Attempted Apple Store Holdup Goes Bad: Suspect Killed

I live in this community by the Apple store and am GLAD that the armed robber was killed. YES, he did deserve it. For sure, if I was that guard and was getting shot at, I would definitely shoot to kill. Maybe his buddies will learn a lesson now that crime really doesn't pay. I'm just glad innocent people were not wounded in the process.

The two other criminals should be thankful they weren't killed either. I hope the guard is not traumatized by this incident.
 
lostngone said:
Now you are not being fair to the person that is shooting at you. If you try and get away you are making it more difficult for that person to shoot you. You could get sued over that.
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Obviously, it's only fair to both you and the criminal if you just kill yourself for him
 
rkaplan said:
Why didn't the security guard just call 911?
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Because when seconds count, the police are just minutes away.

Because when a violent criminal is pointing a gun at your head, dialing 911 is stupid.

Can't believe how many on this thread don't realize that the guard was being shot at. That iToys were present has nothing to do with anything at this point. The guard's life was in grave, immediate peril.
 
Thank you for those that are saying to run and hide and dive for cover are not in today's military. The last thing I want is to protect myself and the guy that runs for cover because "it's too hot." if the guard just ran to gun him down, that is one thing but if the guy busts in and presents a gun simultaneously, fill him up.

One never knows what the next step would have been for that robber...was to kill the witnesses and take the video tapes? Skiies the limit for what could have happened.

Originally I thought they bashed the glass, did whatever then ran without ever showing a weapon then the guard gave chase at which point someone produced a weapon, producing the shooting escapade. But it is starting to show that is far from what happened.

Run for cover..lol you got to be kiddin!!
 
Mattie Num Nums said:
False.

Certain bullets can pierce walls but many factors need to be factored in when talking about bullets piercing walls, armour, etc (caliber of bulleg, distance, altitude, and other environmental factors.)
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Okay. I tell you what. You stand behind a wall and I will shoot and see if it hits you.
 
lostngone said:
I do. He should die in the most painful way! I hope he bled out slowly.
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Where is your conscience? How could you wish that on anyone?

mnico said:
That's like saying a fisherman wearing a life jacket is irresponsible.

The gun was not used to stop the burglary, but used to protect the life of the guard.

Criminals carrying guns: Putting theirs and others lives at risk.
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Nope, it's like the security guy wearing a bullet proof vest.

rtkane said:
From here:

“It’s clear from the (surveillance) video that one of the suspects almost immediately upon breaking into the store pulls out a pistol and starts shooting,”
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Thanks for this. It changes things slightly. Does anyone know if the guard was already in the store or if he entered afterwards?
 
NightFlight said:
Apple: Set a tone. Don't rob our stores or face the consequences. Less stores burglarized, no loss of revenue and potential store closures over attempted or successful break-ins. QUOTE]


I know what you mean but actually apple has insurance on this, I remember last august when the apple store near la jolla at the UTC mall had a smash and grab for iphone 4s stealing half a dozen or so display units. I think they said they were not to worry about it. They have a loss prevention team to take care of this.

I am not sure why apple does not trace stolen equipment from store or personal with a elctronic serial number and a "find my iphone" kind of thing that might make people think twice about stealing the phone, but of course everyone they caught would say they bought this phone from someone. again apple though has no intrest in policing and thats not were they are going to make money.
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Rhalliwell1 said:
Where is your conscience? How could you wish that on anyone?



Nope, it's like the security guy wearing a bullet proof vest.



Thanks for this. It changes things slightly. Does anyone know if the guard was already in the store or if he entered afterwards?
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From the same article I originally linked to:

"The store manager and Jimenez, who was not in uniform, were inside the store when two men and a woman smashed the front glass doors and came inside, Ficacci said."
 
Rhalliwell1 said:
Where is your conscience? How could you wish that on anyone?



Nope, it's like the security guy wearing a bullet proof vest.



Thanks for this. It changes things slightly. Does anyone know if the guard was already in the store or if he entered afterwards?
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I agree with you. Not sure how anyone could wish unneeded suffering on anyone else.

My analogy was off, but I just wanted to illustrate the use of a gun for protection was not irresponsible. :p
 
rtkane said:
From the same article I originally linked to:

"The store manager and Jimenez, who was not in uniform, were inside the store when two men and a woman smashed the front glass doors and came inside, Ficacci said."
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As sorry, i only skim read it and missed that part. my bad. :)

Then i guess i don't blame him for using the tools available to him but shooting to kill i cannot justify.

mnico said:
I agree with you. Not sure how anyone could wish unneeded suffering on anyone else.

My analogy was off, but I just wanted to illustrate the use of a gun for protection was not irresponsible. :p
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In some cases, maybe, but in this case somebody died.
 
Rhalliwell1 said:
As sorry, i only skim read it and missed that part. my bad. :)

Then i guess i don't blame him for using the tools available to him but shooting to kill i cannot justify.



In some cases, maybe, but in this case somebody died.
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Which was not his fault...He was put in a situation where he had to make a split second decision. He was hired to protect a store. 2 people came to rob said store. They drew weapons. He responded. So one person died. Big deal. The guard did his job. My goodness. You would think that the guard just shot him for the fun of it.
 
Rhalliwell1 said:
As sorry, i only skim read it and missed that part. my bad. :)

Then i guess i don't blame him for using the tools available to him but shooting to kill i cannot justify.

In some cases, maybe, but in this case somebody died.
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The legal ownership of a gun proved responsible this time. They were shooting to kill him, what should he have done?
 
Rhalliwell1 said:
As sorry, i only skim read it and missed that part. my bad. :)

Then i guess i don't blame him for using the tools available to him but shooting to kill i cannot justify.



In some cases, maybe, but in this case somebody died.
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Somebody died due to bad choices they made. Officers are trained to shoot to kill. This topic will undoubtedly be debated for some time.

However, "The driver was shot and suffered apparent fatal head injuries, although it was unknown if they were from a gunshot or the crash," Ficacci said. So, who knows if his intent was to kill or if the gun shot did kill the person. From the wording, I can't say he was even shot in the head...
 
Manderby said:
People are voting this story positive: Sad.
Mall-officers carriing guns: irresponsible.
What a world.
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>sigh<

People waving their finger at everyone EXCEPT the actual criminals who caused the problems in the first place: Priceless.

Where is your righteous indignation at the perpetrators of the crime?

Are you a defense lawyer or something?

"What a world" is right.
 
It is funny (and sad) that folks are actually stupid enough to believe that the perp got killed over stealing computers. He drew down on someone better and lost.
Never in the history of the world has a gun by itself decided to target and kill someone. Guns aren't the problem, criminals are.
 
Dobbs2 said:
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To all you foreign people bashing gun crimes here and how your country is so much better. It's not the wild west here. We have I think 260m people living here compared to England's 50m so of course that is misleading figures. also saying you have no gun crime because you have no guns is extremely naive. Well look at your percentage of all homicides to your population and take ours. It probably won't be that far off. Also take into account your stabbings and "bricking" people in the head. I have seen your "Stanley" knifed that have the matches in between that make it so the wound doesn't heal. No country is perfect we have shootings you have lots of stabbings.
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There are no foreign people on the internets! Anyway America is amazing. How you guys manage to have any crime at all with the number of people in jail is amazing. 1 in 18 men in prison or on parole/probation and you still have a crime rate somehow.
 
AndroidfoLife said:
Fact if guns where harder to obtain in America than the number of homicides would go down by over 100%. These American "Gangsters" are cowards with a weapon in their hands nothing more. When you take their weapons they will be useless many of them don't know how to fight man to man they where force to.
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two facts disproof this silly notion:

1) homicides existed prior to firearms

2) controlled substances are quite easy to come by. ever smoke pot?
 
Mattie Num Nums said:
False.

Certain bullets can pierce walls but many factors need to be factored in when talking about bullets piercing walls, armour, etc (caliber of bulleg, distance, altitude, and other environmental factors.)
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Alright, so someone is shooting at me... I have to judge by eyesight what caliber hand gun he has, calculate the distance, remember what altitude I am at, and get out my weather app?

Times two... Carry the one... Divide by PI... Whamo! Dead!

Sorry in a split second decision, I think shooting back is justified.
 
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