

plain and simple.

 

[ufcfighter]

I would love to see that. But it still doesn't make up for the fact that it's not very attractive and it hurts the he'll out of your hand. And the Delrin they use is none of which you have mentioned from what I have been told.

Considering all my "facts" on delrin are coming from either people that use it/work with it on a daily basis, or straight from distributors themselves (I've posted charts and links wherever necessary), tell me what I've been "wrong" on. And "any case" would have been damaged? How far did you drop it? I can name plenty of cases that will survive a heck of a drop and not be damaged in the slightest way. Heck, the impactband can be dropped from 16 feet repeatedly and not scratch the phone nor the case. And it's a very simple bumper style band made of TPU. So I doubt "any case" would break. Many wouldn't.

Would you like to see a video of me dropping my iPhone 4 from shoulder height onto a tile bathroom floor with the RAW installed?

 

[Dyspareunia]

I'm not sure what's the deal with the Fusion vs. Atomic Hybrid side-drama going on in this thread (and a few other ones too), but I figure I'll chime in on this, as I've been sporting a black/gunmetal for about 3 weeks now. I absolutely LOVE IT! I've sported various crappy cases on my iPhone 4, and my interest got piqued with the introduction of all aluminum cases. The first was Elementcase's Vapor, which took too damn long on a wait list to bother to order, only to have a ton of reviews of how it was a signal killer. I actually made fun of Atomic's all aluminum model for being a 2nd class knock-off of the Vapor. I ended up waiting for launch of the Alumacase, based on their testimony that signal problems weren't an issue. That was a load of crap... I bought two on faith, a red and pink, which was a huge waste of money and time. The Alumacases put a hurting on my cell signal and obliterated my gps lock completely, though cell strength was already a partial issue where I live, but gps not at all. I swore off aluminum cases, as you can't defy physics - look up "faraday cage". The other aluminum cases, except the blade, are just ugly or plain or just plain ugly. I read about this hybrid concept and was hopefully...

So, I waited for proper reviews of the hybrid and with the initial positive reviews, I cautiously ordered one as a tester, before getting one for the wife. The results are exactly as stated by those in this thread. No significant signal erosion that can't be attributed to just AT&T alone and gps appears to be unaffected. I have a 2nd order that has just shipped out which will end up adorning the wife's iPhone. I don't have any opinions on Atomic's customer support, as I've not had to engage them for anything, which is a good thing. I would definitely say this is a worthwhile bumper/case that doesn't kill the already fragile functionality of the iPhone 4. Like many of the other guys in the thread, my search for that "ultimate" iphone 4 case/enclosure is done. Personally, any new cases for me would be pointless as in 6 months or so, I know I'll be shedding the iPhone for the newest.

 

[chris975d]

I would love to see that. But it still doesn't make up for the fact that it's not very attractive and it hurts the he'll out of your hand. And the Delrin they use is none of which you have mentioned from what I have been told.

There's only two kinds of white and black delrin, but ok. Unless they are actually using a competitor's product like Ertalyte or equivalent. And I've already posted the video in the Raw thread just now, but here is a quick link to that post.


https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/11517686/

And go check out Larry Greenberg's (GearDiary) just released review of the RAW to see what what he says about it. Let me quote from him: "...Both WiFi and 3G signal were unaffected as well as GPS. Your mileage may vary of course, but based on my short testing I didn’t experience any major decrease in reception. If losing one bar of signal is a concern for you, I’d venture you’d be better off looking for a new cellular service provider rather than a new case.

Whether it’s the felt lined interior or the open sides I don’t know, I’m no expert. What I do know is that although it’s an aluminum case the Fusionwerkz RAW doesn’t seem, in my limited testing, to have any effect on reception whatsoever. So if you’re looking for a metal styled bumper case for your iPhone 4 you’ll want to check out the Fusionwerkz RAW. It’s sleek and silly smooth in the hand, offers a good amount of stylish shock and impact protection without sacrificing any usability."

That's the last I'll post about the Raw in this thread, as this is an Atomic thread. Any continued discussion on the Raw will be in the other thread.

 

[ufcfighter]

I know, I seen you kissing his a## on his twitter page. I think atomic has contacted him and gear diary for real factual testing, not just opinion based testing which can be swong in any direction that particular tester wants to. Submit the raw for a real test and then we will see which performs better. But I am still saying, the raw hurt my gps and 3G and others have said the same so a 5 minute video by Larry really doesn't prove anything besides his bars didn't drop. I didn't see him take it for a drive or do a 3G test but whatever you say.

There's only two kinds of white and black delrin, but ok. Unless they are actually using a competitor's product like Ertalyte or equivalent. And I've already posted the video in the Raw thread just now, but here is a quick link to that post.


https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/11517686/

And go check out Larry Greenberg's (GearDiary) just released review of the RAW to see what what he says about it. Let me quote from him: "...Both WiFi and 3G signal were unaffected as well as GPS. Your mileage may vary of course, but based on my short testing I didn’t experience any major decrease in reception. If losing one bar of signal is a concern for you, I’d venture you’d be better off looking for a new cellular service provider rather than a new case.

Whether it’s the felt lined interior or the open sides I don’t know, I’m no expert. What I do know is that although it’s an aluminum case the Fusionwerkz RAW doesn’t seem, in my limited testing, to have any effect on reception whatsoever. So if you’re looking for a metal styled bumper case for your iPhone 4 you’ll want to check out the Fusionwerkz RAW. It’s sleek and silly smooth in the hand, offers a good amount of stylish shock and impact protection without sacrificing any usability."

That's the last I'll post about the Raw in this thread, as this is an Atomic thread. Any continued discussion on the Raw will be in the other thread.

 

[chris975d]

And I've also stated many times that the Atomic hybrid should outperform any all aluminum (or titanium, or whatever metal you want to use) and perform just like a plastic case...because....it's plastic. And on top of that, delrin (as I've shown with quite a few links to retailers that even the Average Joe can purchase from) isn't really that expensive. Again, YOU ARE CORRECT in that I don't know what Atomic is paying for delrin, but I will say that if they are paying more than you and I (and anyone else) can buy it for...they are paying way too much. Especially in the bulk that they buy. And as they've told me in several emails, it's delrin...not magic delrin, or special delrin...just delrin.

You get very, very defensive about this case, don't you? You see any personal insults from me directed at you? Have I said you're "kissing anyone's a**?" Why is it that you can't talk calmly about a case, and instead resort to teenager type comments?

I know, I seen you kissing his a## on his twitter page. I think atomic has contacted him and gear diary for real factual testing, not just opinion based testing which can be swong in any direction that particular tester wants to. Submit the raw for a real test and then we will see which performs better. But I am still saying, the hurt my gps and 3G and others have said the same so a 5 minute video by Larry really doesn't prove anything besides his bars didn't drop. I didn't see him take it for a drive or do a 3G test but whatever you say.

 

[Dyspareunia]

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And go check out Larry Greenberg's (GearDiary) just released review of the RAW to see what what he says about it.

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On the topic of Larry Greenberg's reviews. They are helpful, however, having watched nearly all his iPhone 4 related youtube reviews of cases he's had gotten his hands on, he does have a high tendency to say "I really like this case" or "I'm really liking this case" to almost all the cases. I like his video reviews, but I don't think he's ever really said anything bad/disparaging about any of the cases that vendors have supplied gratis for review, even if they were sorta meh/mediocre. His reviews are pretty spot on with regards to form and they are great way to see a product before you buy or you try or buy to try. The reviews don't always represent true case functionality countrywide, as signal issues vary according to where you live or are situated. So to quote his review that the signal was great for him with the RAW on, would only be useful if you happened to live with him in his house or immediately surrounding it.

My only opinion of the RAW is it's kinda boring/not visually exciting, even if it didn't put a dent on signal strength, but that's just me.

 

[chris975d]

On the topic of Larry Greenberg's reviews. They are helpful, however, having watched nearly all his iPhone 4 related youtube reviews of cases he's had gotten his hands on, he does have a high tendency to say "I really like this case" or "I'm really liking this case" to almost all the cases. I like his video reviews, but I don't think he's ever really said anything bad/disparaging about any of the cases that vendors have supplied gratis for review, even if they were sorta meh/mediocre. His reviews are pretty spot on with regards to form and they are great way to see a product before you buy or you try or buy to try. The reviews don't always represent true case functionality countrywide, as signal issues vary according to where you live or are situated. So to quote his review that the signal was great for him with the RAW on, would only be useful if you happened to live with him in his house or immediately surrounding it.

My only opinion of the RAW is it's kinda boring/not visually exciting, even if it didn't put a dent on signal strength, but that's just me.

Your opinion is fine! I like to hear other people's opinion. And you could be right about the design of the Raw being "boring", I could see that. All I've ever said is that it's the best performing all aluminum case I've tried out of all of them out there. And I've tried it in many different signal strength areas, from -80dB down to -110dB. But you are also right in that people in different regions tend to see different results with different cases. As I've noted before, look at the people that get good results with the Element Vapor (and we all know of it's reputation for killing signal). Fusionwerkz went through a few different designs before release, so it might be the only design they could come up with that worked optimally.
I like the looks of the Atomic, just not real fond of the choice of delrin as a material, without a change in design. And as far as Larry never saying anything negative, I do see him saying that "he really likes _____" a lot, but also remember that it was him and GearDiary that shredded the Element Vapor for it's signal killing nature, so he/they will say when something doesn't work.

 

[ufcfighter]

I was trying to be polite about all this Chris but honestly you come across as a know it all. You think you know everything about everything. And what part of Delrin "composite" don't you understand? It's NOT just Delrin but that's all you ever bring up, you tend to leave out the cost of manufacturing the product and how much the composite they are using costs or even exactly what composite they are using. You just seem to be stuck on the Delrin part and forget about the rest of the case! I would bet you anything that is costs ATLEAST twice as much as to make the hybrid compared to the raw if not four times as much. When you buy the raw all your paying for is the bag and tin because he probably doesn't have 10 bucks total in the case!!

And I've also stated many times that the Atomic hybrid should outperform any all aluminum (or titanium, or whatever metal you want to use) and perform just like a plastic case...because....it's plastic. And on top of that, delrin (as I've shown with quite a few links to retailers that even the Average Joe can purchase from) isn't really that expensive. Again, YOU ARE CORRECT in that I don't know what Atomic is paying for delrin, but I will say that if they are paying more than you and I (and anyone else) can buy it for...they are paying way too much. Especially in the bulk that they buy. And as they've told me in several emails, it's delrin...not magic delrin, or special delrin...just delrin.

You get very, very defensive about this case, don't you? You see any personal insults from me directed at you? Have I said you're "kissing anyone's a**?" Why is it that you can't talk calmly about a case, and instead resort to teenager type comments?

 

[chris975d]

When I don't know something about a topic, I refer to people who do. If by "composite" delrin, you mean a compound that Atomic has invented and none of the 3 larger distributors of delrin(and most other plastics) know about or have even heard of from Dow, then maybe. But if all you mean by "composite" is a delrin piece with a baked on coating, like Atomic HAS admitted to using to even other posters in this thread, then ok. Technically it'd be a "composite" material since it's delrin with a thin coating. But how good did that hold up for you in your drop? Did your phone come out ok? You've already gave us both those answers.

I was trying to be polite about all this Chris but honestly you come across as a know it all. You think you know everything about everything. And what part of Delrin "composite" don't you understand? It's NOT just Delrin but that's all you ever bring up, you tend to leave out the cost of manufacturing the product and how much the composite they are using costs or even exactly what composite they are using. You just seem to be stuck on the Delrin part and forget about the rest of the case! I would bet you anything that is costs ATLEAST twice as much as to make the hybrid compared to the raw if not four times as much. When you buy the raw all your paying for is the bag and tin because he probably doesn't have 10 bucks total in the case!!

 

[ufcfighter]

My phone was fine, just a scratch. Nothing a case can do about the internals of the phone! And honestly the looks and everything else, the cases don't even compare. Looks, performane or anything. Like I said, if fusion was so confident in their product they would back it longer than 5 days!!! But if he backed it for much longer than that he would have a 100% return rate!What a joke!

When I don't know something about a topic, I refer to people who do. If by "composite" delrin, you mean a compound that Atomic has invented and none of the 3 larger distributors of delrin(and most other plastics) know about or have even heard of from Dow, then maybe. But if all you mean by "composite" is a delrin piece with a baked on coating, like Atomic HAS admitted to using to even other posters in this thread, then ok. Technically it'd be a "composite" material since it's delrin with a thin coating. But how good did that hold up for you in your drop? Did your phone come out ok? You've already gave us both those answers.

 

[chris975d]

A case can't do anything about the internals of a phone? Ooook. Do you ever see a phone dropped in a Otterbox break the internals of the phone? Or the impactband? Or the Tech21 band? That last one has been dropped of the second story of a building. The case design matters in the DISSIPATION of the energy transferred during impact. Disipate it around the device, not through it. And yes, you may have had a defective phone. But that'd be irony in an of itself that the most vocal fan of Atomic, of all people, got an internally defective phone that broke while in said case. And as far as the visual design o the Atomic, yes, I like it, but let's not go there. Maybe give credit to the originators of that design....you know, the case that came out with the same design 2 months before Atomic.

My phone was fine, just a scratch. Nothing a case can do about the internals of the phone! And honestly the looks and everything else, the cases don't even compare. Looks, performane or anything. Like I said, if fusion was so confident in their product they would back it longer than 5 days!!! But if he backed it for much longer than that he would have a 100% return rate!What a joke!

 

[ufcfighter]

5 days man, that's all I got to say, 5 days. Tell him to bump it up so I can return mine please. It's a waste of a good piece of aluminum !!

A case can't do anything about the internals of a phone? Ooook. Do you ever see a phone dropped in a Otterbox break the internals of the phone? Or the impactband? Or the Tech21 band? That last one has been dropped of the second story of a building. The case design matters in the DISSIPATION of the energy transferred during impact. Disipate it around the device, not through it. And yes, you may have had a defective phone. But that'd be irony in an of itself that the most vocal fan of Atomic, of all people, got an internally defective phone that broke while in said case. And as far as the visual design o the Atomic, yes, I like it, but let's not go there. Maybe give credit to the originators of that design....you know, the case that came out with the same design 2 months before Atomic.

 

[chris975d]

Wow nolesfan, jr. So after everything I've said, that's all you can come back with? If you want to return it now, tell me... Why didn't you return it in the first 5 days? Let me guess...it suddenly stopped working on day 6? Shouldn't if have worked just as "crapily" in the first 5 days? Yet you kept it? Ooook.

5 days man, that's all I got to say, 5 days. Tell him to bump it up so I can return mine please. It's a waste of a good piece of aluminum !!

 

[ufcfighter]

Plus you seem to forget that Phil "fusion" is using some of my ideas that I suggested to him. So yea I work for atomic but give advice to competitors!! I'm just nice like that. I like to help out the competition!

 

[NancyZ]

Considering all my "facts" on delrin are coming from either people that use it/work with it on a daily basis, or straight from distributors themselves (I've posted charts and links wherever necessary), tell me what I've been "wrong" on. And "any case" would have been damaged? How far did you drop it? I can name plenty of cases that will survive a heck of a drop and not be damaged in the slightest way. Heck, the impactband can be dropped from 16 feet repeatedly and not scratch the phone nor the case. And it's a very simple bumper style band made of TPU. So I doubt "any case" would break. Many wouldn't.

Would you like to see a video of me dropping my iPhone 4 from shoulder height onto a tile bathroom floor with the RAW installed?

Delrin is one of the strongest plastics plain and simple. I use it for fly fishing reels for reasons abs and polycarbonates wouldnt last 1/100th the abuse.

Second, consider Delrin and impact like a VOLVO... the properties of delrin is to absorb energy. Absorbing energy and impact resistant are not necessarily the same thing. Absorbing energy is exactly what happens in UFC's case as in a VOLVO. The part will take the impact and absorb it to absconding the stress from the internals.

Coming on here with half truths and act like a Delrin expert when you clearly are dead wrong on is just plain wrong. So you found one site that stated Delrin is cheaper when 100 others state is more expensive?

What appealed to me about these cases was the Delrin or composite this was made of, the fact that its still CNC'd and retains the all aluminum look wihtout the all aluminum signal headaches. Delrin is CNC'able vs. other plastics though its harder to. Its slippery, and tends to get away from the end mills. I deal with this on a daily basis. However if you know what you are doing, the result is a masterpiece, as I feel how the lines on these cases are.

 

[chris975d]

You're talking about the same delrin that every raw materials ordering guide lists as not impact resistant, right? Yes, it's a strong plastic, tensile strength wise. Do you know the difference in tensile strength and impact strength? Ufcfighter's case can show you the difference. The broken one... Want to explain the chart that I posted in the other thread that shows how low it's impact resistance is compared to other plastics? And I suppose all 3 vendors that sell delrin that I've mentioned that show there's less than $10 cost in a block of delrin big enough to make this case are also all "exceptions"?

Delrin is one of the strongest plastics plain and simple. I use it for fly fishing reels for reasons abs and polycarbonates wouldnt last 1/100th the abuse.

Second, consider Delrin and impact like a VOLVO... the properties of delrin is to absorb energy. Absorbing energy and impact resistant are not necessarily the same thing. Absorbing energy is exactly what happens in UFC's case as in a VOLVO. The part will take the impact and absorb it to absconding the stress from the internals.

Coming on here with half truths and act like a Delrin expert when you clearly are dead wrong on is just plain wrong. So you found one site that stated Delrin is cheaper when 100 others state is more expensive?

What appealed to me about these cases was the Delrin or composite this was made of, the fact that its still CNC'd and retains the all aluminum look wihtout the all aluminum signal headaches. Delrin is CNC'able vs. other plastics though its harder to. Its slippery, and tends to get away from the end mills. I deal with this on a daily basis. However if you know what you are doing, the result is a masterpiece, as I feel how the lines on these cases are.

 

[appleexpert15]

I have been eyeballing this case real hard also. Seems to be getting good reviews. How is everyone liking it and what are the wait times to get one?

 

[appleexpert15]

Well after reading some reviews on several cases I decided to go ahead and pull the trigger on a black/orange hybrid. It just seemed like the most sensible case to go with. The looks and functionality kind of sealed it for me. The color was the hardest part but I was told that they will be making caps available shortly so that is a good thing. Hopefully it shows up pretty soon.

 

[lskeys]

I pulled the trigger black/gunmetal. Really happy I did. Was not happy with the shipping charge. Over $13.08 for Fed ex. Kind of steep. But the case looks great!1 Hope they ship soon.

 

[barkingDog]

... <snip> ...

I realize these were 'one-offs' and not made for public consumption (at the time of this original post) -- but man, copper would add a unique look.

Any news on mass production (or even special order) of these gems?

If not, I'm thinkin' Black/Gunmetal.

 

[NancyZ]

I realize these were 'one-offs' and not made for public consumption (at the time of this original post) -- but man, copper would add a unique look.

Any news on mass production (or even special order) of these gems?

If not, I'm thinkin' Black/Gunmetal.

+1 but this woman would disagree

 

[damant]

Need a little help.
I forgot to place the order for the carbon fiber back plate when I ordered my case. I would hate to pay $10 for shipping an $15 item that's paper weight;-)
Any idea?