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Thank you for the explanation, but I'm still looking to understand
how the OS finds the random application installation.

For example, if the application requires a listener (or othe daemon),
how does that get registered with the OS? (I'm familiar with
standard UNIX/Linux mechanisms like init.d/cron, if OSX is
similar.)




Thank you for clarifying my misunderstanding. I've seen the
warnings about problems due to moving applications from the
/Applications folder - but didn't realize that it applied
only to the bundled Apple apps.

Mac OS X has cron. I don't know all of the Unix underpinnings and stuff to know what apps are doing behind the scenes, but I can tell you that you can install apps anywhere you want, but you can't move Apple's apps because Software Update relies on them being in your Applications folder or your Utilities folder.

For example, I have a separate games folder just for games, but it's not in my Applications folder, the game stores game progress inside a folder that's in the individual game folder. Almost all apps store it's settings in the user's Preferences folder. These are just automatically created when you launch the app for the first time and any setting that you apply that differs from the defaults will save in that preference file. If you remove that preference file, the app won't break, but you'll be back to the default settings again.

One thing that's really cool about Mac OS X is that if you're moving existing apps to a fresh install, you can just drag the application's icon over and if you want to keep all the settings for that app, just drag over it's preference file. Usually, when I do a fresh install of an OS, I'll drag over my entire user preferences folder and then I'll copy all the apps that I want.

There's only a few apps that I know of that aren't like this. Adobe apps and Quark. Those apps have to be re-installed because they install supporting files in multiple locations and even copying those doesn't seem to do the trick.

There are other apps that store content beyond the application package too like GarageBand. This is because it stores Sounds, Instruments and Loops in the root Library folder for other apps to use (such as Logic). This way, no matter which user is logged in, they have access to the same sounds and loops. GarageBand stores all of its files in /Library/Audio/.

If you have any more questions, I'll be happy to try to answer them for you.
 
I've owned Macs since the days of the Mac Plus and can remember some real 'butes and some real lemons, but I also know that NO company makes EVERYTHING perfectly (even though some of you out there think they do).

While this is an issue, people I think also need a bit of perspective on the whole.

Personal experience is always anecdotal. Though, the experience I and all of my friends and family have, save one, with the Intel macs is serious enough to prevent me from recomending them to anyone anymore. Apples focus on being the fad of the day is eroding their base. Does Apple care, at all?

Their attitude seam as wise as pissing in the pants to keep warm at winter.
It may be nice, but is it wise?

I've owned Apple computers from "pre-Macs" to pro's, and established several comunities, for free, and now I wonder, is it still the choice for me?
 
I want to thank all of you for bringing this situation to light. You have no idea the relief I am feeling. All this time, when I would watch porn at work, I thought there was some 'screen' capturing program that was sending stuff to my boss. My computer would just slow down. Now I know it's just a bug and I can go back to my porn viewing. Thanks again!!
 
I want to thank all of you for bringing this situation to light. You have no idea the relief I am feeling. All this time, when I would watch porn at work, I thought there was some 'screen' capturing program that was sending stuff to my boss. My computer would just slow down. Now I know it's just a bug and I can go back to my porn viewing. Thanks again!!

Rofl
 
Flash, EyeTV and HTML5 also involved?

I did some tests over the weekend: can anyone with a more thorough knowledge confirm the following?

1) It seems that the temperatures reported with iStat Menu are not accurate, and do not reflect the issue accondingly. I switched to Temperature Monitor, which seems to have more accurate readings. When the issue was present, a spike of +20ºc occured (see attachement for sample).

2) It seems the issue affects ANYTHING that decodes audio - not only playing MP3's with iTunes, but also...
-- Flash web-sites that include any sort of sound and video
-- HTML5 video sites - such as YouTube and Vimeo
-- TV watching with EyeTV, both with 250plus and Hybrid ElGato devices (EDIT: except when muted in the EyeTV screen control)
-- Any media played by Quicktime X, VLC, iTunes, Quicktime 7, Garageband, LogicPro, etc - whether they are audio or video

Can anyone confirm this?

About Flash, I tried to isolate the issue by installing ClickToFlash, and enabling Flash for individual sites. The ones containing pictures only (such as photo galleries) do not raise the issue, while any other site that had audio (whether it was playing or not) did raise it.

So, I guess the issue has to do with the whole Core Audio of OS X in the MacPros... this is huge problem: such expensive "Pro" machine getting all worked up by simple audio/video playback!!! ... which I guess it's the LEAST kind of files used by MacPro owners, who buy these machines to create such media files.

Anyway: hope Apple gets this fixed asap.
 

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I did some tests over the weekend: can anyone with a more thorough knowledge confirm the following?

1) It seems that the temperatures reported with iStat Menu are not accurate, and do not reflect the issue accondingly. I switched to Temperature Monitor, which seems to have more accurate readings. When the issue was present, a spike of +20ºc occured (see attachement for sample).

2) It seems the issue affects ANYTHING that decodes audio - not only playing MP3's with iTunes, but also...
-- Flash web-sites that include any sort of sound and video
-- HTML5 video sites - such as YouTube and Vimeo
-- TV watching with EyeTV, both with 250plus and Hybrid ElGato devices
-- Any media played by Quicktime X, VLC, iTunes, Quicktime 7, Garageband, LogicPro, etc - whether they are audio or video

Can anyone confirm this?

About Flash, I tried to isolate the issue by installing ClickToFlash, and enabling Flash for individual sites. The ones containing pictures only (such as photo galleries) do not raise the issue, while any other site that had audio (whether it was playing or not) did raise it.

So, I guess the issue has to do with the whole Core Audio of OS X in the MacPros... this is huge problem: such expensive "Pro" machine getting all worked up by simple audio/video playback!!! ... which I guess it's the LEAST kind of files used by MacPro owners, who buy these machines to create such media files.

Anyway: hope Apple gets this fixed asap.


Yes its everything AND FW800 devices.

Basically its something to do with the southbridge.
 
Personal experience is always anecdotal.

that statement goes both ways. I myself have owned several macs,both desk and laptop over the years and although some of them were the same models that were allegedly 'defective' I haven't experienced the problems there were so widespread. and in most cases don't know anyone personally that had such problems. and working in the film industry I know a lot of people that use Macs.

so no matter how many blogs and boards claim X, Y or Z is a manufacting defeat, a widespread problem, a QC issue etc, I wanna see real numbers. then I"ll join the bash parties.
 
There's an update available in Software Update. My experience:
Before playing audio: 34 degrees Celsisus
After 3 mins of playing before update: 46 degrees Celsius

Installing update now......
 
I've actually been getting heat/audio problems with my MBP 2.16 GHZ Intel Core 2 Duo for several months now.
 
I've actually been getting heat/audio problems with my MBP 2.16 GHZ Intel Core 2 Duo for several months now.

Not related.

This bug DOES NOT (or DID NOT) effect anything than Macs equipped with the QPI interface which at the moment is only the Mac Pro.
 
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