Attempted Apple Store Holdup Goes Bad: Suspect Killed

[Rhalliwell1]

Apple: Set a tone. Don't rob our stores or face the consequences. Less stores burglarized, no loss of revenue and potential store closures over attempted or successful break-ins.

Security: Did their job, they were successful. How do you know that the burglars didn't shoot first? If you get shot at, protect yourself or just have the perpetrators chase after you and kill you because YOU identified them and will call local LEOs. You don’t just roll over and play dead if it is YOUR job to protect something. Is that what our soldiers should do if someone starts shooting at them? Run and cover, and never fire back??? Who would protect this nation and our freedom?

Burglars: Dead, because they were dumb enough to start a firefight with someone who had proper firearms training.


Yes, you don’t feel the same as anyone else because what you think doesn’t make any sense.

Apple: If they had done their research they would have known there would have been an armed guard anyway but yes, this death may act as a deterrent for the future.

Security: I am saying a better solution would have been to get help before confronting them because he was out numbered 3 to 1. Is this such a bad idea? The guy made a split second decision and I'm thankful he's not injured (at least physically). Considering he was an ex police officer, I'm sure he had good training on using a gun but hand guns can be inaccurate over any reasonable distance and I am sure he didn't aim for the head shot, it was more just fluke, the burglars could have been equally flukey.

Burglars: And that's a just punishment?

Or, to rephrase that, you're unable to see anothers point of view.

 

[Coleman2010]

I've seen this sentiment multiple times in this thread: "Oh it's so sad that the security guard has to live with the knowledge that he took a life."

I don't think that's sad. Personally, I see shooting an armed robber as a thing to celebrate, and boost self-esteem.

Not all life is sacred. If you plan to do violence to innocent people, your's isn't.

I value all human life so to see it taken over something so stupid as money is sad!

Coleman2010,

I would not say that committing armed burglary and shooting at an outnumbered security guard is "something so trivial".

The guard can live with the fact that someone tried to take HIS life, but fortunately he was trained well enough to defend himself successfully.

Quit feeling sorry for criminals who CHOOSE to be criminals, and try your best to figure out that the person perpetrating the crime is NOT THE VICTIM!

Yes trivial. Dying over money IS trivial. A stupid reason to throw your life away.

 

[rkaplan]

It's Just a Nit but...

Crime rate is about the lowest in decades.

And...

Why didn't the security guard just call 911?

Yes, burglary is a crime, and the perps should be punished, but a rent-a-cop should not be shooting people if no one is in danger.

The reports are very clear, the security guard confronted the burglars. That was foolish. He could have identified the vehicle, and the police would have nabbed the suspects and there would be no loss of life. Surely that would be the preferred outcome.

 

[DisMyMac]

Crime rate is about the lowest in decades.

And...

Why didn't the security guard just call 911?

Yes, burglary is a crime, and the perps should be punished, but a rent-a-cop should not be shooting people if no one is in danger.

The reports are very clear, the security guard confronted the burglars. That was foolish. He could have identified the vehicle, and the police would have nabbed the suspects and there would be no loss of life. Surely that would be the preferred outcome.

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Go back to troll school.

 

[28monkeys]

40 shots that ended in a head shot.

 

[linuxcooldude]

Crime rate is about the lowest in decades.

And...

Why didn't the security guard just call 911?

Yes, burglary is a crime, and the perps should be punished, but a rent-a-cop should not be shooting people if no one is in danger.

The reports are very clear, the security guard confronted the burglars. That was foolish. He could have identified the vehicle, and the police would have nabbed the suspects and there would be no loss of life. Surely that would be the preferred outcome.

If he called the police who's to say it would not play into the same scenario? Or what if a cop happened to walk by the store when they were breaking in? Probably the same thing that already happened.

The reports are also clear the store manager was inside the store getting ready to open for the day.

Besides being a trained deputy sheriff, he knew what he was doing.

 

[iStudentUK]

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Go back to troll school.

I don't see any desire to troll here. He makes a point in a mature way. Disagree by all means- I'm not convinced the guard confronted the robbers like he said. However, this isn't trolling.

 

[decafjava]

What a thread! On the one had we have people supposing the guard saw people walking off with the prototype of the iphone 5 and the guard came up behind and shot one guy in the head. They ignore the fact the guard, maybe stupidly maybe not, challenged them as they were breaking in and was shot at-the headshot seems to have been a chance hit as the robbers were fleeing and bad luck for the guy and the guard who has to live with that. He was only defending himself.

Then we have the armchair cowboy "YEE HAW got what he deserves oh yea" dummies-even "justified" force is a failure and a sad event. Why did the robbers risk there lives for itoys? Even if the guard was justified he has to live with it as I said?

As the Duke of Wellington put it at Waterloo:

My heart is broken by the terrible loss I have sustained in my old friends and companions and my poor soldiers. Believe me, nothing except a battle lost can be half so melancholy as a battle won.

 

[mdlooker]

And...

Why didn't the security guard just call 911?

*edit* see below

 

[mdlooker]

Crime rate is about the lowest in decades.

And...

Why didn't the security guard just call 911?

Yes, burglary is a crime, and the perps should be punished, but a rent-a-cop should not be shooting people if no one is in danger.

The reports are very clear, the security guard confronted the burglars. That was foolish. He could have identified the vehicle, and the police would have nabbed the suspects and there would be no loss of life. Surely that would be the preferred outcome.

While I'm not totally convinced of the killing, I'm floored you would tell a paid ARMED guard to call 911. lmao..are you serious!

I mean how would the phone call go...
Guard - Yess 911, get the police here..hurry, hurry, come quick - they have guns!
911-Sir stay calm, where are you?
Guard - at the Apple store (frantically said)
911 - Are you hiding?
Guard - no no I'm the hired armed guard. Hurry they have guns!

It's absurd to believe the guard should have called 911. He did what he was paid and expected to do; hence him being hired as an armed guard.

 

[Rhalliwell1]

And...

Why didn't the security guard just call 911?

While I'm not totally convinced of the killing, I'm floored you would tell a paid ARMED guard to call 911. lmao..are you serious!

I mean how would the phone call go...
Guard - Yess 911, get the police here..hurry, hurry, come quick - they have guns!
911-Sir stay calm, where are you?
Guard - at the Apple store (frantically said)
911 - Are you hiding?
Guard - no no I'm the hired armed guard. Hurry they have guns!

It's absurd to believe the guard should have called 911. He did what he was paid and expected to do; hence him being hired as an armed guard.

The point is he was out numbered. 5 cops + security guy against 3 guys that want free iToys.

I doubt any shots would have been fired and if they were then the burglars are, without a doubt, retards.

 

[teguh123]

WHat I still cannot understand is people thinking that the burglars life is as worthy as the guards' life.

How can you value the life of a dedicated police officer that has protected society for so many years with the life of vermin that don't value your life?

No wonder people become burglars.

If there is .1% chance the guard may die, he should shoot the hell up of all vermins. As long as no innocent died, it's all happy ending.

 

[lostngone]

Rent-a-cops have guns? And shoot people IN THE HEAD? I'm amazed.

That said, this is pretty ******. Sure, the guy was a criminal lowlife, and he certainly deserved punishment, but I don't think he deserved to get killed. Oh well.

I do. He should die in the most painful way! I hope he bled out slowly.

 

[Manderby]

People are voting this story positive: Sad.
Mall-officers carriing guns: irresponsible.
What a world.

 

[mnico]

Too literal

Originally Posted by starflyer
Yes, they were running away and unarmed. Read the article before making such an idiotic post.

If they were running away and unarmed then the security guard was in the wrong.

Tennessee v Garner says that you cannot shoot an unarmed fleeing felon in the back.

Sarcasm...

 

[mnico]

Irresponsible?

People are voting this story positive: Sad.
Mall-officers carriing guns: irresponsible.
What a world.

That's like saying a fisherman wearing a life jacket is irresponsible.

The gun was not used to stop the burglary, but used to protect the life of the guard.

Criminals carrying guns: Putting theirs and others lives at risk.

 

[rdowns]

It's absurd to believe the guard should have called 911. He did what he was paid and expected to do; hence him being hired as an armed guard.

I know, right. It's not like cops ever call for backup.

 

[rtkane]

The point is he was out numbered. 5 cops + security guy against 3 guys that want free iToys.

I doubt any shots would have been fired and if they were then the burglars are, without a doubt, retards.

From here:

“It’s clear from the (surveillance) video that one of the suspects almost immediately upon breaking into the store pulls out a pistol and starts shooting,”

 

[mdlooker]

I know, right. It's not like cops ever call for backup.

I know they never call for back up..shame on them for attempting to be superman.

Calling 911 for back up is one thing but to call them in lieu of what you're hired to do is another as what was suggested in that particular post. I don't know how but somehow the police got there pretty quickly to find them hiding.

 

[lostngone]

People are voting this story positive: Sad.
Mall-officers carriing guns: irresponsible.
What a world.

You are so right!

Screw the Constitution and the right to protect yourself!

Only the criminals should be allowed to have firearms! If someone starts shooting at you the only thing you should legally be allowed to do is stand there and call 911.

 

[rtkane]

You are so right!

Screw the Constitution and the right to protect yourself!

Only the criminals should be allowed to have firearms! If someone starts shooting at you the only thing you should be legally be allowed to do is stand there and call 911.

Well, that's a little extreme. You should at least be able to curl up into a ball and cry a little instead of just standing there.

 

[lostngone]

Well, that's a little extreme. You should at least be able to curl up into a ball and cry a little instead of just standing there.

Now you are not being fair to the person that is shooting at you. If you try and get away you are making it more difficult for that person to shoot you. You could get sued over that.

 

[lilcosco08]

people are voting this story positive: Sad.
Mall-officers carriing guns: Irresponsible.
What a world.

hahaha
oh wow

 

[mdlooker]

From here:

“It’s clear from the (surveillance) video that one of the suspects almost immediately upon breaking into the store pulls out a pistol and starts shooting,”

Thanks for that new story that sheds more light. If the guy breaks the glass, comes through and almost immediately produces a gun, it's for damn sure no different than walking into a bank and presenting a gun.

At that point, his and everyone else's life is in imminent danger and actions after that are justified. Tragic and sad situation but absolutely justified if that's how it came to be.

So we see that store owners have guns behind the counter and are authorized to use whatever force to protect their business.

I, now, believe the picture will become more clear that there was justification for the actions of the guard.

 

[vipergts2207]

Homicide rates (all per 100,000 people) (<- ie population doesn't matter!)

USA = 5.0

Turkmenistan = 4.1
Yemen = 4.0
Palestine = 3.9
Cambodia = 3.2
Iran = 2.9

UK = 1.5
France = 1.5
Germany = 0.9
Iceland = 0


Population of US ~300million, UK ~60million. So US has 5 times as many people.
Gun deaths per year US ~10,000, UK ~ 50. So US has 200 times as many gun deaths. Yet 5 times the population.

The UK has stabbings, I agree. It is much more common to see stabbings in the news than shootings. However, I'd much rather see crimes being committed with knives than guns.

Of those U.S. gun related homicides, how many were a result of gang member on gang member violence? I bet a significant portion of them. If thugs want to kill thugs, oh well. Less jail space taken up and fewer thugs to worry about bothering the respectable citizens.