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Attempted Apple Store Holdup Goes Bad: Suspect Killed
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You're failing to see the big picture. People willing to commit armed robbery don't go away quietly into the night once their done. They go on to commit more crimes, some of which might involve bodily harm to you or others.
Well said.
I don't feel bad for criminals... I rather see him die than an innocent bystander that was just visiting the Apple store.
If you don't want to get killed, don't be a criminal and don't carry guns.
You get what you give.
Why shouldn't he be allowed to carry a gun? If you're supposed to be guarding something and those you're guarding against are statistically likely to be carrying weapons, then you should definitely be carrying yourself, for your own personal protection if nothing else.
Also, to everyone saying he should have just wounded the man: If I ever fire a weapon at someone (and I hope I never have to), I will only do so if I am willing to kill them. There is no such thing as "shoot to wound", because no one is a good enough shot at range with a handgun to insure they will only wound and not kill. You aim for the largest target, which is center of mass, and you only fire if you're willing to kill the person you're firing at. That doesn't mean you would prefer if they didn't die, because the loss of any life is a sad event, even scum like this, but you don't try to do that. Especially in the heat of the moment as you're being shot at.
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Must have been a very decently trained security guard, kudos...
What baffles me more is that there are so many people who actually take sides with the criminals here. Granted, robbing an Apple Store is not the most heinous of crimes, but seriously, this is what can happen when you decide to break the law.
I wonder if certain people assume that we should all just go train with Morpheus and Neo, so the poor armed criminals could be disarmed with the least possible physical damage to their bodies.
There is such a thing as being to much of a pacifist -_-
What baffles me more is that there are so many people who actually take sides with the criminals here. Granted, robbing an Apple Store is not the most heinous of crimes, but seriously, this is what can happen when you decide to break the law.
I wonder if certain people assume that we should all just go train with Morpheus and Neo, so the poor armed criminals could be disarmed with the least possible physical damage to their bodies.
There is such a thing as being to much of a pacifist -_-
Apple needs to start paying it's employees better... Seriously, it seems like there is a robbery at an Apple Store every other day. Maybe TLC will make a movie about it soon, "The Deadliest Retail Job" HAHA
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i honestly can't understand people who say there was no need to kill him, he was armed and shot at the security guard.
A criminal shoots at a security guard who is just doing his job of protecting the public? and a Security Guard shoots at a criminal who is shooting at him, endangering the public and stealing, and somehow the Security Guard is the bad guy here?
this criminal had no respect or regard for anyone but himself, he was a CRIMINAL, that was his choice to make, if he'd of made a better choice, he'd still be alive.
If the Security Guard had of made a different choice he may not still be alive.
it's just like the whole Raoul Moat thing here in the UK, he killed I don't know how many people, injured others, shot a Police Officer in the face with a shotgun, and people still said it was wrong to kill him, SERIOUSLY!
I say well done to the Security Guard, i just hope he is commentated for doing the right thing, and lives the rest of his life peacefully.
A criminal shoots at a security guard who is just doing his job of protecting the public? and a Security Guard shoots at a criminal who is shooting at him, endangering the public and stealing, and somehow the Security Guard is the bad guy here?
this criminal had no respect or regard for anyone but himself, he was a CRIMINAL, that was his choice to make, if he'd of made a better choice, he'd still be alive.
If the Security Guard had of made a different choice he may not still be alive.
it's just like the whole Raoul Moat thing here in the UK, he killed I don't know how many people, injured others, shot a Police Officer in the face with a shotgun, and people still said it was wrong to kill him, SERIOUSLY!
I say well done to the Security Guard, i just hope he is commentated for doing the right thing, and lives the rest of his life peacefully.
He was there to get the last ipad 2
how dare anyone rob an Apple (cult) store. That will teach anyone else, rob a bank no problem, rob an Apple store and we will hang you with an imac power cord. As others have mentioned, the security guard (again, most likely an off-duty cop or a cop who has retired early) would not have been deliberately attempting for a headshot, unless the head was the only thing sticking up from cover.
I shoot IDPA. It's not real life shooting, but a lot of the rules are designed to simulate real life as close as any competition could do. In the heat of an adrenaline rush, it is very easy to aim the gun for the chest and hit the head. For most people, that's a less than 5% change in gun angle, which for most pistols is less than 1/2" up. That is, he was aiming for the chest, and let the tip of his barrel rise less than 1/2" higher than it should go. Maybe Horatio Caine can stand with bullets flying and kill 5 people with 5 shots, but that's not real life.
I don't know the facts, but here's a reasonable supposition:
* Mall guard sees multiple people with weapons in hand. In most states, the guard is now in a position where he can use deadly force to repel an attack. If the guard sees guns (again in some states), he is allowed to draw first, because they are the initiators of the lethal threat.
* Criminals decide that they don't want a witness, don't want to be detained, etc. One or more draw their weapons. The guard is now in honest fear of his life, and may respond as needed to end their threat.
* The guard shoots at them, until they retreat.
I shoot IDPA. It's not real life shooting, but a lot of the rules are designed to simulate real life as close as any competition could do. In the heat of an adrenaline rush, it is very easy to aim the gun for the chest and hit the head. For most people, that's a less than 5% change in gun angle, which for most pistols is less than 1/2" up. That is, he was aiming for the chest, and let the tip of his barrel rise less than 1/2" higher than it should go. Maybe Horatio Caine can stand with bullets flying and kill 5 people with 5 shots, but that's not real life.
I don't know the facts, but here's a reasonable supposition:
* Mall guard sees multiple people with weapons in hand. In most states, the guard is now in a position where he can use deadly force to repel an attack. If the guard sees guns (again in some states), he is allowed to draw first, because they are the initiators of the lethal threat.
* Criminals decide that they don't want a witness, don't want to be detained, etc. One or more draw their weapons. The guard is now in honest fear of his life, and may respond as needed to end their threat.
* The guard shoots at them, until they retreat.
Anyone who is trained with a hand gun, is told to shoot to kill. This scum deserved to die.
Wow, it seems the majority of posters here are immediately questioning the security guard for shooting a bunch of criminals! I guess he should have been more polite, and given the criminals the chance to shoot him first! Or to run off and try to rob an honest business another time!
America used to be a country of strong, self-reliant people that would have absolutely no problem with taking down violent criminals *asap*. They would have no tolerance for thuggery, and the result is that there would be far less of it! Now America is filled with a bunch of lambs, who've become so "civilized" that they've lost the instincts needed to confront bullies. Instead, they round themselves up in the pens of a police state, where they leave the unpleasant business of personal defense to "professionals" (the police). And then they whine when the professionals don't do enough to protect them, or start to prey upon them because they *are* so weak.
This is what happens when earlier generations make a country strong, but are replaced by their children who merely inherit a strong country, with no idea how to maintain it.
There's only one appropriate course of action with thieves and criminals like the ones described in the article: give them one chance to surrender (not to quit and go home, but surrender), and if they don't take it, then shoot them. Not only is that justice, but it also discourages other criminals far more than the potential for jail terms ever could.
America used to be a country of strong, self-reliant people that would have absolutely no problem with taking down violent criminals *asap*. They would have no tolerance for thuggery, and the result is that there would be far less of it! Now America is filled with a bunch of lambs, who've become so "civilized" that they've lost the instincts needed to confront bullies. Instead, they round themselves up in the pens of a police state, where they leave the unpleasant business of personal defense to "professionals" (the police). And then they whine when the professionals don't do enough to protect them, or start to prey upon them because they *are* so weak.
This is what happens when earlier generations make a country strong, but are replaced by their children who merely inherit a strong country, with no idea how to maintain it.
There's only one appropriate course of action with thieves and criminals like the ones described in the article: give them one chance to surrender (not to quit and go home, but surrender), and if they don't take it, then shoot them. Not only is that justice, but it also discourages other criminals far more than the potential for jail terms ever could.
Over (40) rounds were EXCHANGED between the robbers and the security guard. Deadly force by self-defense is authorized. I don't care what the situation, I'd rather face a jury of (12) than (12) pall bearers...I'm just sayin'
"Shooting To Wound" is purely a product of television, movies, and video games. In real situations where gunfire is exchanged, milliseconds count, and center mass until the target is down is the ONLY reality.
They shot at the cops as well.
It's sad, but reality.
Can't do the time, don't do the crime.
Not sure where you guys are getting your information.
In Virginia, to posses an Armed Security Guard license, you must take a 40-hour (five-day) course.
There's a place where I live that does the training. They use M4A1 rifles and M9 pistols in the course, which are both required for certification as an armed security guard.
In Virginia, to posses an Armed Security Guard license, you must take a 40-hour (five-day) course.
There's a place where I live that does the training. They use M4A1 rifles and M9 pistols in the course, which are both required for certification as an armed security guard.
this is crazy....we as a society have become too politically correct. Someone breaks into your house and gets injured, he can sue you for injuries....you trip and fall on a slippery surface in a mall or restaurant, you can sue, despite the clear sign that says, "caution, slippery surface", Or the famous one, suing because your cup of coffee was hot and you spilled it on yourself. My goodness....Here we have a robbery attempt. The robbers were armed. Now this private security guard see's what is happening, and steps in to stop them. What is he suppose to do, pretend to be like Obama and try to open up negotiations with them? "please robbers, stop what you are doing, it is against the law?" Meanwhile, the robbers are shooting at him...So what if a robber got shot in the head. It is one less criminal to deal with. And what is to say that he was aiming for his head? It might have just been a lucky shot. Will he have to live with that? Of course, but at the end of the day, he was just doing his job. It would be like joining the military not expecting to ever go to war or see combat...
Its simple lots of people just have issue with emotions of revenge I for one have not one ounce of issue with it. But then most people have never been a victim of crime so its hard for them to visualize the danger. You pull a gun and point and if I can I will put you down without hesitation but most people will just coward as they get shot.
Kudos to the security guard for probably saving other people lives even if they don't realize it.
Which is completely reasonable if the rise was due to recoil and he didn't lower the barrel before pulling the trigger again. Another reason why gangbangers that hold the gun sideways are idiots--recoil is gonna take you off center-line and you'll start shooting arms instead of heads.
Try shooting a gun in real life while moving, adrenaline pumping, life on the line. Guarantee you that shot to the knee can accidentally turn into a head shot.
All of you people defending the robbers are the reason why we let child molesters, gang bangers, and drug dealers roam the streets. Put a bandaid on that bleeding heart already.
All of you people defending the robbers are the reason why we let child molesters, gang bangers, and drug dealers roam the streets. Put a bandaid on that bleeding heart already.