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That video won't play embedded, but IIRC that is the one where there was a stopped car on the road and the Tesla didn't stop in time to not hit it right?

From my understanding the way the current technology works, it ignores offset stationary objects, otherwise when you are passing cars on side of road the Tesla would likely slow down for every one of them. In this case the driver of the car must not have been looking up (or assumed that the AEB would actually stop the car - hint: it won't) and thus hit the vehicle in front of them, in what should have been an easy to avoid accident.

Much like the gentleman in Florida who decapitated himself using AP and not paying attention (to enable AP you do have to acknowledge that you are going to maintain control of the vehicle).
 
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For some reason... no, not for some reason, for a very specific one: control. That provides gov't, and those that run it, with unique opportunities to increase their power over citizens.

Correct .. that was my implication.
 
I'd still love to see some information about how many people really want a self driving car and at what price. I've seen nothing about how much such a car would cost and how much the data usage would cost.
To me it might be nice for that once a year when I take a long highway trip (many hours) to be able to take a break from driving but I can't see using it daily. I also expect that the cost will be relatively very high. Sure for buses and maybe highway trucks but the companies that are getting into it aren't doing it for those uses.

I could be wrong but...again I'd love to see some study that asks would you want one and if yes if it cost 20% more would you?

Lots of my friends dont trust them yet. At what point that will change, I'm not sure. However while they all don't trust the idea of fully autonomous, they all seem to like the idea of a car which, if the driver passed out (for example), could safely stop and park itself.
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More reliable than humans... not "never crashes".
 
Lots of my friends dont trust them yet. At what point that will change, I'm not sure. However while they all don't trust the idea of fully autonomous, they all seem to like the idea of a car which, if the driver passed out (for example), could safely stop and park itself.
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More reliable than humans... not "never crashes".
My wife isn't too keen on self driving, but she is excited about self parking. Especially self parallel parking.
 
From keynote : " 10:50PM EST - 'Let's make sure none of our kids ever have to learn to drive' "

Excuse me? You wanna say this is the direction they wanna take humanity in?

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I'd rather not thank you. Tesla's Autopilot in its current state is about as far as it should go. Driver assisting, not driver replacing.


Slow down. That image is from WALL-E, a future where people move around a cruise ship on hovering chairs getting video feeds and having their meals on a straw, and doing nothing.

No one is saying do not work and do not exercise. Driving a car is not exercise, you hardly burn any calories at all because you are sat all time, just like these on WALL-E

Now self driving cars are going to be the future, either you gonna be a part of it or not. And if you are not gonna be part of it, I think (and hope) it will be illegal for you to manually drive the car on the road so people don't have to pay with their life for your silly human mistakes (which I believe is the case on most road accidents where over a million people worldwide die each year)
 
Much as I criticise Tim Cook Apple pulling out of cars is a good thing. I can see Tesla fade fast. Why?

Because GM have just put out a cheaper 250 mile range car. GM have the dealer network and retail chain already in place. How were Apple going to realistically build all that?

Tesla broke the trail and made electric the viable alt-fuel but the old school car makers will probably take the bulk of the spoils. Apple would be better teaming up with a big maker not yet in the EV market that's hungry for a USP and some cachet when they enter than space.
 
From keynote : " 10:50PM EST - 'Let's make sure none of our kids ever have to learn to drive' "

Excuse me? You wanna say this is the direction they wanna take humanity in?

I'd rather not thank you. Tesla's Autopilot in its current state is about as far as it should go. Driver assisting, not driver replacing.
I don't see how auto-cars have anything to do with what you're paranoid of. In fact you might argue that manual cars encourage just as much sitting around. Should we abolish all cars just to encourage people to walk more? How about buses and trains?
 
From keynote : " 10:50PM EST - 'Let's make sure none of our kids ever have to learn to drive' "

Excuse me? You wanna say this is the direction they wanna take humanity in?

Wall-E+obese+humans+-+cropped.jpg


I'd rather not thank you. Tesla's Autopilot in its current state is about as far as it should go. Driver assisting, not driver replacing.
Or maybe the extra work I can do while the car drives me to work allows me to make time for a run in my day. Its just a way to make the roads safer and give us time back what we will do with is all up to us.
 
It is really an amazing news to me that Audi and Nvidia working on fully autonomous car for 2020. I hope they will get success in this.
 
I guess cars have reached the point where they are safe, reliable and efficient. And they all kind of look the same too. So now auto makers must compete based on added technology. But self-driving cars are ridiculous. How can the software account for all possible scenarios, under all possible conditions? And how can the software be tested for all those scenarios?
 
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I don't own a Tesla, but know people who do which they exclusively bought a Tesla for Autopilot and full self driving. While they do not fully rely on either feature they have enabled Autopilot on the hwy to show off changing lanes, or just driving at steady speed. What I do love is that at the tiniest tap of the brake or moving the steering wheel turns off auto pilot giving the driver back full control.

And what if that tiniest tap was accidental?

Say the driver was nodding off, or just bumped the steering wheel with his elbow as he turned the page of the book he was reading?

All of a sudden, full control of a vehicle speeding along the highway is tossed back to a disengaged and distracted driver.

Hope he's a good catcher.
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...Its just a way to make the roads safer and give us time back what we will do with is all up to us.
I think you'd need to re-engineer the roads first.
 
How many children will be plowed over before this lunacy will stop? How will the AI decide if the child's life is worth it when it might cause an accident to swerve, assuming the car sees the kid in time (known problem with the systems so far). Will the government be actively involved in certifying a system that chooses to run over a toddler "for the greater good"?

Also, how do you tell the car where to park on your driveway, how to avoid flooding, how to navigate tire level obstacles? How to prevent the car from taking you up a road closed in bad weather and stranding you? You hear stories of clueless people following GPS into danger, what happens when the car does it itself and you can't stop it?

The cars will mostly be commuters in large cities first. It will be a while before flooding problems are worked out.

The concerns about swerving to avoid something like a toddler, which I see all over whenever these issues are raised, are too rare to worry about. First, they assume humans do this better. They don't. Second, they discount the many more lives, by orders of magnitude, that will be saved from drunk drivers, reckless drivers, and tired fatigued drivers causing wrecks.

The best way to avoid toddlers is to go slow in areas with children. Then you can stop much faster without swerving.
 
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A technology company that designs GPU's is cooperating with a car manufacturer but still everyone is bashing Apple...
 
Didn't realise Nvidia was a player in this market, let alone a leader. How on earth did they get an edge over Apple with all the cash, talent and other resources it has behind it?

Nvidia have been involved in cars for years, they have worked with Audi for quite some time with their chips powering Audis infotainment and car systems.
Plus Audi knows how to design a car.

Apple has no clue and it shows, they are attempting to go it alone by hiring people but then firing them so it's rumoured, they seem to be in a total mess over whatever they are doing with cars. Plus I think they tried to rocker deals with car manufactures but they would not accept the terms as Apple wanted to much? I think.

Apple is as I thought are a long way behind and Google is lagging as well now. If your not into making cars then don't expect any easy ride, Nvidia has done the smart thing. The autonomous market will be flooded by cars from the usual car manufactures way before Apple and Google launch anything for public sale.
 
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From keynote : " 10:50PM EST - 'Let's make sure none of our kids ever have to learn to drive' "

Excuse me? You wanna say this is the direction they wanna take humanity in?

Wall-E+obese+humans+-+cropped.jpg


I'd rather not thank you. Tesla's Autopilot in its current state is about as far as it should go. Driver assisting, not driver replacing.

This is funny, love that movie. On a serious note though, imagine if this tech gets perfected and the human factor is literally taken out of main commuting points. Of course we (at least our generation/lifetime) will not see a car that can go through a drive through for you or go through the carwash at the gas station should you decided to ruin your paint job using on of them. Or what if you want to pull over at a certain scenic view point that isn't marked by a geotag (or whatever). Though when looking at how it could eliminate highway traffic accidents is something to look forward to. I would love to put my son, when he gets to that age, in a car and tell the car to take him directly to the friends house and return home. You can't tell me that wouldn't be cool.
 
And what if that tiniest tap was accidental?

Say the driver was nodding off, or just bumped the steering wheel with his elbow as he turned the page of the book he was reading?

All of a sudden, full control of a vehicle speeding along the highway is tossed back to a disengaged and distracted driver.

Hope he's a good catcher.
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I think you'd need to re-engineer the roads first.
I think tapping the brake disengages the whole system, while tugging on the steering wheel disengages Autosteer, leaving TACC enabled.

In the current form, I am not sure why the driver would be reading a book. By the time we get to level 4/5 book reading should be fine as the means to disable the system will likely be more involved.
 
Didn't realise Nvidia was a player in this market, let alone a leader. How on earth did they get an edge over Apple with all the cash, talent and other resources it has behind it?

Lots of Money doesn't guarantee success.

The Apple project, if the rumours are correct, hasn't gone smoothly. Bad project management, direction etc etc.
 
Nvidia have been involved in cars for years, they have worked with Audi for quite some time with their chips powering Audis infotainment and car systems.
Plus Audi knows how to design a car.

Apple has no clue and it shows, they are attempting to go it alone by hiring people but then firing them so it's rumoured, they seem to be in a total mess over whatever they are doing with cars. Plus I think they tried to rocker deals with car manufactures but they would not accept the terms as Apple wanted to much? I think.

Apple is as I thought are a long way behind and Google is lagging as well now. If your not into making cars then don't expect any easy ride, Nvidia has done the smart thing. The autonomous market will be flooded by cars from the usual car manufactures way before Apple and Google launch anything for public sale.
Apple isn't keen on licensing hardware to third parties either Nvidia is giving out (uh selling) GPU tech along with 'supercomputing' backend.
 
Some accidents are impossible to avoid (say a car falls in front of you from an overhead bridge, or something happens within braking distance). I believe an autonomous car is simply better than a driver, stats in hand, and that's already the case in highway driving.

I believe your stats, but I cant help but wonder if it's simply because the autonomous vehicle is driving conservative. It wouldn't be hard for the system to beat humans if we're including the dude in the BMW M4 swinging between cars in saturated traffic, the jackass in the dually going 90mph, the business lady doing make up, and the college student texting. Such a stat would be more useful if compared to conservative human driver only.

I can think of real life situations I've had while driving where I'd have zero confidence that the autonomous car would make the correct choice.
 
I would love to put my son, when he gets to that age, in a car and tell the car to take him directly to the friends house and return home. You can't tell me that wouldn't be cool.

Or how about you are late on your payments and the car drives itself to the impound yard .. that would be cool. Or you have many unpaid parking tickets and the car drives you to the magistrate to pay up?

You are putting a lot of faith in the technology and the governmental bureaucracy behind it to always do the right thing. History shows they won't and usually don't.

Further .. I am sure this would open up a whole new world for hackers/criminals who I am sure will find ways to take control and divert cars for their own purposes.

And then the litigation piece .. once some of these cars actually are involved in accidents that kill people - both drivers and pedestrians - I am sure the companies that make them will be sued out of existence. Look at how many lawsuits arose just from faulty airbags.

No thanks.
 
It will help gridlock, and the stop / start traffic which is caused by humans over breaking ( for example ). Also, safer streets. Lets face it, humans drivers are generally poor.

Self driving cars are definitely the future. If companies can offer them, why shouldn't governments support their initiatives?

Enough already with the full autonomous, self driving cars.

The majority don't want them, but yet for some reason someone or some (governmental) entity seems intent on ramming them down our throat.

Hopefully the new administration in Washington puts the brakes on this.
 
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