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ATT Next is a huge scam! Is it still possible to get 2 year iPhone 6s+ contract w AT&T?
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Doubt it, but if it makes you happy then more power to ya.
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Doubt it, but if it makes you happy then more power to ya.
Doesn't matter if you doubt it
This is really simple math here that you are not getting.
2 year contract around 600 and I get to sell the phone a year later and keep the profit of around 600
ATT next around 600 for the first year at which point if I sell it I am responsible for paying off another 8 months of payments .
As I said I am On an unlimited data plan so reduced ATT next rate does not apply
How can anyone argue that ATT next is the better option of the two?
Let's be honest, there is no affordable option for those who want both plentiful data and flagship phones. The only way to truly save money is to be off contract AND buy inexpensive phones. With 2-yr contracts, it made sense to buy the most expensive phone in a carrier's inventory because you're paying a portion up front anyway, and because you paid a higher line charge no matter what phone you had. With off-contract or Next, you no longer have that surcharge on each line that is off-contract.
To REALLY take advantage of the "new" way of billing customers (which admittedly just flips the traditional model on its head and focuses on data charges), you could do the following:
Instead of buying a new flagship phone from Apple or Samsung, either buy an older model OR buy a new mid-range phone like the Moto X or One Plus 2. With these phones you can save the extra $25/mo line charge AND finance a phone that is only about $400, rather than $700-1000 (or for some people, the $230 Moto G would be a great inexpensive choice). If you keep the phone the same amount of time as you would a new iPhone or Galaxy, you've just saved yourself several hundred dollars.
But we want it all. We want the newest, most powerful shiny devices, and someone has to pay for them. So in one sense, I don't blame the carriers for wanting us to finance our own phones. But let's not be gullible either... it's quite true that overall mobile service has gotten more expensive even if you do finance your own device. By flipping the traditional model (where you were charged for talk minutes and texting) with the data model (where you are charged for a bucket of data), they are squeezing everyone where it hurts the most. This, in return, maximizes the amount of profit they can gleen from each customer.
Those of you on grandfathered plans are sort of in a pickle because the carriers are trying to squeeze you off of these plans (whether it's Verizon, AT&T, or even Sprint). In many cases, it's actually a better deal for customers with unlimited plans to switch to the newer share plans, especially if they have multiple lines of service. Even if you go over your data allotment once in a while, it's still cheaper than holding onto that feeling of having unlimited. Of course, there are those that truly use a TON of data and would have to change behavior if they switched to a share plan. For those customers, go ahead and hold onto that unlimited data as long as you can. I did that for a while on Verizon, but ended up switching back to AT&T because of the limitations on what phones I could use.
In summary, do your homework and see what's the best plan for you and/or your family. Believe me when I say they have statisticians, mathematicians, and financial analysts obsessing over this information to maximize profit. That's what corporations do. Apple does the same thing, which is why they've kept the 16GB tier for this round of iPhone releases. They know 16GB is a paltry amount of storage for modern mobile computing, but they also know a lot of people will buy the 64 or 128GB models. And these models have a higher PROFIT MARGIN by far because memory is really pretty cheap, at least when you realize they are charging $100 more for each bump in storage.
To REALLY take advantage of the "new" way of billing customers (which admittedly just flips the traditional model on its head and focuses on data charges), you could do the following:
Instead of buying a new flagship phone from Apple or Samsung, either buy an older model OR buy a new mid-range phone like the Moto X or One Plus 2. With these phones you can save the extra $25/mo line charge AND finance a phone that is only about $400, rather than $700-1000 (or for some people, the $230 Moto G would be a great inexpensive choice). If you keep the phone the same amount of time as you would a new iPhone or Galaxy, you've just saved yourself several hundred dollars.
But we want it all. We want the newest, most powerful shiny devices, and someone has to pay for them. So in one sense, I don't blame the carriers for wanting us to finance our own phones. But let's not be gullible either... it's quite true that overall mobile service has gotten more expensive even if you do finance your own device. By flipping the traditional model (where you were charged for talk minutes and texting) with the data model (where you are charged for a bucket of data), they are squeezing everyone where it hurts the most. This, in return, maximizes the amount of profit they can gleen from each customer.
Those of you on grandfathered plans are sort of in a pickle because the carriers are trying to squeeze you off of these plans (whether it's Verizon, AT&T, or even Sprint). In many cases, it's actually a better deal for customers with unlimited plans to switch to the newer share plans, especially if they have multiple lines of service. Even if you go over your data allotment once in a while, it's still cheaper than holding onto that feeling of having unlimited. Of course, there are those that truly use a TON of data and would have to change behavior if they switched to a share plan. For those customers, go ahead and hold onto that unlimited data as long as you can. I did that for a while on Verizon, but ended up switching back to AT&T because of the limitations on what phones I could use.
In summary, do your homework and see what's the best plan for you and/or your family. Believe me when I say they have statisticians, mathematicians, and financial analysts obsessing over this information to maximize profit. That's what corporations do. Apple does the same thing, which is why they've kept the 16GB tier for this round of iPhone releases. They know 16GB is a paltry amount of storage for modern mobile computing, but they also know a lot of people will buy the 64 or 128GB models. And these models have a higher PROFIT MARGIN by far because memory is really pretty cheap, at least when you realize they are charging $100 more for each bump in storage.
Very well said.
Those 32,64, 128gb chips cost nowhere near what they charge from $100 to $200 extra for the storage bump.
All these companies care about is their bottom line and their profits and they're not doing anyone any favors by giving them supposedly better deals.
Analyze your plans use, data, and also include the subsidy or payments you will be making for20-24 or even 30 monthly installments to find out what suits your needs better.
Whether you can get away staying for years with an older used device that you can purchase for less and avoid the whole next plan completely to save more money. Or if you need more data, like to get the newer and best device every 20-22 months and also would like to future proof your plan to avoid data overages.
I know many families with younger kids that have smartphones and they blow thru their monthly share plan within a week and then end up charging hundreds of dollars in overages. And then the fights start and the monitoring of data use and back and forth.
My kids like to watch youtube videos in the car. A half hour or an hour of videos per day can rack up over 1GB of data per day. Its very easy to go over and not realize how much data has been consumed.
It isn't for you. It can be for plenty of others on other plans that provide discounts. Thus it's not a scam, just an option that can work better for some and not so much for others (mostly for those on plans that are no longer offered).
You can argue this for another 5 pages, but the FACT is this will be your last upgrade on a 2 year contract. Period. ATT already said 2 year contracts are gone. Period. No further discussion needed.
Like Next or don't you will be on it; and moving carriers wont change everything as the other 3 have no 2 year contracts anymore before the 6S/6S+ cycle.
Like Next or don't you will be on it; and moving carriers wont change everything as the other 3 have no 2 year contracts anymore before the 6S/6S+ cycle.
Id like you to point us all to this "FACT" that AT&T officially announced that they are ending all subsidies. Period.
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I don't think it's "fact" yet but very strong evidence points to it. Google would help you next time.
http://recode.net/2015/06/02/atts-ralph-de-la-vega-subsidized-phones-are-going-away/
Wake me up when it's official and not a guess.
And if or when it's a fact then you can state it as a fact. Period
And if or when it's a fact then you can state it as a fact. Period
Wake me up when it's official and not a guess.
And if or when it's a fact then you can state it as a fact. Period
Welllll... When the President and CEO of the Mobility side of at&t says it's going to go away slowly.... it usually means that it's pretty solid evidence that it's on it's way out.
Going away slowly and ending all subsidies to current customers on older plans is a big difference.
He also said years ago unlimited data plans are going away and are on their way out.
Trying to transition everyone away from old plans, ending it for new customers and enticing the older ones to switch is more like their plan.
Untill something is officially announced its only speculation
Going away slowly and ending all subsidies to current customers on older plans is a big difference.
He also said years ago unlimited data plans are going away and are on their way out.
Trying to transition everyone away from old plans, ending it for new customers and enticing the older ones to switch is more like their plan.
Untill something is officially announced its only speculation
It's a little more than speculation but less than fact. I'll let you just come to terms with that.
I'll come to terms when it actually happens.
Untill then it's just wishful thinking on your part
I'll come to terms when it actually happens.
Untill then it's just wishful thinking on your part
Why would it be wishful on my part? I have nothing against subsidy, and have never said anything against the subsidy. My argument has always been trying to point out that Msv/next is not a bad program.
It's ok he's a Patriots fan. Probably think Brady did nothing wrong either until it's in black and white too.
I'm a Pat's fan as well. And Brady didn't do anything wrong, didn't you watch the news?
I just had to do this.
ASSUMING you are on a mobile shared plan:
If you have under a 10 gig data plan contract pricing.
If you don't, buy the phone outright (which you can do with Next, it's just 0% financing. Or eat the whole cost upfront).
10 gigs and over you get a $25 subsidy each month. Under its $15. It changes everything.
Math on under 10 gigs:
http://www.cnet.com/news/why-at-ts-new-pricing-plans-are-only-a-bargain-for-some/
Math on over:
https://www.reddit.com/r/iphone/comments/2g5l1o/undecided_between_att_next_or_a_subsidy_i_did_the/
ASSUMING you are on a mobile shared plan:
If you have under a 10 gig data plan contract pricing.
If you don't, buy the phone outright (which you can do with Next, it's just 0% financing. Or eat the whole cost upfront).
10 gigs and over you get a $25 subsidy each month. Under its $15. It changes everything.
Math on under 10 gigs:
http://www.cnet.com/news/why-at-ts-new-pricing-plans-are-only-a-bargain-for-some/
Math on over:
https://www.reddit.com/r/iphone/comments/2g5l1o/undecided_between_att_next_or_a_subsidy_i_did_the/
I'm not arguing that Next is a better option for you or anyone else. I was addressing your incorrect assumption that you had to pay the phone off before selling it on Next.
As others have said, Next is a good deal for some, not so great for others. It depends on the person and what exactly they want in their plan.
Going away slowly and ending all subsidies to current customers on older plans is a big difference.
He also said years ago unlimited data plans are going away and are on their way out.
Trying to transition everyone away from old plans, ending it for new customers and enticing the older ones to switch is more like their plan.
Untill something is officially announced its only speculation
Exactly. Years ago they said unlimited data is going away, which it did, except for those that had it all ready, these 2 year contracts are no different. The last thing these companies want is to anger a good portion of their CURRENT subscribers. It really is simple business, why would you make current subscribers mad to the point of leaving just to make a point ?
You DO have to pay off the phone before selling it.
If I sell the phone while on Next however long into the agreement I am, I am responsible to pay the remaining months of the 20 month agreement.
What part of that is unclear to you?
Right, but that's not paying it off before you sell it, that's just paying it off (even if after you sell it). Same with a contract, you sell it you are still on the hook for service for the remainder of the contract or have to pay an ETF if you actually leave.