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Audi's virtual cockpit in the new TT is one of the better car UI's I've seen and used. Unlike the Tesla UI and touch hardware that looks like it's a TV turned on its side and lobbed into the middle of the dashboard without a sense of class and sesitivity of design—design being an area where Apple could show Tesla a thing or two. Even the Tesla company logo and car glyph look like they were designed by a first-year design student or a teenager who watched Tron the night previous and thought 'this font looks futuristic' and then "borrowed" from a couple of companies on the glyph.

This ^^^.

Couldn't agree more.

Tesla looks like a Mazda/Toyota generic Japanese/Korean design, enlarged. Nothing alike an Audi design -- outside or inside.

For a $100K+ automobile, vying into "luxury class", they could/should have gone to Pininfarina to get a touch of class, which is sorely missing. But had some random ex-Mazda designer set their design language.

Relative to Audi, I love their cars. My family owns two. And I love working on them myself.
 
From keynote : " 10:50PM EST - 'Let's make sure none of our kids ever have to learn to drive' "

Excuse me? You wanna say this is the direction they wanna take humanity in?

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I'd rather not thank you. Tesla's Autopilot in its current state is about as far as it should go. Driver assisting, not driver replacing.

EXACTLY. If I was tired or exhausted from a long day on the road I'd rather stop at a hotel and get a nights sleep than relying on a fallible electronic system to drive the vehicle to my destination for me.
 
Apple isn't keen on licensing hardware to third parties either Nvidia is giving out (uh selling) GPU tech along with 'supercomputing' backend.

Which is exactly why Apple is getting no where. And then insults everyone by moaning they have to abide by more stringent road safety laws! If Apple was more agreeable with its contracts and terms they could have got somewhere by now.
And I'm pretty sure znvidoa isn't giving Audi anything for free and is making a lucrative profit from it all.
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After watching this video, is there anybody who believes this interface is more of a driving aide than a distraction? "I'm sorry, officer, I drove the car off the road because I got lost in the menu..... "

That is a moot point though as Audi drivers like to drive 1 inch from your back end regardless if they have the Audi cockpit or not....!
 
Enough already with the full autonomous, self driving cars.

The majority don't want them, but yet for some reason someone or some (governmental) entity seems intent on ramming them down our throat.

Hopefully the new administration in Washington puts the brakes on this.

The People know what they want/need better than some Government.

The free market will figure it out as development will cease on things that do not sell or provide utility.
 



Audi and Nvidia have announced they are working together to bring a fully self-driving car to the consumer market by the year 2020.

The announcement came on Wednesday at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas, Nevada, as the two companies outlined their vision for a fully autonomous vehicle. German automaker Audi hopes to be one of the first automakers to achieve the feat, and is banking on U.S. graphics chipmaker Nvidia's artificial intelligence car computing platform, which uses deep learning to negotiate complex real-road conditions.

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Audi's Q7 Piloted Driving Concept.
To offer a taste of the results of their collaboration, Audi has been demoing its Q7 Piloted Driving Concept, which is fitted with Nvidia's Drive PX 2 processor. The companies claim that after four days of "training", equipped vehicles are able to drive themselves over a complex road course, thanks to the PX 2 chip's ability to learn on the fly without recourse to pre-mapped routes.

Audi and Nvidia have been working together for almost a decade, but the announcement at this year's CES is an indication of just how far the collaboration has come. Originally the partnership was limited to using Nvidia's graphics processors in Audi's virtual cockpit and navigation systems, but ambitions have since grown, and Audi said it will begin expanding its testing of the highly automated, artificial intelligence-equipped vehicles on public roads in California and select states in 2018.

For Nvidia's part, the traditionally GPU-focused company has been working on autonomous vehicle systems for several years now and has rolled out development platforms and agreed partnerships with over 80 automakers and suppliers to realize its self-driving goals. In September the company introduced Xavier, a complete AI system on a chip for self-driving cars that's designed to meet international functional safety standards for in-car electronics.

Apple is thought to have refocused its car project recently. The company has shelved plans to build an electric car for now, and is instead working to build a self-driving software platform for use in vehicles made by established automakers. In December of last year, Apple confirmed its interest in the autonomous car market, in a letter to federal regulators urging them to ensure fair competition and equal rights for "new entrants" in the industry.

Article Link: Audi and Nvidia Working on Fully Autonomous Car for 2020 Rollout
I would like to buy one of these
 
I have one in my R8 - It doesn't distract me in anyway. Indeed it's far better than the car play rubbish i could also use if i wanted to.


Maybe the Audi interface works better when driving on the wrong side of the road. :)
 
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I had an Audi and a VW V6 (same exact engine as Audi), and both had hugely expensive engine repairs that were truly design issues, and both had the check-engine light on more than off.

For the 2008 Audi A4, even though the check-engine light was an on-going issue from day one (9K miles actually), after the 50K warranty expired, the dealer charged me $1,600 when it came on, and the next day it was on again and they charged me again. I said you owe me for the last one since that obviously wasn't the issues. The service manager responded "that's what the computer said it was." Then there was the time at 19K when the whole car shut down on an 8-lane highway in heavy traffic. The dealer said it was "just a random computer failure."

On the 1999 V6 VW, the rear cam seals blew out because the PCV (which they recommend never to change, and the dealer will not change it because of that even if you ask them to). I had to rent a car for two weeks because the PCVs were back ordered. Funny how they were back ordered when they don't change them. Maybe they had an issue they don't want to admit. Mine was out of warranty, but I had two friends with the same issue. And even though theirs were in warranty, VW wouldn't cover it because they didn't get their oil changed at the dealer. I found this especially hilarious, because the times I did have mine done at the dealer, they gave it back one quart low. I called the service manager and he said, "maybe the mechanic thought it was a 4 cylinder." Of course it said V6 in big silver characters right on the plastic engine cover.

Fast forward to this year, my co-worker bought a new GTI last year, and the entire engine needed to be replace for $12K. Even though it was under warranty, VW wouldn't cover for the same, you guessed it, didn't have the oil changed at the dealer.

I could go on for hours, never mind the recent cheating the codes on the diesels.

I would not buy another Audi (VW) product no matter what!

I understand your skepticism. But my experiences are the counter-opposite to what you describe.

I own an Audi TT (Generation 1) 2005 V6, 3.2L, 250hp.

Note that engine is normally aspirated, not turbo-charged. With 56,000 miles.

I take care myself of all critical fluid and filter changes (not just oil!), not the dealer. And the car drives beautifully. I only take it to the dealer for work that requires one-time, specialized tools. And could not be happier.

On the "Check Engine" light, that is a catch-all alarm, that covers almost all critical elements of the engine, from combustion, cooling, to emissions control. Without reading the computer codes, which is trivial and can be done by you in few minutes, one cannot tell of the source of the malfunction(s).

Sorry to hear about your VW experiences. I cannot speak for the assertion you make that VW is equivalent to Audi. Maybe so, but that is not my experience (I buy Audi OEM parts not VW OEM parts, except for lubricants.) Nonetheless, there is sharing among certain components.

My take is that most cars that were manufactured on the last decade, do require careful maintenance protocols. If you adhere to those protocols, chances are that you will be well served -- that is my experience.
 
All these top end car manufactures built their business on great divers cars and now they don't want us to drive at all. I'm not interested in this rubbish and just think of all the driving jobs like truck drivers who will not be required. Their will be no point in having children as their will be no jobs for them.


From keynote : " 10:50PM EST - 'Let's make sure none of our kids ever have to learn to drive' "

Excuse me? You wanna say this is the direction they wanna take humanity in?

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I'd rather not thank you. Tesla's Autopilot in its current state is about as far as it should go. Driver assisting, not driver replacing.
 
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Don 't blame the device for distracted driving, the motorist is at fault.

Personal responsibility.

Sounds a bit like the argument "Guns don't kill people, people do". How well has that worked out so far?
 
Methinks that self-driving cars are going to be "coming soon" for a long time....

I think that some automakers such as Tesla and Audi are going to prove you wrong. Automated cars are certainly coming soon a lot faster today than they were a couple of years ago.

I wish there was a way to bet in this forum; I'm entirely with theluggage on this one. I'd bet that seeing fully autonomous cars (SAE level 5) are *at least* 10 years away, not 3.

Every time I see an indication to the contrary, I look closer, and the claim falls apart. Take this Audi article, for example. The headline claims Audi will have fully automated cars in 2020. But as I pointed out earlier, that claim is conspicuously absent in the body of the article itself. (Headline writers tend to exaggerate. The body only claims "highly automated". There's a big difference.)

Remember the 80/20 rule; what feels like the last 20% of a project will take 80% of the effort. AI in particular is notorious for taking more effort than people think at first. And are we close to that last 20%? A year ago it was news that Ford was beginning to test their autonomous cars in snow, while Google was getting around to testing their cars in rain. (Rain!)
 
Do you have a car with a backup camera? I recently bought a Subaru Outback with a backup camera and my parallel parking skills have increased at least 400%. I'm overly cautious.
Yeah, she hasn't had the opportunity to use it though. It is missing the guide lines, which may cause an issue for her.
 
I wish there was a way to bet in this forum; I'm entirely with theluggage on this one. I'd bet that seeing fully autonomous cars (SAE level 5) are *at least* 10 years away, not 3.

Every time I see an indication to the contrary, I look closer, and the claim falls apart. Take this Audi article, for example. The headline claims Audi will have fully automated cars in 2020. But as I pointed out earlier, that claim is conspicuously absent in the body of the article itself. (Headline writers tend to exaggerate. The body only claims "highly automated". There's a big difference.)

Remember the 80/20 rule; what feels like the last 20% of a project will take 80% of the effort. AI in particular is notorious for taking more effort than people think at first. And are we close to that last 20%? A year ago it was news that Ford was beginning to test their autonomous cars in snow, while Google was getting around to testing their cars in rain. (Rain!)
I think we're going to have to agree to agree on the technicality of SAE level 5. It may actually be a decade or more before production vehicles with full autonomy appear on our roads. But the day that happens will be nearly indistinguishable from the day that comes before it. Tesla, Audi, Google, and others (maybe even Apple) aren't going to wait that long to get their technology on the streets. By the time drivers are able to get into a car with no steering wheel, or with one that only comes out when a driver wants to control the vehicle (for fun or whatever), many drivers will already be accustomed to cars that do almost all of the driving for them.

I remember the day the last smallpox victim died. Well, I don't remember the actual day, but I remember it being a footnote on a news program. Humans had successfully eradicated a disease from the world's population. Momentous, but on the other hand I had never seen smallpox or had it affect me, other than the inoculation I received. The last case in the US was more than a decade and a half before my birth.
 
Didn't realise Nvidia was a player in this market, let alone a leader. How on earth did they get an edge over Apple with all the cash, talent and other resources it has behind it?

They've at it for quite awhile now. Think about it. All of the computational power needed by an autonomous to make those types of calculations on the fly is right up NVIDIA's alley. I have a friend whose father works for NVIDIA and told me a little bit about what they working on almost 5 years ago. I was shocked at first too.
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For it to be fully auto, all cars on the road would need to talk to each other. It will be a while before that happens. I thInk it would be cool to take a nap on a longer drive, but not with current assistant auto drives.

Why on Earth should all cars on a road need to "talk" to each other to enable autonomous driving? I don't see human drivers talk to each other while driving. You need advanced software that can make sense of all the sensor information, but I doubt that you need some kind of wireless information exchange between cars (that could be hacked and manipulated and just poses a different new kind of unnecessary risk).

And yes, I'd love to sleep in my own car while doing my weekly 600km commute to Munich. I can't sleep while I'm on the train, but maybe I could sleep in a more private surrounding. AUDI is a car manufacturer that I trust -- they wouldn't put something on the market that is not up to the task. When they start selling this technology, it will work and it will be safe to use.
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How many children will be plowed over before this lunacy will stop? How will the AI decide if the child's life is worth it when it might cause an accident to swerve, assuming the car sees the kid in time (known problem with the systems so far). Will the government be actively involved in certifying a system that chooses to run over a toddler "for the greater good"?

Also, how do you tell the car where to park on your driveway, how to avoid flooding, how to navigate tire level obstacles? How to prevent the car from taking you up a road closed in bad weather and stranding you? You hear stories of clueless people following GPS into danger, what happens when the car does it itself and you can't stop it?

Firstly, there will always be a manual override for years to come. And secondly, I'd rather have an AI making such decisions than a drunken driver. The streets WILL be a much safer place once idiots are no longer aloud to steer cars. Imagine that all self-driving cars would perfectly react in time to a child running across the street -- without panicking, without hesitation, without reduced reaction time, making the most use of their "visual" capabilities and not being distracted by some irrelevant advertisement or whatever else they just passed by.

It's not all "I, Robot" and Will Smith playing the traumatized cop who couldn't get over the fact that the machine saved him instead of the drowning kid.

If you're worried about these things, then maybe, just maybe, you should be more worried about your government sanctioning fully automated drones whose sole purpose is to actively make decisions about killing people -- WITHOUT ANY HUMAN INTERACTION.

It's amazing that people have so many doubts about the feasibility of self-driving cars and come up with ethical aspects while the military application of self-flying and autonomously killing drones is already much more advanced. But, yeah. For all we know, Apple isn't in the drone market, so there is not that much news coverage...
 
I only want to say that I am an Audi fan. Here in winter wonderland quattro is nice. Their styling is updated but understated. Their quiet interiors are fantastic. Their tech, however dated, gets the job done after a learning curve. Their non-diesel engines are outstanding. Their quality is improving. I can never afford one. But a self-driving Audi sounds cool and sort of gaming-like fun.
 
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